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J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 02:33 GMT
#598
On August 02 2016 11:29 Grackaroni wrote:
I'M NOT TAKING THE FALL FOR THIS Ssssssson. I'm probs getting lynched, so I'm just going to take my this opportunity to unleash my inner slam.



Oh so you are scum. Cool. Nothing to refute or anything.

Next time just post baby seals.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 12:48 GMT
#638
On August 02 2016 21:29 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:
On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:
On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:
A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend.

I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it.

Town:
Lunaticman
Mderg

Town-reads:
Celestial
Scott
Skynx


Nullreads/unsure:
MoosyDoosy
silentwarrior
J Roc
Stutter
BeenThereDoneThat

Scummy:
KelsierSC
Grac

Mafia:
Rels

First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:

mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT


You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post:

Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in


And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though.

I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange.

I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2.

The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town.

I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter.

Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis?
You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC?
You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is.
I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip.

Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here.


At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all.

The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch,

I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that.

This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele.

Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment.



Well, make sure to read few pages back lol.

Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that.



Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right?


No he has played before, not sure if he has rolled scum before though.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 13:07 GMT
#641
On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc
I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.

This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc

KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.


I never voted RB, I voted Scott.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 13:09 GMT
#644
On August 02 2016 21:54 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 21:48 J Roc wrote:
On August 02 2016 21:29 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:
On August 02 2016 21:09 Lunaticman wrote:
On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:
On August 02 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:
A lot happend while I was asleep, There are many suspicious things that occured and I will try to work through the pages during the day (at work atm) and explain what I believe happend.

I think it is safe to say that most of the accusations yesterday was probably Town versus Town (at least of the players being tossed around for a lynch while I was asleep). First I'm going to post a list on my current read on the players (I can elaborate on them if asked). And it is safe to assume at least one mafia was on the train on Mderg. And one mafia was probably not on it.

Town:
Lunaticman
Mderg

Town-reads:
Celestial
Scott
Skynx


Nullreads/unsure:
MoosyDoosy
silentwarrior
J Roc
Stutter
BeenThereDoneThat

Scummy:
KelsierSC
Grac

Mafia:
Rels

First of all Rels joins the game way to late to actually consolidate town in any meaningful way. And he only does it after being called out on it (modkill warning?). And he starts a train with conviction anyway and simply points out three/four players based on nothing:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:

mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT


You then explain why Mderg is scum and I have to agree most of your points are valid but it feels contrived when you do this post:

Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in


And then you welcome Grac aboard, like it is the only available lynch target. Grac is more than happy to follow your read and happily join. I feel like there has to be one mafia between the two of you and it feels like you are playing way to similar to last game. It can be that one of you wree trying to protect one of the lynch targets in scott/Mderg. I don't think both of you are mafia though.

I also feel that Moosys modkill warning was really wierd, it might be he simply forgot to vote but it is still strange.

I am not impressed with Kelsier contributions to town atm, it doesn't feel like he trying to solve the game. It is like he doesn't care and just coasting through the day, I expect him to do a lot of work day 2.

The same thing applies to BeenThere but I feel he has done more for town.

I don't like how Grac was sheeping Rels. I find it hard to think that both Grac and Rels would make such a mistake but it is not impossible. I would think Rels is more probable out of the two. Grac has way more activity this game and feels towny to me based on it. But some of his thoughts doesn't make sense to me. Ill have to reread his filter.

Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis?
You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC?
You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is.
I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip.

Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here.


At first I put both KSC and BTDT in the same category but when I read their filters BTDT did way more to solve the game, so I "uppgraded" him. KSC filter is really really bad, it does not contain anything useful at all.

The reason for where I put Grac is that he has posted a lot more constructive this game compared to last game and before I went to sleep I had him as towny. I did not like his sheep vote from Rels at all and when I compared them I think Rels is more likely to be mafia between the two. Townies are prone to make more "honest" mistakes and I think Rels has to take responsibility for the misslynch,

I don't feel I have as good a read on either Moosy or Stutters yet to place them in my town list. They are however more towny than null but I'm not certain. I think I will reread their filters after day 2 and make a decision after that.

This might sound cliche but Celestials filter is what I consider to be the perfect towny. I also don't think any mafia would put that much effort into solving the game that early and just trying to move the thread forward when it was basically dying. Atm I see no reason to change my mind regarding cele.

Also scott is not mafia because of how bannon was playing. I don't buy that he would do that spam as either alignment.



Well, make sure to read few pages back lol.

Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that.



Well that makes sense but he hasn't played before right?


