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14 ppl left. Really need to find time to reread filters tomorrow. Paranoia time. | ||
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QTs Yes. Again. Cause it worked so good last time. Remember my QT snippets? Look at this one again: QT 2: "I wonder if we can convince everyone to elect a dead man. Not sketchy at all, right? XD" "/m174 It was a huge coincidence, I never thought there would be bananas in the game" "Yeah that one isn't me, though there may be another German player around. I have a secondary condition for leading Europe to Democracy, so I assume there is a fascist counterpart. I guess that makes sense thematically if they have some type of nazi power." Timeline:
At that time only scum could have known that Trfel will def. die to the fox squad! Also: On August 21 2016 01:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Trfel is one of the few people that uses XD so I think he's likely in the QT 1 thing too. Problem there is that QT 2 has it as well. Makes me wonder if QT 2 and QT 1 come from the same QT. Given it has at least 174 posts I would venture to say they might both be from the mafia QT. Do we know who was in QT 2? So I think the first guy in QT2 has a pretty high chance of being Trfel himself. Then D3 something very funny happened: On August 22 2016 13:49 GlowingBear wrote: Did kita tell you that we are in a QT? Because we are On August 22 2016 22:07 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah GB and I have been part of a QT since day 1. Holyflare joined for 24 hours before he was shot by Skynx. We were the people talking about the democracy/fascism stuff in disfo's QT 2. We essentially stopped talking like 5 days ago. We aren't confirmed to each other (which should be obvious considering that I've had GB on my mafia list for a while now). There hasn't been a lot said, aside from sharing a few reads on day one and a bit about his election powers. GB was actually the person who told me to post the banana in the thread to confirm that I was really kita. He claims it was a coincidence, but I have a hard time believing that. On August 23 2016 11:54 GlowingBear wrote: Btw kita is 100% msfia Let's take a look at that again: On August 22 2016 22:07 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah GB and I have been part of a QT since day 1. Holyflare joined for 24 hours before he was shot by Skynx. We were the people talking about the democracy/fascism stuff in disfo's QT 2. We essentially stopped talking like 5 days ago. We aren't confirmed to each other (which should be obvious considering that I've had GB on my mafia list for a while now). There hasn't been a lot said, aside from sharing a few reads on day one and a bit about his election powers. GB was actually the person who told me to post the banana in the thread to confirm that I was really kita. He claims it was a coincidence, but I have a hard time believing that. Kita you could have mentioned that Trfel was in there, too... Because I really really don't think the first QT post is from either you, GB or HF (not to mention HF was pretty much dead at that time)... and I don't think either of you had any reason to try and pretend to be Trfel in there either. So. Kita is pretty much 100% confirmed lying about the QT situation and has a very high chance of having been in a QT with trfel... | ||
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On August 25 2016 03:21 kitaman27 wrote: lol disfo I'm not talking about trfel there and trfel was not in the QT with me. The quote there is in reference to HolyFlare. HolyFlare, GB, and I all share a secondary win condition to get ourselves elected. HF died on day one so I made a joke about whether or not we could get him elected as a dead man. Besides, it's obviously not the mafia QT because GB has already flipped. On August 16 2016 23:14 kitaman27 wrote: lol I swear we always have really similar reads every game we play, but then are always are suspicious of each other at the same time XD On August 17 2016 07:43 kitaman27 wrote: lol those results XD Makes sense to compile an american vote count for the sake of knowing what we are dealing with. GB and chez should be as transparent as possible with their powers.....assuming they received any. so it is not a trfel only thing. But werent you just suggesting that the flips have been altered? Now you are 100% that GB is town. Paranoia level rising. Time for some filters Tumblewood Once had a problem with him over the QT stuff, but that was probably just me being paranoid. Didn't have much impact this game, but other than that I like his filter. Decent reads, Scum rating: low Questions @ Tumblewood: You seem to to have TR on Rels or at least believe his 3P claim. Can you elaborate on that read? Rels Does nothing and claims 3P survivor when questioned about doing nothing. Does not directly claim, but needs a little push here, too. That was D2. Why no claim 3P survivor D1? Bunch of bleh posts and sheeping the same wrong reads as everyone D2. Suddenly starts playing D3 in the factory game. OMGUSES on SL, but that kinda makes sense as survivor. Then there is this: Which worries me a bit... could he be scum knowing that a lot of town will die and trying to win more here? On the other hand that also kinda makes sense as 3P survivor. On the other hand holding the door makes no sense as a 3P survivor or scum for that matter. Has a few reads/posts I kinda like D3 though. Not sure if I want to trust him, we should make