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Calix
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Stutters695
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On September 26 2016 23:53 Stutters695 wrote: 1) I'm town 2) if I was scum and Luna said that, I would have slapped some rockets on and bussed him straight to the moon. 3) I don't get mislynched unless I'm straight afk essentially. Just saying | ||
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Stutters695
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On October 02 2016 05:33 Calix wrote: I don't follow your town-read on Xatalos. Care to explain there? I'm not going to quote everything because 12pg filterand I'm dead anyway but: 12pg filter His initial reactions at the start to me were incredibly town Outside of his scunteam speculation post, I've been able to follow his reasoning throughout the game. Pick a random page and I'd bet it stands out as town. | ||
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Calix
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Activity is not alignment-indicative. Why would you being dead mean you put less effort in? If I was in your shoes then I would imagine that I'd be putting in more effort because I wouldn't ever have to after today. | ||
Xatalos
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First of all, I don't really know his meta/playstyle. Just looking at this game, though, there are a couple of things which made me lean town on him initially: 1) Careless posting style - the way he entered the thread was sure to attract attention, and not in a positive way - attention that would put him under the spotlight and make it harder for him to push any sort of scum agenda freely. When I imagine a typical scum opening post, it would be safe and blend in with the surroundings. The way stutters entered the game was nothing like that. 2) General lack of care for what others thought of him - I don't think I saw one post from him that felt like he was "posting for the sake of posting / looking better". His posts were a bit controversial all around during D1. 3) Of course, Lunatic's flip made stutters look quite a bit better as well. It would be extremely stupid for scum (Lunatic) to just casually townread his teammate for no good reason. After all, scum would want to distance themselves from each other appearance-wise, while perhaps subtly helping each other through their actions. But what Lunatic did achieved neither - it just put pressure/attention on them both and didn't help stutters in any way either. Occam's razor says it should be just scum giving a townread on some townie to blend in and perhaps pocket said townie. Now we get to the "secret" part. Unfortunately, I'm far less confident in this theory now than I was earlier today. In any case, here it is. First of all, this post made me think of something: On September 27 2016 00:01 Stutters695 wrote: Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to type some stuff up. Usually I would wait until EoD, but I work before then so I'll just throw it out. You guys will be like "wow, he does things and they make some sense, this dude is probably town." Just know you're cutting into my Overwatch time and that makes me sad. I have 100% confidence I won't be lynched. Who would have the most confidence in not being lynched? A blue player of course. Perhaps a VT/scum with some huge confidence, but it didn't seem like stutters was capable of that sort of extreme feats to clear himself just through his play. Why even say this as VT or especially scum? It would just put more pressure on himself to perform and make things harder for himself in the following days. The only time I've said something like this, I've been blue (2 times I've said a similar line AFAIK and I was blue both times). I'm pretty sure I've also seen another player saying this as blue. A situation where a scum said this doesn't come to my mind. Moving on... Considering stutters' play as a whole, he seemed to follow the thread very closely (even pointing out short sentences in long posts such as the Jealous thing), but didn't explain his thoughts too much. From scum, I would expect the opposite (not being very interested in what's actually happening but trying to make a good appearance). Whereas for blue play, it would make absolute sense (being extremely interested in small details going on in the game, but not daring to say much in order to avoid being shot). Granted, stutters seems to have been AFK for quite a while in between, but the times he was actively reading the thread he didn't post very much either. So, why reveal all this now? Because the whole theory largely came crumbling down after he said this: A blue would never say this. At least I would never say it as blue. So... He's either VT/scum or in an extremely WIFOMy mood. But I think VT is more likely since scum would have little motivation to say something like this either. Like... what would scum have to lose by having me say something "damaging for town"? It just makes no sense to reject that development. For all he knows, I might have been preparing to say a green-check on him or something (let's consider the scenario where he was Godfather and I was saying that I had "secret evidence" of him being town - who the hell scum would reject me saying it out loud in that situation?). So, as scum, it would be extremely foolish to make that post. That's it. He's probably not blue after all, but more likely town than scum still. | ||
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Xatalos
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Stutters695
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On October 02 2016 05:44 Calix wrote: The bulk of your defense is self-meta which is flawed because you are aware of said meta. Activity is not alignment-indicative. Why would you being dead mean you put less effort in? If I was in your shoes then I would imagine that I'd be putting in more effort because I wouldn't ever have to after today. Because there isn't enough time. My argument is, I'm not this bad, just inactive. Obviously it's not a great point, but what can you do. | ||
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Calix
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Excuse me for a moment, I need to lie down. | ||
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Tictock
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![[image loading]](http://m.memegen.com/bpbgk6.jpg) + Show Spoiler + I feel like i heard that one before... On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing. Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good. Tell me more about these amazing meta-reads. | ||
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Xatalos
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Stutters695
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Calix
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Xatalos' post boils down to tone, attitude and associations which aren't terrible reasons actually, but the first half of that post didn't need to be hidden. That TPR part is literally Lunatic 2.0. At least this time, I can see why someone would conclude that he's a TPR from his posts although I think that's just Stutters being cocky. I think Rels came to a similar conclusion re: Stutters being a TPR. | ||
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Xatalos
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On October 02 2016 06:03 Calix wrote: Can we let the meta thing die? That Xat/ Stutters comment has been inflated to legendary proportions. Xatalos' post boils down to tone, attitude and associations which aren't terrible reasons actually, but the first half of that post didn't need to be hidden. That TPR part is literally Lunatic 2.0. At least this time, I can see why someone would conclude that he's a TPR from his posts although I think that's just Stutters being cocky. I think Rels came to a similar conclusion re: Stutters being a TPR. The earlier part of my post had been already written in my filter, maybe not as neatly collected. "Cocky" doesn't really explain the rest apart from his "I'll never be lynched" moment. | ||
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Calix
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Xatalos
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It's in the past regardless since he's almost certainly not a blue after all. | ||
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Stutters695
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Xatalos
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On October 02 2016 06:14 Stutters695 wrote: At this point if I was a blue I would have claimed it to not get lynched or at least trade with the cc. Yeah, that's true too. I thought you might be hiding it until closer to deadline earlier today, but now it would have certainly been the time to claim. (by the way, I once refused to claim as Cop as the leading wagon until there was only 30min until lynch - the funny thing is, I was just getting ready to claim when one of the scumsters slipped - bagging us a scum lynch without me having to claim!) | ||
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