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I think I'm just going to step back for a little bit and see what else starts to come up.
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On July 21 2016 05:02 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:53 emperorchampion wrote:
I think I'm just going to step back for a little bit and see what else starts to come up. I think you are town and I will switch votes soon. But I am not sure yet which player though.
you can also just
[b]##unvote[/b]
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hmm I feel OK about grack and prpl atm
palmar I find his read list pretty underwhelming, also his vote on lunatic is not that odd in of itself but it's weird that he said he didn't notice him when clearly he did or else woudn't have voted. I don't think he was trolling at that point
a lot of lunatic's posts don't add up so there's that
can some people explain more their town reads on tumble?
kruppe has given some reads, but without any reasoning they are a little tenuous, but at least it's something for now.
rels I guess we'll see tomorrow
sl??? I'm pretty not down with him not posting at all, but we'll see what happens
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On July 21 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote:On July 21 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 03:37 Palmar wrote:
jesus 20 pages All super important content make sure to catchup 1 by 1 no actually just fuck it, if people are going to revert to the stupid spamming style of playing I'm not even gonna bother trying. http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dnZQAJvqMFi4gg Instant townread. Knowing Skynx doesn't have access to quicktopic, it's very likely this comment is not a joke. So it's either a town being mad or a scum faking it. The simpler explanation is often the right one.
Great point!
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On July 21 2016 20:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 04:30 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Such mystery! Friend Kruppe has two sets of —most beautifully written by Kruppe himself— invitations.
Red envelopes! Warm invitations to the most (in?)famous and lustrous (in some way) inn in Darujhistan; the Phoenix Inn!
Blue envelopes! Calming invitations to the mysterious inn in.. Darujhistan(?); the Crossroad Inn!
Where will Kruppe truly be? What table will be filled with the most delicious pastries, the toughest of drinks and hosted by the most magnanimous host of all, Kruppe?
Kruppe cordially extends a red envelope to both Rels and Koshi. A pair of two indeed! Kruppe extends a warm welcome to the Phoenix Inn! (And of course, dear Koshi, a book with friend Kruppe in it is worth reading a thousand times over!)
Kruppe also extends two mysterious blue envelopes! One to Skynx and one to EmperorChampion. An enigma indeed! Kruppe would welcome the both of you to the Crossroad Inn! Kruppe posting 15 minutes after being called out by Palmar is suspicious.
At the same time, there's no way (imo) that Kruppe could write that post in 15 minutes.
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On July 21 2016 21:35 Lunaticman wrote:
Also if Palmer turns red, there is a good chance EC is red too.
If you can explain this in a way that makes perfect sense, then I have a 100% town read on palmar 
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I'm feeling pretty good about: rels, skynx, lunatic at the moment. I'm gonna read up a bit on tumble, see how I feel.
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On July 21 2016 22:11 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 22:09 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 21:35 Lunaticman wrote:
Also if Palmer turns red, there is a good chance EC is red too. If you can explain this in a way that makes perfect sense, then I have a 100% town read on palmar Tbh I already did state my reasoning multiple times. But i don't see how it turns him into a townie from your perspective.
You're reasoning is a little dubious, but I think it stems from the fact that you thought I was under a lot more pressure than I was (votes actually don't mean that much until the end of the day right now). The last bit was a bit of a joke 
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On July 21 2016 12:07 Tumblewood wrote:lol just remembered I have two quotes open in other tabs Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 05:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar
kruppe - Isn't he a lot more explicit in his reads than last game? Maybe he's trying harder to look town, because actually he's scum?? the note on kruppe kinda weirds me out but I think kush wouldn't be that obvious probably
I think it's a good point by kush regarding kruppe's posting, but you are saying it could be TMI from kush?
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On July 21 2016 22:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp? It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add. how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum. ??? No. Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read. I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it. He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL. Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes. I vote for Palmer. Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role. I agree Palmar might be mafia. And last times I said Palmar was mafia he actually was mafia and I got night killed and people didn't lynch him. So I am glad you are in the game. I am currently thinking about Kruppe as well. What is your opinion? My current scumteam: Palmar/Kruppe/Rels
Koshi: Rels seems pretty towny to me, can you explain the scum read?
