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On August 29 2016 17:10 disformation wrote: can you explain your RB scum read for me? Not really. I just found the TW + Koshi read so bad I think one of those is mafia and it isn't me. | ||
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The really good stuff. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:22 disformation wrote: also: without any explanation whatsoever. what do you think about that vt flavor thing he started out with? goddamn that was him. Ok, that is a bit problematic. Ok let's keep him at null then.  The only way I can see mafia do that is if there actually is VT flavor in the QT and he wanted to be brave. But I doubt it because all the roles are in the OP. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:35 Trfel wrote: Koshi, what do you think of geript? Looked like way too much text to come from mafia. If he keeps it up like that we won't have a problem. Didn't read it line per line but it felt like it had game solving ideas in it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:42 Palmar wrote: This is not true and you know it's not true. It is true and I know it is true. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote: But you're meant to be like... not awful. Such is my burden, I must decide who is awful and who is mafia. I recommend you call me town because that's really helpful to me. I'll call you town when you are town. Currently you are null leaning null. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote: TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar. And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz! Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town. Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that. I really liked that extra dimension read he had on TW. Showed he is thinking about the game and not pretending to think about the game. atm one of the most townie people. | ||
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Other than that I am pretty ok with geript atm. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:06 Palmar wrote: How do you not agree with that. Actually, better yet: Draw me up a scenario where RB is mafia and posts that comment. Explain his thought process. (was he aware of all role pms being in the OP? Did he plan the comment to get town cred, anticipating a reaction like mine?) Explain exactly what happened in his head as mafia that caused him to make that post, and I'll accept that he can be mafia. I meant I didn't agree with how geript came to this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. to this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. RB being in his scumlist was off. Other than that. I can see how he came to his reads. | ||
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from this: to this: | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:26 Palmar wrote: And yes Koshi, that is hilariously backwards. He literally agreed with my towntell and then called the guy scum. It's geript lynching time now. Tumblewood wagon best wagon. | ||
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On August 29 2016 20:01 Race Bannon wrote: Anyway, @Koshi does it n any way influence your read of Tumblewood that he told DanelerH not to put too much weight on contribution .. when you yourself made an aegument that geript's posts were more likely to come from town because of their volume? No he is still lock mafia. And I agree that volume alone is not enough to townread or scumread somebody, but it is a good metric to start somewhere. Especially on D1 the people with the most pages tend to be town. While people who have a lower amount of posts than normal are more likely mafia. The easiest way to find mafia D1 is to look at people who jump at every possibility they get to make a "good post" about somebody who did something remotely scummy but then forget about that read 2 secs later. | ||
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On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment. Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team. Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads. So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff. So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played: - no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics. - no committment to what he said. - liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash. - + one could go on about finding similarities. Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia. THE CASE ON SCOTT ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/56/c4/5156c4785945c90f11b36d97ed244d0c.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1VI11KXvGKZ8c/200_s.gif) + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote: Woohoo! Let's do this. Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM? Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested. Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check. Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once. Low committment to his declared opinion. Check. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. Random low seriousness post. Check. On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote: So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here) and the other he starts just talking shit Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks. This could be a good idea. Just for fun he checks Rels last two games. He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded. "Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT "Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk. Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check. On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote: He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier. Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check. On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote: This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again? Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check. On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote: Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check. On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote: Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.  Could you tell me more? Random question. On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote: DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone? Useless question. On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote: Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland. COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment? On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote: Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts? Random questions. On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote: Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else? Random questions. Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope . Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town  So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler + 0 Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game. tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote: The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. Even though this is just a rehearsing of what I said and everything I say should be taken as it came from Jeebus himself. (also I am confirmed God). I disagree it makes geript lock mafia. Except for the RB read I can find myself in geripts reads. 1 bad read doesn't make somebody mafia. | ||
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