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On July 29 2016 00:46 Grackaroni wrote:So my closing thoughts: Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 00:23 emperorchampion wrote:hahah so there was 1 mafia in grack and sl  but 2 in rels/tumble that was a great bus guys, can't believe town was so all over the place. We got really lucky that after both me and Rels were voting on TW a bunch of townies came to his defense. If someone had just hammered 4 hours before the end of the day, which was looking pretty likely, we'd be in a worse spot. Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 00:25 emperorchampion wrote:
I think the game was pretty good, only thing is that the silent nights were kinda annoying since you want to vent or celebrate after kills.
Balance was maybe maf favoured, but idk mafia just completely outplayed us (me) lol I think the balance was fine. It was just unfortunate for town that I believe Koshi checked Kruppe night 1 and was RB'd night 2 and was left with no checks to use on day 3. My favorite posts from the game: Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 06:12 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe believes in SL's heart and thoughts, but Kruppe believes other conclusions can be drawn.
If tumble is mafia a mafia likely joined the wagon at around 3rd or 4th vote.
So >1 mafia on tumble.
Kruppe does not believe it is unreasonable to think there's a mafia between Skynx and DCWasabi.
Tumble would never vote for himself. Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:56 prplhz wrote:On July 22 2016 00:38 Palmar wrote:
(also, if Lunaticman isn't town this game is amazing, but there's like 99.9% chance he is town because faking this level of fail is really, really difficult).
Also Koshi is mafia.
Also Kush is mafia
Rest I don't know. But maybe not Koshi, but maybe he is. Let's kill Kush though.
Grack should not be lynched, and Kruppe is just a blind luck policy lynch (which is fine and I don't mind). Palmar said 99.99% on d1. Based on tone. A tone he's consistently kept all the way through this game. He didn't even slow down, he just kept going. I don't know why I say this because Grackaroni knew this already and no one else cares. Lesson to take away from the start of day 5: don't place a vote on LYLO in games with hammer. There's too much risk that it will be abused by mafia. I think everyone tried hard and played well. it was just unfortunate for town that day 2 played out the way that it did.
I think the game was decided when Koshi didn't claim cop. It was to easy for the mafia to think of a plan to use his filter to their advantage in hindsight.
The only point that could be used against you was the fact that you didn't die instead of EC. That was suspicious. But I was convinced DC was the other mafia over Rels.
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Why did you people go full bunkers.???
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On July 29 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 00:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Grac won that game with using Koshis list. It was a very nice play.
I'm just confused who the cop checks were.
Yep pushing the idea that Grac / emperor were green checked was super great, both for getting Grac some towncred and justifying the emperor kills. But even without that we would have won pretty easily.
I think if town got DC instead of SL. I would have definetly gone for Rels after that.
But most probable in that scenario would have been DC>Lunaticman>Haze because of town.
Yeah Grac would never have been lynched before me or Skynx anyway.
The only reason to suspect him was if he never got NK by the mafia.
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GG folks. A few thoughts.
A lot of people played well but the scum team played a very, very good and clean game. We managed to get a lot of towncred from 1 member being bused, and managed to keep that towncred by never throwing shade at each other during the rest of the game.
Tumble in particular pulled a GB. He played a pretty bad game at the beginning, got scumread for that pretty early on, but managed to make the bus look like a very natural thing and bought Grab and I a lot of cred. Very good play during D2.
Grac's push on kush D1 was super good, it's hard to be a town leader as scum and Grac just took town by the hand after Kruppe claimed very naturally. Very strong play, kush was a perfect, perfect D1 lynch for scum: strong player that was AFK, no info gained at all. I managed to do that on sicklucker D3 too, and on prp D4. Overall we played very good. Grac also had a good read on Koshi being cop, roleblocking N2 and killing him N3.
About what could town have done better:
Lunatic, stop posting sometimes and just think. A mafia game is almost always not as simple as it looks. Your vote on DC at the end is a good example: this is LYLO with instant hammer, if you're wrong the game is lost instantly. There is nothing wrong with taking the full day to reread and talk about things. You obviously put a lot of effort in this game so I know it's hard to be crushed like that. I would recommand you to play a newbie game with a coach to improve.
prp, you played a good game up until that sicklucker hammer. That was super retarded. When sicklucker left the thread he wasn't the lynch; when he got back he was lynched. It was a super good move for scum to hammer him early, before he could say anything. After that during D4 I understand that you were tired of being scumread all the time and just wanted out of this game. But there was a reason my case on you was super bad and I was the only one not talking about a 2 scum team and was only focusing on you: I was scum and I wanted you to be lynched so the game was over. You could have pressured me on it.