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On July 21 2016 22:45 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:29 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:26 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:19 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:08 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:06 Skynx wrote:
Lunaticman, do you have romanian ties in the family? No, not that I am aware of, I don't understand what the point of the question is? There used to be a thread where a bunch of Romanians didn't understand lines and lines of sarcasm than didn't take serious stuff serious. It became a meme on TL but i can't find it now  Yes I can understand that, tbh it is really hard to tell sarcasm or trolling on a forum post. I guess you need experience in the matter. In my opinion it doesn't aid the town at all and only sows confusion. There is also the possibility that it actually means something. That is why I tried asking every time I find it confusing. It also an effective way to trap people. Example: I think x is scummy because reasons and I work in mysterious ways. What do you mean that doesnt add content what are you basing this on? HAHA noob dont you realize I was joking. etc. Inside jokes are also hard for beginners, for obvious reasons. Well, how that applies to you is that Palmar was trolling when he said "I'm rookie" or "I forgot my reasons, sry". You should have felt no pressure if you were town and simply laugh in his face. But the way you reacted to this whole situation makes you vote worthy from my pow. 7 pages of filter. It makes sense that he has a lot of things in it that you don't agree with. Question is, did he things only a mafia would do? Or did he things that only a townie would do? If you don't have any of those, better not lynch him D1 just because his style pisses you off. His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point. My only concern is he's prolly town. I actually demand to know what you are referencing "his style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts" why don't you enlighten me? And I think I have a pretty good handle on the game atm, I'll follow my instinct until I am proven wrong. I am actually quite easy to convince if you bring out good arguments. I have not done a single action without justifying it, compared to many of the other players. And also, everyone gets lynched at some point. It is only a matter on how you go out that you can choose.
Who are the players that have done something without justification in your mind?
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On July 21 2016 22:52 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 22:47 emperorchampion wrote:On July 21 2016 22:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:29 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:26 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:19 Skynx wrote:On July 21 2016 22:08 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:06 Skynx wrote:
Lunaticman, do you have romanian ties in the family? No, not that I am aware of, I don't understand what the point of the question is? There used to be a thread where a bunch of Romanians didn't understand lines and lines of sarcasm than didn't take serious stuff serious. It became a meme on TL but i can't find it now Yes I can understand that, tbh it is really hard to tell sarcasm or trolling on a forum post. I guess you need experience in the matter. In my opinion it doesn't aid the town at all and only sows confusion. There is also the possibility that it actually means something. That is why I tried asking every time I find it confusing. It also an effective way to trap people. Example: I think x is scummy because reasons and I work in mysterious ways. What do you mean that doesnt add content what are you basing this on? HAHA noob dont you realize I was joking. etc. Inside jokes are also hard for beginners, for obvious reasons. Well, how that applies to you is that Palmar was trolling when he said "I'm rookie" or "I forgot my reasons, sry". You should have felt no pressure if you were town and simply laugh in his face. But the way you reacted to this whole situation makes you vote worthy from my pow. 7 pages of filter. It makes sense that he has a lot of things in it that you don't agree with. Question is, did he things only a mafia would do? Or did he things that only a townie would do? If you don't have any of those, better not lynch him D1 just because his style pisses you off. His style doesn't piss me off. If we take his actions totally serious he's like confirmed mafia in my eyes. His style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts and takes non-serious things for real and vice versa. I reasoned my original slight scumlean based off of that, that ok he might pick up on the game when he gets familiar but he said stuff so far that must always get him lynched at one point. My only concern is he's prolly town. I actually demand to know what you are referencing "his style suggests that he's not aware of certain stuff behind posts" why don't you enlighten me? And I think I have a pretty good handle on the game atm, I'll follow my instinct until I am proven wrong. I am actually quite easy to convince if you bring out good arguments. I have not done a single action without justifying it, compared to many of the other players. And also, everyone gets lynched at some point. It is only a matter on how you go out that you can choose. Who are the players that have done something without justification in your mind? I would say most of the votes are based nothing atm besides mine. Also there has been a lot of undermining of people which is a typical Master suppression technique favored among mafia.
So it's pretty much just votes that you're talking about being unjustified? Also what is this about the "Master suppression" technique, if you see something lets discuss it and see where it heads.
