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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 08 2016 14:39 GMT
#29
On August 08 2016 23:05 disformation wrote:
Hm, fair enough. Let me think about it a tad.


+1
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 10 2016 11:26 GMT
#52
On August 09 2016 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
There isn't anyone in here likely to specifically make a game unfun for me so may as well give it a try, right?


You're not alone, pretty much the exact reason I've been hesitant to join. There's one individual that's given me (BM, not gameplay) serious problems on a consistent basis and I don't want to stay in if he signs up after me (which is what happened last time, he grabbed the last spot and I couldn't out), so I'm going to deliberately wait until signups close to join.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 11:45:12
August 10 2016 11:43 GMT
#54
But seeing as disformation is now in, let's hope I will be too when signups close.

[image loading]

For you disformation, since I know you like chocolate AND waffles
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 12:45 GMT
#654
Boom, I'm here, and I'm town.

I have a 15-hour day at work (don't ask please, it's beyond frustrating), but I should be able to split two 45 minute breaks to play this game. Possibly an extra hour when I get home before I crash. Let's see what I can do here.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 12:48 GMT
#661
First question, or if someone can direct me to the answer if it's buried somewhere in the 33 pages, do we know if presidential powers are pro or anti-town (this will help me get more information/reads if this is the case, but I'm going to scum hunt like normal today).

Pages 7-8/opening, only things that jump out to me are Tumblewood possibly being third party, and Koshi a town lean based on his intro.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 12:56 GMT
#675
iamperfection (post 184, page 10) why are you deducing that Tumblewood is anti-town third party at the beginning of the game? Where did that come from, based on what he posted?

Grackaroni and Vivax townleans for trying to dissect Tumble's alignment/reconciling with IAP (pages 10-11).

Not sure I like IAP's posting so far (after filtering him), but I'll make a more solid judgement when he posts more.

Still on page 12.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 12:59 GMT
#677
Possible scumreads through page 12:

GlowingBear - there's talk of mechanics, I'm looking for what he normally does as town, usually tries to fish for information and gets reads off the stuff he tries to bait through but so far no followup. will update as necessary.

Kitaman - lots of talk about mechs so far but no reads. Also I recall from PYP Keirathi made an accurate read on him, him talking at people and not talking to people is mafia-indicative for him, and that's what I'm seeing so far with him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:12 GMT
#685
So reading through, I'm seeing a lot of election/mechs comments from people but most of it is stuff that could come from either alignment. Koshi is the only one that appears to be using the discussion to try and get a framework together for solving the game.

Also agreed with this post:
On August 16 2016 17:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 17:20 Superbia wrote:
Yup. This.

I'd prefer to have leaders in both nationalities who:
- Are town
- Do not have anti-nationality agendas.

I'm Soviet town and my objectives have nothing anti-America. I prefer to work together so town gets a victory and I get the maximum points. Nationality be damned.

You seem like a cool guy. Belgium endorses your campaign.


On page 17 still, hopefully Superbia has more content that can help me more confidently read him as town. Him putting himself out there for coalition building is a town tell, like he has little to be afraid of atm.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:14 GMT
#687
On August 16 2016 22:06 disformation wrote:
GB was super meh/low active/not doing much in his last town game, that just ended like 2 days ago. So I am not sure how to read him atm.


Remember NSM18? He's popping in and out and drawing mafia into reaction tests from what would seem like pointless shit. It's lacking in here, I'm looking in and out through 13-14. Nothing to change my read on him through page 17.

Also aside from Superbia do you have any reads from early activity?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:31 GMT
#716
Fabian is almost certainly scum, reading through page 21, I am aware he posted reads in response to my question, Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from him as I'm catching up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:32 GMT
#719
On August 16 2016 22:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Fabian is almost certainly scum, reading through page 21, I am aware he posted reads in response to my question, Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from him as I'm catching up.


EBWOP Fabian = disformation

Second sentence - Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from disformation as I'm catching up.

/end derp.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:37 GMT
#724
On August 16 2016 22:31 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Fabian is almost certainly scum, reading through page 21, I am aware he posted reads in response to my question, Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from him as I'm catching up.

OMGUS
hts scum.