DC, your posts weren't bad at all for a first game of mafia, but you just didn't have the time commitment to play an hard game. Like Lunatic, I would recommend playing a newbie game with a coach.
Finally, Race Bannon. If you ever host again, take it seriously. A host should be invisible to the players and not give any info he has. It's easy to host slip, and you did when you quoted that Shape post from his QT where he called me "scummy". You introduced info to the game that wasn't suppose to be in it.
You can joke around as a player, not as a host. I don't want you to ever host or cohost a game if you don't swear somewhere that you accept being banned from this website if you don't try to be a good host/cohost.
I have nothing but praise to say to the rest. You all played well. Especially Skynx and emperor, you proved that you passed the newb stage. You two played a strong game, sometimes you lose even when playing as good as possible.
You all played well. But the scum played better. ^^
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On July 29 2016 01:17 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 01:05 Rels wrote:On July 29 2016 00:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Grac won that game with using Koshis list. It was a very nice play.
I'm just confused who the cop checks were.
Yep pushing the idea that Grac / emperor were green checked was super great, both for getting Grac some towncred and justifying the emperor kills. But even without that we would have won pretty easily. I think if town got DC instead of SL. I would have definetly gone for Rels after that. But most probable in that scenario would have been DC>Lunaticman>Haze because of town. Yeah Grac would never have been lynched before me or Skynx anyway. The only reason to suspect him was if he never got NK by the mafia.
Yep that is why Grac and I pushed hardcore for a SL lynch. Lynch a strong player, keep DC alive for late game. It was not a random thing that SL got lynched D3. We forced town to lynch him.
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On July 29 2016 01:23 Rels wrote:
GG folks. A few thoughts.
A lot of people played well but the scum team played a very, very good and clean game. We managed to get a lot of towncred from 1 member being bused, and managed to keep that towncred by never throwing shade at each other during the rest of the game.
Tumble in particular pulled a GB. He played a pretty bad game at the beginning, got scumread for that pretty early on, but managed to make the bus look like a very natural thing and bought Grab and I a lot of cred. Very good play during D2.
Grac's push on kush D1 was super good, it's hard to be a town leader as scum and Grac just took town by the hand after Kruppe claimed very naturally. Very strong play, kush was a perfect, perfect D1 lynch for scum: strong player that was AFK, no info gained at all. I managed to do that on sicklucker D3 too, and on prp D4. Overall we played very good. Grac also had a good read on Koshi being cop, roleblocking N2 and killing him N3.
About what could town have done better:
Lunatic, stop posting sometimes and just think. A mafia game is almost always not as simple as it looks. Your vote on DC at the end is a good example: this is LYLO with instant hammer, if you're wrong the game is lost instantly. There is nothing wrong with taking the full day to reread and talk about things. You obviously put a lot of effort in this game so I know it's hard to be crushed like that. I would recommand you to play a newbie game with a coach to improve.
prp, you played a good game up until that sicklucker hammer. That was super retarded. When sicklucker left the thread he wasn't the lynch; when he got back he was lynched. It was a super good move for scum to hammer him early, before he could say anything. After that during D4 I understand that you were tired of being scumread all the time and just wanted out of this game. But there was a reason my case on you was super bad and I was the only one not talking about a 2 scum team and was only focusing on you: I was scum and I wanted you to be lynched so the game was over. You could have pressured me on it.
DC, your posts weren't bad at all for a first game of mafia, but you just didn't have the time commitment to play an hard game. Like Lunatic, I would recommend playing a newbie game with a coach.
Finally, Race Bannon. If you ever host again, take it seriously. A host should be invisible to the players and not give any info he has. It's easy to host slip, and you did when you quoted that Shape post from his QT where he called me "scummy". You introduced info to the game that wasn't suppose to be in it.
You can joke around as a player, not as a host. I don't want you to ever host or cohost a game if you don't swear somewhere that you accept being banned from this website if you don't try to be a good host/cohost.
I have nothing but praise to say to the rest. You all played well. Especially Skynx and emperor, you proved that you passed the newb stage. You two played a strong game, sometimes you lose even when playing as good as possible.
You all played well. But the scum played better. ^^
At that point the mos closed downthe obs qt and declared it .. whatever... quarantined.