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On July 21 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:01 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:57 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:53 Koshi wrote:On July 21 2016 22:43 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 22:37 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 22:24 prplhz wrote:On July 21 2016 21:45 Lunaticman wrote:On July 21 2016 21:40 Skynx wrote:
So I'm assuming you sr Palmar based on the fact that he voted you without any reason to save his scumbuddy emp? It sure seems that way to me, unless you have something to add. how does this make ANY sense when emperorchapmion isn't even your scum read you're literally saying Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum. but emperorchampion isn't scum but Palmar is still scum. ??? No. Ec was accused of being scummy because of a meta read. I thought the accusation was interesting and valid. I voted for him because of it. He defended himself by accusing me, I explained why that was a mistake and that it would have gotten him lynched IRL. Palmer springs up and tries to redirect the attention and makes a several contradictions which makes him super scummy in my eyes. I vote for Palmer. Everyone starts to question my reads and the way I play which makes me think I am onto something. I just think I hit a nerve and I won't let it go unless Palmer hard claims a blue role. but Skynx is saying you are scumreading Palmar because he tries to attract attention on himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion you agree with this so you think Palmar is scum because he tries to attract attention to himself over his scumbuddy emperorchampion but you are not scumreading emperorchampion it's literally what the post said??? ALSO why would whatever get someone lynched irl, but not here? why is it scummy irl but not here? prplhz, Better not stare blindly in what lunatic says why Palmar is mafia and discard the idea because you disagree. Please read Palmar his filter and tell me why Palmar is town? You probably can't. Please do not defend Palmar solely because you disagree with Lunatic. It doesn't help town. Palmar might very well be mafia. that's not my problem, yes Palmar could be mafia Skynx is asking Lunaticman is he is scumreading Palmar because Palmar is defending his scumbuddy emperorchampion. Lunaticman says that that is exactly what is happening. This associative business is shady in itself, but Lunaticman isn't even scumreading emperorchampion. Explain this to me like I'm stupid. He is saying "Palmar is scum because emperorchampion is scum" but he doesn't think emperorchampion is scum??? I was the first to say that was bullshit. In the thread. Posts started with: ...
Really
... But LET IT GO... Do not stare blindly on 1 thing this lunatic guy says. He has a 7 (maybe 8 now) filter and he is not backing down. You can tell him another 1000 times that he doesn't make sense and he will tell you 1001 times he does... If you think it makes him mafia. Fine. But I don't think it does. He really believes Palmar is mafia for this reason. While we think that reason is bad. He still believes it. It's townie. HMM OKAY i know i should ignore Lunaticman for now but it's just so hard!!! Anyway, Palmar could be mafia. But we're not lynching him today. And if you're town, could be dead tomorrow. It's fine that you're pushing the idea that Palmar could be mafia but please don't push the idea that we should lynch him today. Fine. I can kill the eel as well. Or Rels.
Koshi I understand that you want to push teams this game and not individual players, but your links between the team mates are very tenuous. Personally, I find that rels has looked pretty towny so far. The bit where you say that scum will include 1 other scum is an interesting point that I completely agree with, but your scum conclusion of kruppe seems to be based off of Palmar's post. As you said, kruppe is null (I suppose before his reads post, which may have changed things).
So I agree with a lot of the points that you've made, and I do think that Palmar's reads list was pretty shoddy. However, especially the rels part feels like a huge stretch.