him use his RB for something D4. Scum rating: medium Luna Pretty mehish lists D1. A few strange tinfoils about the game. I actually like those, kinda think it is hard to come up with such stuff as scum. E.g. space invasions, hillary being in the game etc. Him really not liking nukes also makes me more inclined to think he is town favoured. Transparent with his Soviet gains. Has a few "strange" posts, but I think that is NAI for him. That being said, I don't think I am very good at reading this guy, so other opinions are greatly appreciated. Though I am pretty confused about his role and powers. Like he seems to have a fuckton of gold, know stuff about the environment and was able to invade russia? Scum rating: low-medium Questions @ Luna: Who of the town leaders is in your opinion most likely to be scum? Why? Kurumi Has some anti-american and revolutionist talk at the start of the game: On August 17 2016 11:32 Kurumi wrote: I hate Americans more than you do, mate, so take a chill gulp of vodka. How about a round of friendly blackjack, huh? We might have a revolution or two to talk over. Page one of his filter has basically nothing. He has a fairly brash tone to him, slightly less like to be scum for that. D3 he gets into a little argument with me, continuing with the brash tone. Also brings up a decent point about his actions: On August 24 2016 00:37 Kurumi wrote: so let me get this straight you believe im mafia and i shot a guy who was getting nuked reason being? explain it to me in case you dont believe me, the post clearly says Onegu was strangled guess what, I strangle people I have a hard time figuring out how the stuck in space and (not) blowing up the moon stuff fits with the anti-american stuff he posted D1. He also never even once responds to the gulag break-in, break-out. On August 18 2016 05:39 Damdred wrote: A rogue kgb agent has just emailed me the footage of the breakout (which seems to be successful) Shape was rescued by someone who was identified as dickbutt mcdick Upon further studies it seems to be kurumi Also not many reads and figuring out stuff. Like it does not make incredible sense for him to be scum, but there are a lot of points that make it difficult for me to trust him. Scum rating: Medium Questions @ Kurumi: Can you tell us more about the role? WTF happend with the gulag break-in, break-out? Current reads? Mankita See first part of this post for some recent stuff. So. I am on page 3 of his filter and it is a lot of questions leading not far and mechanic/organization talk. Then this list appears (colors added by me): On August 17 2016 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: Haven't bothered with filter dives yet, but aside from maybe 1 afk straggler, the mafias are in here. Onegu prplhz Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Dandel Ion Shapelog GlowingBear iamperfection sicklucker Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu I'll see if I can narrow this down a bit more and come up with a top 3 or something. For some weird reason I have a feeling that this list does not contain a single scummer, but only town and 3P. On August 17 2016 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: We should probably use the Fox News power on Onegu.[...] Suggests using Fox on Onegu. On August 19 2016 07:50 kitaman27 wrote: ##I announce my candidacy for the Chancellor of Europe I promise to be completely transparent with all my actions as Chancellor. If I'm able to share my election choices with the thread before choosing, I'll definitely do so. Otherwise I'll go with the most pro-town option like a lynch or public dt check. I also get a bonus power if elected, similar to Obama's NSA quicktopic spy bonus power, so that would swell to obtain. Vote for Kita ^_^ What was that bonus again? He never explained it. He was open with the choices and chose a pro town mechanic, but at this point he kinda had to, after seeing how much shit GB got for his choice. Than a huge lot of D3 mechanics and organizing. He also came up with the kill list. I am def. getting a lot of paranoia vibes here. We also know jack about kita's role. We only know that he has role that is German, but only from the QT. A lot of his filter looks like doing stuff. But in the end his lists kinda come outta nowhere and it is hard to see how most of his reads evolve. Like I am not sure how he got from the previous read list I posted to: On August 19 2016 06:39 kitaman27 wrote: Here is where I'm at right now. Really Town Half the Sky Koshi Disformation Tumblewood kitaman27 Mostly Townie Skynx Damdred Dandel Ion Fecalfeast No Clue Kurumi Stutters695 Trfel Rels sicklucker Shapelog Kinda scummy, but less so than group below Artanis[Xp] Lunaticman Meapak_Ziphh Probably Mafia GlowingBear iamperfection prplhz Chezinu E.g. no clue how/why dandel moved from the scum to mostly town. Yeah. There are a bunch of points that look real sketch here. It is a bit of tinfoil/paranoia. But I think town needs paranoia. Kita suggesting that there is a janitor and we actually got scum is exactly trying to prevent that. It is pure mechanically WIFOM trying to prevent town from being to paranoid. But my reads flow like water. Scum rating: High Stutters His filter looks super hard like 3P survivor. Like the only contribution in his filter is the thing with GB's birth certificate. Other than that he only agrees with Damdy on shooting GB and meekly agrees with Kita just after I post the QT thing. Interesting timing there. Ask yourself: what is he trying to achieve