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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 20:49 GMT
#239
On August 08 2016 05:43 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 08 2016 05:34 disformation wrote:
What do you think of HF's points on Luna? The points HF makes are decent and Luna's filter is meh.

In the same vein:
@ tumble: can you try another approach of explaining why you don't like HF's scum read on Luna? Cause I am not really seeing it.

Going to look at Lunas town game. After that prolly going to look into kush and grack.

HF didn't critically evaluate it, in the sense that he saw something and plugged it into a mental checklist of things scum do without thinking, "huh, maybe he's town and just acting weird" as if he's never played with scrub town before. just very much 'see the forest for the trees'

If HF sees something on a mental checklist of things scum do then of course he should push it. Why do you think he shouldn't? There's nothing redeeming in Lunatic's filter yet.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 20:51 GMT
#241
On August 08 2016 05:49 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 08 2016 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok so everybody seems to think that Kush is town and I am scum. 为什么?

yeah basically
can someone not wearing red-tinted glasses evaluate this reaction? I want to call it weird but I feel biased.

I should probably post in English. I want to know why.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 20:56 GMT
#245
You are going to frustrate me quite a bit this game Tumblewood.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 21:00 GMT
#247
On August 08 2016 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 08 2016 05:56 Grackaroni wrote:
You are going to frustrate me quite a bit this game Tumblewood.

that's right

Not a good thing.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 21:43 GMT
#264
On August 08 2016 06:41 mderg wrote:
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On August 08 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
Considering Sl is advocating it and gave a reply to me in earnest, and kush did it and is voting for the person it landed on supposidly i haven't checked the math.

Grac is also heavily in favor of it. Have you actualy read the thread mderg?

I still don't think they're taking the rng lynch seriously.

No I was absolutely taking the rng lynch seriously. I'm a big fan. i think Kush is too even though he said that it was terrible and that he would only do it for the lulz.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 21:51 GMT
#267
Tumble why are you townreading Kush?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 21:57 GMT
#269
On August 08 2016 06:53 mderg wrote:
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On August 08 2016 06:45 Damdred wrote:
So now that you have proof that people are actually taking it seriously mderg does that change your stance?

Not really. To me it didn't look serious at all before you posted your criticism of rng lynches.

Your entire filter has been talking about the random lynch. I'm pretty amazed you can be scumreading somebody for this.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 22:27 GMT
#274
On August 08 2016 07:19 disformation wrote:
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On August 08 2016 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:41 mderg wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
Considering Sl is advocating it and gave a reply to me in earnest, and kush did it and is voting for the person it landed on supposidly i haven't checked the math.

Grac is also heavily in favor of it. Have you actualy read the thread mderg?

I still don't think they're taking the rng lynch seriously.

No I was absolutely taking the rng lynch seriously. I'm a big fan. i think Kush is too even though he said that it was terrible and that he would only do it for the lulz.

shouldnt you be voting me then?
really disliking this. will rethink tomorrow.

No because I want to lynch Kush. Or at the very least I want to see what HolyFlare says about Kush. If I don't think there's a really good case tomorrow my vote will be on you.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 22:47 GMT
#277
On August 08 2016 07:43 disformation wrote:
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On August 08 2016 07:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 07:19 disformation wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:41 mderg wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
Considering Sl is advocating it and gave a reply to me in earnest, and kush did it and is voting for the person it landed on supposidly i haven't checked the math.

Grac is also heavily in favor of it. Have you actualy read the thread mderg?

I still don't think they're taking the rng lynch seriously.

No I was absolutely taking the rng lynch seriously. I'm a big fan. i think Kush is too even though he said that it was terrible and that he would only do it for the lulz.

shouldnt you be voting me then?
really disliking this. will rethink tomorrow.

No because I want to lynch Kush. Or at the very least I want to see what HolyFlare says about Kush. If I don't think there's a really good case tomorrow my vote will be on you.

eh? "i want to lynch kush, but i might sheep whatever case i deem good, or just go for the rng lynch otherwise"

all them options kept open.
that post/attitude seems pretty scummy to me...
well really need to get some sleep. let me look at that again in the morning..