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I did notice that Rels neglected DC's follow up post in his analysis:
On July 21 2016 20:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 02:07 DCWasabi wrote:On July 20 2016 23:34 Tumblewood wrote:On July 20 2016 23:28 emperorchampion wrote:On July 20 2016 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
actually no
luna's one post is not enough to balance out his previous posting. he's been posting but hardly playing all game. that definitely warrants a scumlean in my book. (this also applies to ec)
also if luna is scum I guess koshi isn't partners because why make a scum case and not go for the cred? shitty mafia move. Actually I've been playing the game a lot, so what's your scum lean based off of? when I say "posting but not playing" I mean you and luna are making a lot of posts but hardly working toward solving the game. OK, but if there is one thing that I learned from my first 2 games, it is that it is pretty nontrivial to "work towards solving the game" on Day 1. I think the first thing that is useful that one can do is get some activity out there day 1, and get your tone established so that you can be more easily read as town by the town moving forwards. I think this is one of the things that I actually did properly as town in the Onegu Best Host Game. Town should be trying to solve the game, but some of the players haven't even posted yet, for example it is 10am local time for me and I just woke-up 30 mins ago and am trying to get caught up. I don't scumlean either of those guys yet, tbh. At the same time, I kind of like this post by Tumble because it is the kind of thing that can help to start more meaningful discussion going and discourage people from posting random banter, otherwise they might get scum-read by this reasoning. I am going to slightly town-lean Tumble because his post leads to a slightly more favorable environment for town. I don't like this post. DC I need you to explain yourself on two things. 1- You say "Town should be trying to solve the game". Now you say it's hard to solve the game at the time of this post because "some of the players haven't even posted yet". BUT the players Tumble are talking about have posted quite a lot already. So this doesn't apply ? What is the motivation that pushed you making this post ? Why do you disagree with Tumble here ? 2 - Why do you don't scumlean either of those guys " yet" ? Cause it seems like yuo plan on scumleaning them later, which doesn't make sense, if they are scummy you should scumlean them now ?
So the post in question was followed by:
On July 21 2016 05:01 DCWasabi wrote:
Fuck, slow-down with the 1-liners everyone.
Want to clarify my stance a bit on the Tumble vs Empc thing as it seems like it is important.
I TR Tumblewood because I think he is trying to promote a good environment for town and he seems to be reading and interested in solving things.
I don't agree with his argument that Empc is necessarily scum though, because I think he actually is playing a bit differently this game... for example I don't see him making "logical leaps" like he did in Onegu or pushing as hard as he did early in that game; so I don't think that you can scum read him just off of Meta.
Tumble vs Empc seems T v T initially.
Let's focus on some not-useless shit.
I gotta get back to work for a bit, but I will be around...
So especially point 2 from rels is really put into question.
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@ tumble: can you expand on your point?
On July 21 2016 22:36 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 12:07 Tumblewood wrote:lol just remembered I have two quotes open in other tabs On July 21 2016 05:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
scum
1) Prplhz
6) Rels
7) sicklucker
11) Kruppe the eel
12) Koshi
13) Palmar
kruppe - Isn't he a lot more explicit in his reads than last game? Maybe he's trying harder to look town, because actually he's scum?? the note on kruppe kinda weirds me out but I think kush wouldn't be that obvious probably I think it's a good point by kush regarding kruppe's posting, but you are saying it could be TMI from kush?
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On July 21 2016 23:43 Lunaticman wrote:
It just feels like the votes are not adding up to what ppl are talking about.
I agree, we need to consolidate since right now there are like 6 people being voted for.
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The issue is that I have no idea who scum could be
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On July 21 2016 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:53 Lunaticman wrote:
And can someone please explain why Grackaroni and Palmar voted for nnn_thekushmountains? It's in my filter. I don't think I can explain it any better. My experience with Kush makes me think his tone is off. Town Kush doesn't give a crap. Scum Kush feels some obligation not to fuck over his teammates.
I kind of agree with this, also I did find his scum list pretty underwhelming since he usually only put like max 5 names on the list from what i can recall. This is a pretty stupid point, but he's also been way more active this game than in previous ones from my experience.
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On July 21 2016 23:52 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2016 23:48 emperorchampion wrote:The issue is that I have no idea who scum could be Isn't it hard playing as town? I think Koshi made some good points. But I dont want Palmer to walk especially since he hasn't been active.
Koshi did make some good points. My slight suspicion on kush taints my views of koshi though, since I think that koshi gave a kinda wierd defense of kush.
I dunno, so far I think it's harder to play as mafia, also waaay more stressful!
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On July 22 2016 00:36 prplhz wrote:
Just start stacking votes on Rels and see where it leads.
Pros: He's scum
Cons: Maybe he's town but then we'll figure out something else
But seriously, we need this to go somewhere other than 6 different directions and Rels could absolutely be scum. So start stacking votes on him.
I think i agree with this the most
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