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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 20:27 GMT
#1297
We still should have another power role whether that be cop or whatever which will shed much more light on this situation. Give the game a chance.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 20:30 GMT
#1298
On August 13 2016 04:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 04:55 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 13 2016 04:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Lunatic why did you vote dis during the start of day 1?


Well it is mostly intution combined with several things, voting patterns. First post implied power role, the lynch never taking of and quickly other trains where created.

I woukd actually look at who created the others trains ad why when dis was under attack.

There is honestly no way he is VT.



PLEASE JUST ANSWER MY ONE QUESTION. WHY DOES IT IMPLY HE'S A POWER ROLE. YOU CAN IGNORE ALL OF MY OTHER POSTS BUT NOT THIS ONE.

ALSO MAYBE WHY CAN'T HE STILL BE A POWER ROLE?


^^^^^^¬
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 20:46 GMT
#1299
Look Damdred I don't mean to be rude and I'm sorry but I'm town so yes you are extremely allowed to tell people to auto lynch me for a bad play but do not discredit what I'm saying without reading it at least.

The fact is you allegedly won't be here tomorrow so you're the one that needs to read it the most.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 21:04 GMT
#1301
No, that's just not true in the slightest.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 21:21 GMT
#1305
I don't need wiggle room, I'll be saved by the good last power role player we have. Isn't that right STUTTERS????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:00 GMT
#1309
PHASE 2 - Cop Dance Boogaloo




Surprise!



Table of Contents (Clickable Links)

  • The Situation - A Holyflare Perspective Story (entirely narrative)
  • The Crackpot Conspiracy Theory from Day 2
  • Cop Checks
  • Reads (tomorrow)











The Situation - A Holyflare Perspective Story

This is a tale of glory, a tale of misery, a tale of sacrifice. Past this point is entirely an account of how this scenario has occurred and what it means for the town. You will learn the true sacrifice I put forward to lead you out of the evil land of Sicklucker and his cronies to a better land, the promised land.

Reader beware, the content becomes quite emotional at times and you will experience a whirlwind of emotions.



So, as you may have guessed from the title of this novella I am INDEED the cop, phase 2 has been completed! Congratulations, we got through it together, I'm so proud of us.

Since my departure from Teamliquid Mafia, retiring as the greatest player of all time, the person who dodged red checks as mafia, the player that all killed an entire mafia team as town it comes as a great shock to return to this game after some time, the last game I returned to semi-recently I rolled mafia straight away. This situation proposed a dilemma for my new life, a new more busy life, a less mafia filled life (), I couldn't compete to my former glory and invest that much time while working my full time job and living so far away from it, it's not feasible, there are too many things to keep track of and people are natural suspicious of my abilities, it was frustrating. This game was a refresher, a town game, I was overjoyed! Yet, alas, I saw my role PM, it was a cop. I knew that if I played at least to half-capability of my final form then I would be nightkilled immediately, thus my plan day 1:

1) Don't post shit and let others lead and call stuff out you don't like (+policy players that don't play that you have high opinions of)

2) Avoid suspicion and live more than one night please.

This plan was great, until I realised that every capable player abandoned the thread completely and nobody had a single piece of direction, I had to intervene. What better way to do this than an ego driven thread rampage and try to hold the thread hostage (didn't realise it was majority for a while). I usurped the lynch and tried to get it onto GB yet was diverted, yet, miraculously pulled out as one of the most towniest people day 1 with almost 0 real content in my filter at all (what the fuck guys please learn to play, newbies are always open).

Unfortunately this would have led to my instant demise and after seeing the shit show that was the thread on day 1 and the lack of available town leaders what better way than pat myself on the back with sick plays and continue to rampage the thread into day 2? This is why, knowing my ability, I called for as many medic saves as possible. Annoyingly Tumblewood had some sense and did it but it actually roleblocked my power (roleblocks are totally notified btw, please tell me if you get roleblocked at any point).

Now, you have to understand, I claimed cop fully knowing that several situations could occur:

1) Nobody would CC me if I claimed cop because I AM the cop.
2) People will post their opinions on this cop claim and I'll get the information to solve the game.
3) If I think that the person is town I can just rescind the claim later and then
4) If someone cc's me after me telling them not to then it's likely to save the person I "check" and they'll both be mafia and therefore I'd lynch myself to confirm two mafia

So, I've not played here in a while, GB used to play and be active A LOT, admittedly I've seen one game where someone mentioned he doesn't play like that anymore but I thought that if I fake claimed against him it would ignite his passion regardless of his alignment and I could get a better read, yet, it did not, he was a tame player and it actually did disappoint me because I was looking for a fight. GB WAS actually my check if I wasn't roleblocked which is unfortunate but either way. This is where the whole sicklucker situation comes from, the moment he uttered the words about role cops and millers and whatever that's INSTANT suspicion, there's no way that happens.

But, Holyflare, you ask, why did you think they were both mafia?

Truth be told I DIDN'T believe they were both mafia, it was a definite case of being rusty/hedging bets. I thought that if GB did flip town then it all but confirms SL as mafia for this crackpot theory (see later posts if I finish this which isn't likely since I'm only just writing it 15 minutes before deadline lololol also please fucking read my actual posts in the night now).