Or, "I'm town. I would like to lynch Kush because I think he's scum. If I don't see a lynch I like at the end of the day, I'm going to vote for the random lynch." It's only scummy when you apply your own narrative to the post.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 22:50 GMT
#278
I can see someone else accusing me of trying to back out of voting you. I don't see why you're raising a ruckus that I'm not voting for the random lynch of somebody you "know" is town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 22:57 GMT
#279
You know what, your point is actually totally valid. My method of random lynching right now is super bad. If I'm going to support a random lynch then I absolutely have to commit to it from the start.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 07 2016 23:00 GMT
#280
I am sorry Palmar. I have brought great shame to the cause.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 13:13 GMT
#330
Ok I've skimmed though this thing skipping whatever Shapelog wrote because long. Disformation is like a really bad lynch. Be back later to save myself and stuff.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 14:48 GMT
#334
Ok here is the deal.

There are a lot of mafia reads on me because I post a lot and I don't usually have anything to say when I do post. This is the exact case that Stutters made in the last game that missed. I just like to post! You guys may be left wishing you kept me around if activity stays as it is.

This should only really be considered scummy when there are a lot of things to post about. Don't condemn me for posting a lot of useless things when so many people have posted nothing of value at all.

Disformation: A lot of people seemed to scum read him from the start because he was being congenial. Some people said that his questions seemed forced. I think they look fine. They're a bit more aggressive because I believe they are all in response to being voted or suspected. Disformation is one of the only people actively playing and I don't believe that mafia has shown any sign that they care about this lynch one way or another. Don't lynch. Town read for me. I have sacrificed ALL of my random lynch honor for this read and now the next time a random lynch is proposed I will be forced to silently weep the tears of lost opportunity. A pity!

Kushm4sta: This dude is seriously bad at scum as demonstrated by me:
On November 05 2014 13:37 Grackaroni wrote:
here are some funny Kush quotes from an old scum qt I remembered from the TL mafia database.
(this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-22-2013
02:22 AM ET (US)


here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment.

I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town.

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)

please bus me i want my life to end

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:38 AM ET (US)

im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-20-2013
10:58 PM ET (US)

nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner

Panicky Kush seemed a lot like mafia to me but literally nobody has agreed with my interpretation of the events. HolyFlare didn't comment on it at all, which is quite disappointing.

Lunatic: Based off the last two games he seems to have pretty strong differences between his town play and scum play. I'd actually give him another day if possible. I don't think his lack of posting is too condemning yet. I think for his town play, you will know it when you see it.

Shapelog: Lol ok so it turns out that the only person that agreed with me I skimmed over. I like this guy.

The case on me:
This one is a potent combination of weak meta and bad reading comprehension as well as devotion to random lynching. For the latter, I am not ashamed! I lived by the random lynch. And I shall die by the random lynch! But not anymore because I have betrayed the cause in most heinous fashion, indeed!

First the meta:
On August 08 2016 17:57 sicklucker wrote:
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On August 08 2016 07:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 07:19 disformation wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:41 mderg wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
Considering Sl is advocating it and gave a reply to me in earnest, and kush did it and is voting for the person it landed on supposidly i haven't checked the math.

Grac is also heavily in favor of it. Have you actualy read the thread mderg?

I still don't think they're taking the rng lynch seriously.

No I was absolutely taking the rng lynch seriously. I'm a big fan. i think Kush is too even though he said that it was terrible and that he would only do it for the lulz.

shouldnt you be voting me then?
really disliking this. will rethink tomorrow.

No because I want to lynch Kush. Or at the very least I want to see what HolyFlare says about Kush. If I don't think there's a really good case tomorrow my vote will be on you.


ya i kind of want to lynch you because you went after town kush last game too. and im reading him pretty town

On August 08 2016 17:58 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 07:43 disformation wrote:
On August 08 2016 07:27 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 07:19 disformation wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:41 mderg wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:37 Damdred wrote:
Considering Sl is advocating it and gave a reply to me in earnest, and kush did it and is voting for the person it landed on supposidly i haven't checked the math.

Grac is also heavily in favor of it. Have you actualy read the thread mderg?

I still don't think they're taking the rng lynch seriously.

No I was absolutely taking the rng lynch seriously. I'm a big fan. i think Kush is too even though he said that it was terrible and that he would only do it for the lulz.

shouldnt you be voting me then?
really disliking this. will rethink tomorrow.