this game? Well, he is def. not solving anything here. The bits about his role being as good dead: Scum will 100% never shoot him here, so who is he trying to convince that he should survive? Town obv... Scum rating: High Damdy Wow. That filter is surprisingly lame. Damdy also didn't do the town thing he does when he is town and I instantly townread him for this game. Like he starts out with some decent stuff after being a bit late to the game into nothing. Then he buys the info about the gulag break-in break-out: On August 18 2016 05:39 Damdred wrote: A rogue kgb agent has just emailed me the footage of the breakout (which seems to be successful) Shape was rescued by someone who was identified as dickbutt mcdick Upon further studies it seems to be kurumi But just doesn't go anywhere with it, don't think town damdy would just drop that like he did here. Also while he was very suspicious of me at the start of the game, he changes his tone/attitude to me to buddy buddy real fast, after I get uni. townread. No solving the game past D1 and I have no idea about his reads. On August 21 2016 06:47 Damdred wrote: I have selected GB as my target this day. I would suggest one of Shape, Trfel, Prp That is the only mention of Trfel in his filter. It was well after the ikea chase announcement. Was he trying to get town to waste kp on a dead man? Also around to ##Get to safety but not to ##Hold the Door. Also promises to read Arts filter, never does so. Though I do the not delivering thing as both alignments. Scum rating: high Questions @ Damdy: Any reason you didn't press Kurumi about the gulag thing? What are your current reads like? FF Tone is really town. Koshi has apparently some sort of check or insight on him. There were actually a few reads thrown in there. Scum rating: low Koshi If supreme leader Koshi is scum we are supremely fucked anyway. Skipping this one. Really looking forward to his powers and updated reads. Scum rating: nope iamp Well, okay the guy is def. not town and that shouldn't surprise anyone. Him bitching about there being no lynches a lot makes sense if that is his true wincon. He also had a decent, somewhat natural read on GB, after GB did that chaos thing. On the other hand that is basically his whole filter and he is pretty anti-town. Still think it makes slightly more sense for him to be 3P. Scum rating: low-medium SL, M_Z and Hats: Will do those tomorrow, currently too tired to continue. Should maybe read Koshis filter for real, too. Will prolly not be around at deadline, about to fall over. Conclusion: Kitaman, Stutters, Damdred How many scummers are in games of this size? 4 seems a bit meager. 5? 6? 7? Maybe I am cutting FF too much slack here. Prolly some of my medium guys or the ones I haven't reread yet. | ||
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your D1 was ultra town. WP, you deserve this win. | ||
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Kurumi Trfel kitaman27 iamperfection Koshi what a team. I also would have had a hard time thinking both kurumi and damdred were scum after the gulag thing. and dat iamp in there... no way we would have won that. i am glad I figured out Damdy, Kita and Trfel though... | ||
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On August 27 2016 07:55 Trfel wrote: Thanks guys for the carry  well you at least ate 1.5b usd | ||
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and I should have been gunning for world leader cause the +2 votes would have made it really safer for me to get elected. actually koshi getting elected without problem should have set off some alarm bells | ||
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On August 27 2016 08:31 Kurumi wrote: Oh and disfo - I didn't mean a word I wrote in this game I like you all, I enjoy playing with you. xoxo np. Still not buying you a pony this christmas. :p | ||
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Had to choose one of my three targets. lol for thinking I just could by a ridic. amount of KP. Chose Trfel obv. Original Message From Palmar: I appreciate the effort, doesn't look like he's running. | ||
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On August 27 2016 09:26 Skynx wrote: Yeh i lied about rng btw just shot HF for shits n giggles ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/12O2XuGsIx1OvK/giphy.gif) | ||
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yep. the message that got you killed was written by Holyflare in the Obs QT. | ||
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On August 27 2016 17:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also wp Koshi. Might've been able to get you from how you started playing later but early on you looked like Town!Koshi 100%. Same goes for Kita. Kurumi also had some AtE's that looked good and Iamp played the 3p claim well. Also also Disfo town MVP. When I was briefly skimming Koshi's filter N3 I was like: "oh wait his D2 wasn't actually good.... NVM his D1 is so Town imma sheep him forever:" Kita had some cracks, but its really hard to write a decent case on him, as Hats pointed out already. Should have maybe interacted/pushed Kuru a bit harder D3. Will need to remember that he can have a very brash tone as scum. But yeah overall the scum team played very very well and town had a bunch of pretty bad fuck ups. So it is a very well deserved victory. Even if it ends my town win streak.  also <3 for calling me MVP. I love you for hodoring that door. | ||
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