Then not only did I get alarm bells from that but I got alarm bells from GB posting his trashy attempts :D I didn't believe he could be town and still push his day 1 read on Disformation from the first few posts of the game, legitimately that was bad, really, really bad GB. Then he dodged the SL stuff for a while etc etc, it just confirmation biased me hard. Confirmation bias is bad guys, avoid it at all costs, take this game as confirmation bias 101 what not to do. SL had foreshadowed this case the entire day 2 because he knew it was happening.

Anyway, I also had a major case of the lazy this game due to work being draining etc etc but that's another post for another day. I apologise for being wrong etc etc, I'm still the cop, if someone CCs this they are mafia. I've tried my BEST to be open and honest as much as I could, I didn't want you guys to waste your time at night reading my filter when it didn't contain much content day 1 and I was cop but understandably you've been preoccupied with it.




The Crackpot Conspiracy Theory from Day 2

This could be very out there:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2016 08:07 Holyflare wrote:
I also have a wild theory for the end of this entire cycle so remind me of that later.

On August 12 2016 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Also my wild theory from d2 start is still possible. Difvaimvasvios.


= Damdred is fake vigilante and is mafia vigilante and shot vivax instead of stutters

I feel like Damdred has been 100% absent from his "confirmed town" position, he hasn't really had proper reads since some of his first posts day 1, he put the lynch on kush after saying kush was the most improved player this year but gave other people (gb etc) an extra day to play the game, it was a double standard for an easy lynch when it could have just been on stutters who he would not say that phrase about giving an extra day to (relies on stutters mafia again)





My Cop Checks

N1 - Glowingbear - roleblocked
N2 - Stutters - pending




reads incoming tomorrow, no time to finish
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:02 GMT
#1312
Ah, well there goes my crackpot theory :s
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:03 GMT
#1314
Stutters has come back green, whether that means GF or not who knows but it's still green nonetheless.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:04 GMT
#1317
vigi do not reveal
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:05 GMT
#1318
unless you're ever up for lynch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:05 GMT
#1320
Phase 2 complete?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:07 GMT
#1322
I know I've played with your heartstrings too many times but I will get those reads into a nicely formatted post with anchor tags et al to make it up to you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:09 GMT
#1325
If you have been roleblocked absolutely notify the thread though that information is VERY important in whether I trust the Stutters check or not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:11 GMT
#1326
Mafia could have a vig/role cop and used the vivax town kill to gain later cred if needed, vig claim is pretty wifom but obviously we'd be deciding on the player rather than the claim if it happened.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:16 GMT
#1327
So, yeah, I suggest you read my actual night posts with the new perspective please?

At least, if you don't believe me you need to evaluate it still.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:24 GMT
#1334
On August 13 2016 07:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok we're still lynching HF. Here are the relevant facts explained by Glowingbear:

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.

I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.

What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing.


If HF was town he would have unclaimed and moved the lynch on to SL on day 2 since he never had a check on GB in the first place. He didn't do that. He pushed through the mislynch on GB and is now trying to close out the game with this final SL push.


No, I didn't believe GB could be that shit as town, it's as simple as that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:24 GMT
#1335
On August 13 2016 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia could have a vig/role cop and used the vivax town kill to gain later cred if needed, vig claim is pretty wifom but obviously we'd be deciding on the player rather than the claim if it happened.

There are no mafia vigs in 13 player games. That definitely destroys the balance.


No it doesn't? You don't even know what roles we have.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:26 GMT
#1337
Unless you're seriously saying 1 shot vig + jk is a balanced setup on its own then you're crazy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:26 GMT
#1338
On August 13 2016 07:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
On August 13 2016 07:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok we're still lynching HF. Here are the relevant facts explained by Glowingbear:

On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.

I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.

What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing.


If HF was town he would have unclaimed and moved the lynch on to SL on day 2 since he never had a check on GB in the first place. He didn't do that. He pushed through the mislynch on GB and is now trying to close out the game with this final SL push.


No, I didn't believe GB could be that shit as town, it's as simple as that.

But they aren't mutually exclusive. If you are convinced that SL has slipped on day 2 then you have to assume that GB is that shit as town by definition.


I wasn't convinced really until GB flipped, it's in my big wall of text and outlined multiple times a day, I hedged my bets.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 12 2016 22:29 GMT
#1339
On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.

I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.

I am also not fake claiming.


On August 11 2016 18:53 Holyflare wrote:
I like how sl is paranoid/mafia but not explaining that if stutters is town and gb is town it's lylo tomorrow and my claim would be good mafia plays.

Gb especially, very disappointed in his attempt to throw suspicion at me, poor show. Disappointment all round really.

On August 11 2016 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.

I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.

I am also not fake claiming.



You see if you're town GB and I'm town you have to say that SL is mafia for knowing it at this point. As mafia he knows that I am town claiming cop and you are town so unless there's a framer (there won't be) then you must be a miller. You're accusing me of setting up for SL tomorrow when this very conspiracy theory is setting ME up first.

Yet you say he's town for the shittest post on the planet and I'm setting HIM up.


I was waivering on GB, you see I WOULD have switched off GB and it was going to happen if he just acknowledged the SL thing but he fucking went full dumb and said SL was towny for a shit post and that somehow SL's post made sense from tinfoil (in what world!??!?!?!?!?). Bolded is most important of why I didn't unvote and put the SL thing in the back of my head, it looked like GB was spewing SL as town to me.
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