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wotistis Grackaroni
07-27-2016
12:23 PM ET (US)
Yep good kill. A lot of these guys don't seem to realize that if we mislynch tomorrow the game is over.
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I call this game diqualified from ®. Too much bs going on. Have a nice one. join onegy
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Grack and Rels... lolololol
wp. Everything is always a possibility but that one was not going to happen.
Knew something was wrong D3 though. I just attacked everybody because everybody was town and then it was an endlesss circle of people that looked town.
fml wp mafia team.
Fuck my copcheck N1...
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I am actually pretty happy I knew DCW and EC were town. But come on... Such ez buss and town still didn't want to lynch Tumble.
Insane when town is so divived on mafia/town wagons and mafia was just full on buss.
Mafia team 100% outplayed town. Doesn't happen often.
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I don't know why prplhz killed himself because I don't read games I am not in anymore put I hope I didn't put too much pressure on him D3. I just didn't know where to look.
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All in all pretty epic D2 lynch.
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Sso sorry
Never gave you your flavor. back
GG
Onegugoggo
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On July 29 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote:
I am actually pretty happy I knew DCW and EC were town. But come on... Such ez buss and town still didn't want to lynch Tumble.
Insane when town is so divived on mafia/town wagons and mafia was just full on buss.
Mafia team 100% outplayed town. Doesn't happen often.
Yeah I think I was just worried about the hammer and looking really scummy afterwards. Like I really thought that tumble was scummy, but since he was being pretty widely town read I had a lot of doubts. I was actually pretty surprised when he flipped GF (but in retrospect he kinda claimed with that whole cop check stuff, but it didn't make sense until after).
It was crazy to think that there were 0 mafia on the grack train, but I guess it should have clicked that means he is mafia as well. I was really 1 step behind mafia all game, so yeah 100% outplayed I agree. It would have been even worse if kruppe wasn't blue lol
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On July 29 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
All in all pretty epic D2 lynch.
yeah that was a lot of fun, thanks to tumble for that 
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Yeah lol, That Info reveal.
The reason I called Rels scummy btw, was early on, Rels Tone was off a bit, and his last post was something I look for when in regards to mafia agenda.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511784-who-needs-72-hours-anyway?user=RelsIf you look at the first few posts since the game starts, It seems Rels is in a Jokey/helpful/Questioning mood. On July 20 2016 19:44 Rels wrote:I see you're trying to get me banned! On July 20 2016 19:47 Rels wrote:
Something needs to be said right now.
We won't ever use the majority vote to end the day early. Barring things like a red check or a fakeclaim ofc.
Longer day is almost always a good thing. More time to solve the game, more time to hear what lynch candidates have to say, no risk of snap lynching a scummy townie that is just AFK.
If you're against that speak now then STFU forever. But then I read these two posts shortly After: On July 20 2016 19:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 19:53 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 19:49 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:44 Lunaticman wrote:On July 20 2016 19:40 Rels wrote:On July 20 2016 19:38 Lunaticman wrote:This post is beyond me, are you saying someone is cheating? No. How much IRL mafia did you play ? About 20 games, with around 8-16 players per game. We usually only played with the standard roles with some flavour such as Medic and Sheriff. But basically vanila mafia. Each game might have lasted around 8 hours per playthrough. I would consider myself an very vocal player but also guilable. Many games have been one or lost because of people spending to much time analyzing my actions. As I always say to myself the silent mafia is the worst mafia... but I digress since this seems very different. How did you play as scum ? I don't think it would be more than subtile differences tbh between me as a townie or mafia, the biggest thing I would say is that as mafia I would probably spend more time analzying the voting tenendcies before speaking. I would also probably try to spend time "mudding the water" raising suspicion on several players at once. I don't think I want to reveal more than that otherwise I would spoil the fun. Usually when I am mafia I make a critical misstake sometimes later in the week but they can be missed... I also have a tenendcy to change play between playthroughs just to not get to predictable. And you if I may ask? How do you play? Why would revealing more about yourself would "spoil the fun" ?I am an active player as either alignment. As town I have the most success finding scum by finding inconsistency in what they say. As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. On July 20 2016 20:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2016 20:17 Lunaticman wrote:
I was expecting emperorchampion to be very active in the beginning since I spectated the last game played (the one with hilary and trump). Maybe he changed his playstyle or maybe he simply asleep.