Aimed and you and other players not familiar with my play, mechanics discussions are generally discussions that can come from either alignment. Koshi is the only one in the thick of the discussion trying to put together what could be a pro-town agenda. (that and other tells)

If you're town and have to keep your intentions hidden due to secondary objectives that's fine, it just means you might have a tougher time getting townread.

People who have played with me a bit more will know my response better in large themed games but in themed games, mechanics are not my strength to work with so I generally prefer to scumhunt first/play mafia before thinking through with mechs. I can't trust anyone who just discusses mechanics his first 20-odd posts of the game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:39 GMT
#727
On August 16 2016 22:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:31 Half the Sky wrote:
Fabian is almost certainly scum, reading through page 21, I am aware he posted reads in response to my question, Vivax disagreed with them, but I'm not seeing town behaviour from him as I'm catching up.

explain to me why because I don't understand it.


Think I ninjaed your post but when I was catching up through post 20 I'm seeing posts about elections, mechs, money, whatever but not much in the realm of scum hunting. If there's something in the mechs that is jumping out or inherently towny then someone point that out to me because it's not readily apparent to me.

He has posted a set of reads so this read can change, similar issue to what I'm seeing with Kitaman when he was posting earlier.

If he has posted anything more towny I will certainly acknowledge it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:41 GMT
#732
On August 16 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
HTS what did you think of onegu launching the missle at superbia?


I'm not there yet. I had a town lean on Superbia, and I agreed with Onegu's initial scumread of GB but several had already chimed in on that. I'll follow up with whatever led to that if I had a take on it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:44 GMT
#737
On August 16 2016 22:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:39 Damdred wrote:
HTS what did you think of onegu launching the missle at superbia?


I'm not there yet. I had a town lean on Superbia, and I agreed with Onegu's initial scumread of GB but several had already chimed in on that. I'll follow up with whatever led to that if I had a take on it.


lel page 21.

Just saw it now.

Okay, didn't like it. Superbia not reading the thread could be from either alignment. HF saying "don't vote Superbia" could simply mean "don't vote him because he's uninformed" not because he's scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:52 GMT
#751
On August 16 2016 22:17 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:14 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 16 2016 22:06 disformation wrote:
GB was super meh/low active/not doing much in his last town game, that just ended like 2 days ago. So I am not sure how to read him atm.


Remember NSM18? He's popping in and out and drawing mafia into reaction tests from what would seem like pointless shit. It's lacking in here, I'm looking in and out through 13-14. Nothing to change my read on him through page 17.

Also aside from Superbia do you have any reads from early activity?

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 20:47 disformation wrote:
town: superbia, luna, koshi
town lean: hf, art

!town: oneg

I also think that prolly one of the guys running for us president is scum. aka one of gb, tw, grack. but that is more of a gut guess

not sure what you mean by early activity, but these are my reads atm.


Followup question -

I just went through Artanis' filter. It reads like a bunch of troll for the most part.

Where are you (disformation) getting the town lean on him from?

Additionally, this is also a bad read for prplhz:

On August 16 2016 21:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think prplhz is mafia.
He is wordy. Normally he isn't wordy. That is the extent of my read.


I've been on a mafia team with prplhz and I've played various games with him as town. He broke meta in the game we were scummates on as together but generally when I've seen him as scum he doesn't do much; as town he's a bit more vocal, I recall in a newbie he was trying to lead town in lylo.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:53 GMT
#753
On August 16 2016 22:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:42 disformation wrote:
Like I have a set of reads I am pretty confident in. Maybe I should give GB a scum lean. Out of the ppl running for the USA election he is def. the most scummiest. And I guess at least one scummer is trying to get that job.


Seems like something you want to do out of thread pressure and not own volition.

Ergo pretty scummy


+1
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 13:59 GMT
#763
On August 16 2016 22:54 Lunaticman wrote:
Half what nationality are you?


Europe. *shrug*

If I had to vote for a US president this moment btw, I think Grack/Tumblewood would be my top choices, because I don't really like the rest atm. Holyflare I might need to re-read his filter to see if he's using mechs discussion to the benefit of town - Koshi I was able to figure this out in one post, where as Holyflare is a spammer.

