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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:24 GMT
#909
On September 29 2016 04:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:44 Tictock wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
SEQ/Tictock
Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???


I refuse to believe you have literally no read on me.


That was just the part about D1 interactions with Lunatic. Although I'm not really sure about you either, yet. I'll take a closer look after I'm back after a bit of AFKing

Weird post. You're defending against TT's attack by saying your post was only about a certain part of the game; yet your read on him is actually null so he's actually right.


Just corrected him because he directly quoted my comment about SEQ's D1 stuff.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:27 GMT
#910
On September 29 2016 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:22 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:44 Tictock wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
SEQ/Tictock
Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???


I refuse to believe you have literally no read on me.


That was just the part about D1 interactions with Lunatic. Although I'm not really sure about you either, yet. I'll take a closer look after I'm back after a bit of AFKing

Weird post. You're defending against TT's attack by saying your post was only about a certain part of the game; yet your read on him is actually null so he's actually right.


Just corrected him because he directly quoted my comment about SEQ's D1 stuff.


Besides, I'll point out that no read != nullread.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:30 GMT
#912
On September 29 2016 04:29 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:27 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:24 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:22 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:48 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:44 Tictock wrote:
On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
SEQ/Tictock
Voted for Lunatic, but otherwise ???


I refuse to believe you have literally no read on me.


That was just the part about D1 interactions with Lunatic. Although I'm not really sure about you either, yet. I'll take a closer look after I'm back after a bit of AFKing

Weird post. You're defending against TT's attack by saying your post was only about a certain part of the game; yet your read on him is actually null so he's actually right.


Just corrected him because he directly quoted my comment about SEQ's D1 stuff.


Besides, I'll point out that no read != nullread.

TT sentence is literally "I refuse to believe you have literally no read on me."


And..? I do have a read on him, which is that he's pretty null at the moment. It's not the same as no read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:37 GMT
#913
Rels, what do you even think of Skynx?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:42 GMT
#916
On September 29 2016 04:39 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:37 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, what do you even think of Skynx?

I think he's town. I can follow his entire train of thought for D2 and I believe it is real.


Hm. To me his D2 play looked more like "a case on me? it's not even good? a chance, time to go full OMGUS and never look back!" and that forever after.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:45 GMT
#918
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:48 GMT
#920
On September 29 2016 04:44 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:42 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:39 Rels wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:37 Xatalos wrote:
Rels, what do you even think of Skynx?

I think he's town. I can follow his entire train of thought for D2 and I believe it is real.


Hm. To me his D2 play looked more like "a case on me? it's not even good? a chance, time to go full OMGUS and never look back!" and that forever after.

A case? You mean the sole argument of me trying to prevent Lunatic gettin lynched?


Generally the fact that your interactions with/towards Lunatic were the most scummy on D1, you haven't really done much else (besides pushing DYH and now me), and your OMGUS push on me for the flawed case, without taking anything new into consideration afterwards.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:49 GMT
#921
On September 29 2016 04:47 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid

ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.


It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:54 GMT
#923
On September 29 2016 04:51 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 04:49 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:47 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 04:42 Skynx wrote:
On September 29 2016 03:17 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx's static non-reaction to my biggest contribution so far ("still scum because OMGUS, nothing will ever change that!") makes me quite sure that he has to be scum.

If you're still not convinced, read this with some thought and then look at Skynx's filter:

On September 29 2016 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Skynx
Soft-defended Lunatic, ignored him or counter-pushed away from him on several occasions during D1 (see ptmc's eventlist for easy details, just search for "Skynx" lines in red text, or read his filter). Never pressured Lunatic or contributed to his lynch either (no, the one-liner "Lunatic had the worst intro post I guess" didn't impact his own or anyone else's play during D1). A Lunatic/Skynx scumteam makes the most sense to me.


I commented on your push and why it was crap and why it made you scum. Your comment on it pretty much ignored everything I put on the table and just said OMGUS. Therefore you painting me as "static non-reaction" is just hilarious.

Do you have Holyflare coach? + Show Spoiler +
<3


Holyflare?

I agree I presented your filter's ugly truths badly earlier, but it doesn't make me scum. The core of my suspicion on you came from reading ptmc's list of your actions on D1, which were about all scum-aligned. I should have just listed those, but for some reason I went looking for additional things that weren't very damning. Keep it simple, stupid

ptmc's list was good, but I already addressed those. They weren't OMGUS at all, you seem to be the only one thinking so anyway.


It is OMGUS if the only reason to push someone is that they pushed you.