What do you think Rels? I also have certain expectations for EC p: I fucking hope he rolled scum again that would be hilariousBut him not posting for the first 1h30 of the game doesn't mean anything. Especially since it's like early morning in Canada. The first post isn't too bad, IE. It can come from either side. But the second one really Hit me. Here, he claims to have "certain expectations" for EC. This stands out for a few reasons, One: EC has never rolled town. "certain expectations" to me = meta. Expecting someone to play like X way, is basically meta. Therefore, why does Rel's claim to have a meta figured out on him, if he only has rolled scum? Two: EC is lynchbaity as mafia. More of a fact then anything, that ties into the next point. Three: EC could be Lynchbait as town. And Rels already stated that he tries to hunt Lynchbait as mafia in the first post here: As scum I try to replicate that to destroy lynchbait. And we know, or those who has played with EC before, that EC is pretty Lynchbaity as mafia. Which, would lead to assume, that he would be the same as town, or to a degree. Four: Mafia Agenda. This just pushes mafia agenda Overall. Already, Rels has a reason, unknown to us, to be justified pushing EC. In additional, knowing the player that EC is as scum, it has the potential for EC to be lynchbait, which follows Rel's scum meta.
Overall, I think the mafia team played well. That Bus was beautiful to watch (I like buses) and pretty much set them up for the late game. From what I really read, Koshi played very well as well, and was a joy to watch. SL was close a few times (I remember 1 post where he talked about all three of them.) and a other person I cannot remember.
GG!
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On July 29 2016 01:23 Rels wrote:
GG folks. A few thoughts.
A lot of people played well but the scum team played a very, very good and clean game. We managed to get a lot of towncred from 1 member being bused, and managed to keep that towncred by never throwing shade at each other during the rest of the game.
Tumble in particular pulled a GB. He played a pretty bad game at the beginning, got scumread for that pretty early on, but managed to make the bus look like a very natural thing and bought Grab and I a lot of cred. Very good play during D2.
Grac's push on kush D1 was super good, it's hard to be a town leader as scum and Grac just took town by the hand after Kruppe claimed very naturally. Very strong play, kush was a perfect, perfect D1 lynch for scum: strong player that was AFK, no info gained at all. I managed to do that on sicklucker D3 too, and on prp D4. Overall we played very good. Grac also had a good read on Koshi being cop, roleblocking N2 and killing him N3.
About what could town have done better:
Lunatic, stop posting sometimes and just think. A mafia game is almost always not as simple as it looks. Your vote on DC at the end is a good example: this is LYLO with instant hammer, if you're wrong the game is lost instantly. There is nothing wrong with taking the full day to reread and talk about things. You obviously put a lot of effort in this game so I know it's hard to be crushed like that. I would recommand you to play a newbie game with a coach to improve.
prp, you played a good game up until that sicklucker hammer. That was super retarded. When sicklucker left the thread he wasn't the lynch; when he got back he was lynched. It was a super good move for scum to hammer him early, before he could say anything. After that during D4 I understand that you were tired of being scumread all the time and just wanted out of this game. But there was a reason my case on you was super bad and I was the only one not talking about a 2 scum team and was only focusing on you: I was scum and I wanted you to be lynched so the game was over. You could have pressured me on it.
DC, your posts weren't bad at all for a first game of mafia, but you just didn't have the time commitment to play an hard game. Like Lunatic, I would recommend playing a newbie game with a coach.
Finally, Race Bannon. If you ever host again, take it seriously. A host should be invisible to the players and not give any info he has. It's easy to host slip, and you did when you quoted that Shape post from his QT where he called me "scummy". You introduced info to the game that wasn't suppose to be in it.
You can joke around as a player, not as a host. I don't want you to ever host or cohost a game if you don't swear somewhere that you accept being banned from this website if you don't try to be a good host/cohost.
I have nothing but praise to say to the rest. You all played well. Especially Skynx and emperor, you proved that you passed the newb stage. You two played a strong game, sometimes you lose even when playing as good as possible.
You all played well. But the scum played better. ^^
Yes I agree, and EC had a great point on that there was no mafia on the grac lynch should have suggested Grac was mafia himself.
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On July 29 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
I don't know why prplhz killed himself because I don't read games I am not in anymore put I hope I didn't put too much pressure on him D3. I just didn't know where to look.
This was so bad, I just don't know like that really decided a lot in this game.
Also why didn't you claim when I asked you too do it?
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