No because I want to lynch Kush. Or at the very least I want to see what HolyFlare says about Kush. If I don't think there's a really good case tomorrow my vote will be on you.

eh? "i want to lynch kush, but i might sheep whatever case i deem good, or just go for the rng lynch otherwise"

all them options kept open.
that post/attitude seems pretty scummy to me...
well really need to get some sleep. let me look at that again in the morning..


pretty much how he played scum last game...

On August 08 2016 17:58 sicklucker wrote:
acualy its way too similar. just gonna park my vote on him and call it a cycle



Voting for the same person as you did when you were scum is such a bad application of meta. The cases are also completely different. My suspicion of Kush is based off specific posts he made in the game. In my scum game it was mostly based off a general sense of trying to look useful while contributing nothing. Also I think this game is way closer to my last game than 72 hours.

Now for the reading comprehension fail part of the case:

On August 08 2016 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
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On August 08 2016 04:46 Vivax wrote:
Did a quick ctrl-f of my name, no results so far.

Is the theory that only scum would try to deflect attention to me being afk for 1 half of D1 a shit theory or a good theory?
With the caveat that they'd have to be under pressure to do so, so is it safe to assume no scum so far was under pressure?
Or only scum that doesn't know my meta?

I like the way you think. Still shit theory because the game is like 4 pages long. It's pretty weak to try to direct the lynch on to somebody not posting when everyone else is equally guilty of that.

Here is the post in question. I like the way Vivax was thinking because he was keeping an eye on the larger trends of the game, which I like to do as well. I said it was a bad theory because it's pretty hard for mafia to accuse somebody afk for not posting when the entire game, likely all of their filters included, is a big lurk fest.

On August 08 2016 06:20 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2016 06:19 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 08 2016 06:13 disformation wrote:
On August 08 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
oh and now I bet you're gonna ask for the explanation
a) likes the way vivax thinks (lmao)
b) echoing vivax but as if he's having a conversation with him and pointing to the rest of the thread and saying, "I know, right?" like, town tends to talk one-on-one with people only when they're arguing and it's unnatural to make that post.

Eh, I am not really getting it. Might be a language barrier thing? Dunno.

Also after reading the exchange between Grack and Kush again, there is def. something off, but I think kush looks slightly worse.
Grack did have some posts between his opener (which I liked) and before the exchange that where meh.
On the other hand I read kush wrong quite often...

Can you ppl explain what made you dislike Grack in that exchange?

basically
town doesn't tell people, "hey, just wanted to let you know I agree with your post"

Wasn't it more like a "hey nice idea, but because of x it isn't actually very valid."
Mh... well yeah that actually doesn't tell us what Grack thinks of Vivax at all. xD

Here is the German guy with the correct take on the post.

On August 08 2016 05:47 Tumblewood wrote:
oh and now I bet you're gonna ask for the explanation
a) likes the way vivax thinks (lmao)
b) echoing vivax but as if he's having a conversation with him and pointing to the rest of the thread and saying, "I know, right?" like, town tends to talk one-on-one with people only when they're arguing and it's unnatural to make that post.

Now here is the American guy who seems to have his own interpretation of the English language.

On Tumblewood: Don't write off this guy too quickly. I think a lot of people liked his aggression and may think he is town. He was the most aggressive player in 72 hours as well. Chainsaw attack on HolyFlare for calling out Lunatic was completely ridiculous.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 14:59 GMT
#340
On August 08 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
someone tl dr why we're voting disfo/grack?

I'm bad at keeping my mouth shut. Disfo is combination of random lynch and his entrance posts.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 15:01 GMT
#344
On August 08 2016 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
so what you're saying is that people are voting disfo for entrance posts but ignoring luna's entrance posts??? who are these mafia people?

Well the wagon for Disfo is just GB who has been tunneled on him since then. Kush who is random lynching. And Lunatic for I have no idea what reason.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 15:02 GMT
#346
Also me because I had to follow my random lynch heart. Now I am broken inside.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 16:03 GMT
#357
On August 09 2016 00:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Also Grac, it's kinda funny how you are being scumread for doing exactly what I was doing.

I'm actually like a scum read magnet for every day one because I don't like to post too many cursory reads.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 16:06 GMT
#358
HF what were your thoughts on the Kush incident?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 08 2016 16:10 GMT
#359
I'm not so sure I want to lynch Mderg.
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