It's the reasons behind your push that I pushed you, which were nada other than me/Lunatic association as it has been mentioned a million times. I guess we just agree to disagree.


Well, it's pretty much the same as the case on DYH, plus a stronger association with Lunatic than DYH and minus your more active attitude compared to him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 19:55 GMT
#924
Active not being necessarily good, since it's been focused for Lunatic and against me, so pro-scum and anti-town...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:08 GMT
#929
There's also the scumlean on DanelerH for his case on Lunatic. It's just a pool of circumstantial evidence.

Do you think DYH looks worse than you on association or do you think the other points against him (disinterest to scumhunt etc.) are just strong enough?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:12 GMT
#930
On September 29 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote:
Hey you know what, I'm just gona vote DYH cuz if i don't maybe Xata will accuse me of trying to save him by voting xata tomorrow lul


Add "vote for me or Xata" and I'm content.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:15 GMT
#931
Where did everyone go though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:17 GMT
#933
On September 29 2016 05:02 Jealous wrote:
I won't be around for EoD because I'm stuck in the lab. Here's what I'm thinking so far:

1. Xata: Although he put in effort and produced some content, as I was reading it I realized I wasn't agreeing with some key points in it, mostly his team associations and rationale. I was expecting to read through the post and glean something new from another perspective, but for the most part I feel that he just repeated the same reads he's had for a while in a different way with better formatting. His completely forgetting ptmc is curious as he referenced him within the same post, which isn't really saying anything AI but speaks of how thoroughly he has gone through the thread while making this list. He is still intent on Skynx, still doesn't want to give me much credit for pushing Luna, and failed to arrive at anything definitive. He has 2 scumreads but says they can't be on a team together?

2. Skynx: I'm actually really liking his list of reads right now. I wouldn't put Xata in the conf.scum category quite yet. I find Stutters and DYH to be much worse. What is more important for me is that he is showing what I find to be a more realistic view of the game so far, better than he did a few pages/days ago when I would look at some of his read s and go "huh?" I fear there might be a decent possibility that him vs. Xata is TvT but I'm not yet convinced. Either way, I wouldn't lynch Xata today. Skynx moves a little closer to a town lean for me.

3. I still dislike Stutters greatly. Maybe even more so than DYH, but that might be a chronological bias since I've seen more said about him recently and no words out of his mouth about it. The defense of Stutters seems to hinge on one post of Lunatic's, which I don't find to be a very good thing to put our money on. A person. Who could fuck up D1 so royally could fuck up more than once.

I am tempted to switch to Stutters, but I'll keep my money on DYH since I read into his filter more and thus won't be taking someone else's word for it.

Scummy af: DYH, Stutters
Nullish: Scott, Skynx, Xata
Town of varying degrees: everyone else

I have the paranoid suspicion that one of our trusted townies might be a bussing scum but I've learned to fight through that paranoia and focus on the tangible until my current scumlist is settled.

See y'all after work.


At least you read it

Which team suggestions did you disagree with? If you have good points, I'll gladly keep them in mind.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:19 GMT
#935
On September 29 2016 05:16 Rels wrote:
I'm here but my vote is not moving unless DYH magically becomes extremely townie


Hm.

Shenanigans are always fun, don't you agree?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:20 GMT
#936
DYH does have an okay chance of flipping scum so it's not the worst result, I guess...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:22 GMT
#938
On September 29 2016 05:18 Tictock wrote:
Humm, I kinda get a TvT vibe from this skynx v xata stuff. Not sure if I trust that just yet though.

I'm probably not going to invest a bunch of time into this atm. I think we are in a solid place.

Will check in after this next dungeon run in WoW, there might be something I need to look into.


[image loading]

Only thing I could think of at first.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:23 GMT
#939
On September 29 2016 05:21 Calix wrote:
Hell no we're not doing CFDs.

Also hi.


Hi.

Did you read my post yet?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:24 GMT
#942
On September 29 2016 05:23 Calix wrote:
How can he be the 'not worst result' when he's one of your scum-reads? O_o Like who gives a shit if you got two scum-reads strung up and neither of them are around to do anything, then that's an A* scenario right there.

I for one am psyched that people are wising up to scum!Stutters.


Basically because he's prolly not scum with Skynx, or anyone else for that matter (except maybe with scott) so Skynx seems like the safer bet.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:25 GMT
#943
On September 29 2016 05:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 05:19 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:16 Rels wrote:
I'm here but my vote is not moving unless DYH magically becomes extremely townie


Hm.

Shenanigans are always fun, don't you agree?

Fun, yeah. Efficient, not really.




"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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