No he has played before, not sure if he has rolled scum before though.


Maybe that is going down the wrong rabbit hole but do you mind checking? otherwise I might reread day 1 with bannon/scott.


I guess but it still doesn't matter he would need to play trolly either way and imitate his previous play as town if he rolled scum.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 13:16 GMT
#646
On August 02 2016 22:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also, what are your thoughts J Roc? Can you give a short summary of where you stand on people right now?



When I am back home I'll read everything over again and give thoughts.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 13:34 GMT
#648
On August 02 2016 22:24 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc
I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.

This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc

KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.


I want you to tell me why we shouldn't just lynch Rels though. There has to be a mafia between Rels/Grac? They actually did a misslynch, The Bannon train so far to my knowledge is just speculation right?



Like what was said earlier leading a day 1 mislynch is more likely to come from town, but like I said rels is capable of doing so as scum in a game he thinks the player list is weak like this one and people will expect him to be town leader.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 02 2016 13:35 GMT
#649
On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 20:51 Skynx wrote:
And thats about it I guess.

Rels/Grack/Silent is possible but prolly one of them is town. Alternatively add Scott in there and make it 2/4.

Luna/KSC/btdt are really low hanging fruits, watch out for anyone pushing lynches on them early on based on activity/contribution.

Celest/Stutters/Moosy/Jroc
I won't be lynching for a while.

I'm sure 3rd scum will giveaway stuff if we keep the track on them 4 on mderg train.

I like this list.



Actuall thoughts?
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 09:52 GMT
#725
I wont be around much today...

##Vote Scott.

I said there were scum on the mderg wagon. A vigi claimed and a vt flipped. We lynch scott 100% here today.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 09:54 GMT
#726
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J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 10:05 GMT
#728
Fucking auto login...
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 10:06 GMT
#729
Anyway now that you know.

Lynch Scott.

Will back later.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 11:17 GMT
#739
On August 03 2016 20:00 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On August 03 2016 17:13 Skynx wrote:
Nice shit, after like 4 people saying how vigclaim is not the play here

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. In Skynx' mind, before the claim, I was the most likely scum in the game. The lynch today was basically me or silent, according to his list during the night. So me claiming is a fucking GOOD thing for him, as it makes him re evaluate and should push him in the right path instead of wasting time scumreading me.
But Skynx' reaction is the opposite. He is not happy with my claim because "this is not what we decided to do". This makes little sense when he should be happy that a claim showed him at least one of his read was wrong. I would agree that Celestial claiming would be a fucking waste for him: but me, a strong scumread, claiming should be nice for him.

I've been thinking about it and I think this is a really scummy reaction. If you're actually vigi, claiming before next EoN would make your claim undeniable, not right now.
What is pushing the "right" part in your opinion here? Grack flipped green so it clears Silent? You are confirmed town so only lynch now is Scott?



Unless there is a counter claim we arent lynching rels. And this is a really bad play if rels is scum as it would at best trade out a used blue for himself.

Rels is vig.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 11:59 GMT
#741
On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah


Read above post.

So my son had his tonsils out 2 days ago and the hospital had shit internet thats the reason for me trying to get a vote down last minute and it being ninja. I am still taking care of him and I have a doctors appointment today then am going to take my pain meds when wife is home from work and can watch the kids. I will re read the game at some point though.

Still I can get behind a lunatic lynch. still prefer scott.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 03 2016 12:26 GMT
#745
On August 03 2016 21:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2016 20:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hey Rels, do u have a delicious role breadcrumb or nah

no



Yeah rels not clever enough
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 04 2016 19:37 GMT
#788
Im kinda around kinda not. I will read up I promise.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 04 2016 20:21 GMT
#806
Silent had to vote MDerg reguardless of alignment. Him voting on mderg is NAI.

See simple
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 04 2016 20:26 GMT
#810
On August 05 2016 05:24 Skynx wrote:
Lemme ask this tho:
If Luna flips red what happens? If Luna flips green what happens?


A) Lynch Scott

B) Lynch Scott
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 05 2016 14:50 GMT
#1007
I will be around today. Sorry I wasnt here for deadline yesterday. Oh well.

I still have to read up.

Looks like we have a scum lynch tomorrow. THen we lynch scott.

Scott is scum.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 05 2016 18:16 GMT
#1010
On August 06 2016 00:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Oh I see J Roc posted as I was filtering. Hey. Any chance of a full read set at some point?



Yes will be a full re read at some point.
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 06 2016 21:53 GMT
#1065
Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise
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