I have to stop at bottom of page 26 though. I need to get back to work :/
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 14:02 GMT
#768
On August 16 2016 23:01 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:59 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 16 2016 22:54 Lunaticman wrote:
Half what nationality are you?


Europe. *shrug*

If I had to vote for a US president this moment btw, I think Grack/Tumblewood would be my top choices, because I don't really like the rest atm. Holyflare I might need to re-read his filter to see if he's using mechs discussion to the benefit of town - Koshi I was able to figure this out in one post, where as Holyflare is a spammer.

I have to stop at bottom of page 26 though. I need to get back to work :/


What about Soviet?


I am fairly sure you are town, and I can't read Chez worth anything, so I'd say you.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
August 16 2016 15:58 GMT
#927
I have a few minutes to breathe so I'll try and add a few things.

I feel better about Kitaman as town after reading these posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 16 2016 22:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 19:37 Palmar wrote:
The following candidates are running for the President of the United States
  • Grackaroni
  • Glowingbear
  • Tumblewood
  • Disformation
  • Holyflare

Voting is already underway!

The following candidates are running for General Secretary of the Communist Party
  • Chezinu
  • Superbia


HF or Tumblewood seem like best bet for President....maybe disfo on an outside chance if those two look terrible by the end of the day. HF has said a few things that mimic what I'm thinking mechanic wise. He's also a fairly competent person to have some type of kp or protective power granted to him. Tumble seems likely to be town from that initial spat of stuff, but not 100% on that yet. The rest are mostly focused on election and stuff.

For Soviets I'd say superbia is the better vote, but having him receive the power and then getting nuked would kinda be a waste. One thing I've been thinking about is if maybe onegu nuked superbia to guarantee that his scum buddy chez got elected since the nuke would dissuade votes from the only alternative.


On August 16 2016 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Leaning scum on onegu, GB, sicklucker.

Onegu claims he is fairly certain GB is scum and then nukes superbia out of the blue after people call him out for the chinese thing which makes him look really scummy.

GB's only real post aside from his election talk is a self-defense post, which comes off bad. I seem to remember something similar with a mafia mayor election from him in a past game. I gotta double check the database though when I have a chance.

SL seems like he was given the suggestion to lay low in a mafia qt or something. I think town SL would be way less concerned about playing careful or getting nuked.

I didn't like that Vivax went out of his way to disagree with my voting plan when there really isn't a downside to the extra information, even if it doesn't pan out in the end. He never explained why it was too complex when asked. His most recent post about disfo just a couple minutes ago makes me like him slightly more, because I was thinking the exact same thing.

Arta kinda rubs me the wrong way with his initial few posts so I'll bring him up for good measure.


On August 16 2016 23:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 23:02 Vivax wrote:
Your plan is pointless, everyone can lie about their nationality, we will never discover the motivations for why someone would lie until we see flips from either them or the presidents.


I have no reason to lie about my nationality, do you? We essentially announce ahead of time (right now) that anyone who lies about their vote will be assumed mafia. That even discourages people with alternate win conditions or whatever from lying because they know they will be punished for lying in the thread.

Then once we get the results, we can learn if someone lied about their vote. It doesn't matter if the president that gets elected is town or mafia because only mafia would have the motivation to say they are supporting one candidate and then secretly voting another.

Plus it makes people have to take a stance in the thread during a cycle where we don't get the information from a lynch. The vote is really the only alignment indicative info we have on day one, aside from the random nuke or something. Sure, player A can call player B scum, but without a lynch or anything to enforce it, it is pretty empty.


On August 16 2016 23:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Who has real reasons why disinformation is mafia? I don't believe he is mafia for setup talk. Also the fact he can vote 3 times for himself and his power makes him more powerful means that either the rest of the USA is town or mafia get a free president. Especially if they can buy another vote through another member and everything is secret.


I think this post was his worst so far.
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2016 22:42 disformation wrote:
Like I have a set of reads I am pretty confident in. Maybe I should give GB a scum lean.



It was apparent when I brought him up last but I also don't like Artanis this game.

Also disformation, I have no idea why you had been townreading Artanis. Checked the latter's filter and other than saying my read is bad, there's nothing else that points to him as towny in there.
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