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On July 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:
What is sl his angle as mafia to spare dcw? There was a legit chance that DCW was going to get momentum if there is no mafia within Koshi/prplhz.
Yet every mafia refused to go to that lynch?
And don't tell me dcw is mafia because he is town.
Mafia wanted to kill Grack. There are at least 2 mafia on Grack. Tumble + lunatic.
There is a chance that the third mafia is on Grack as well (skynx or sl) but I am townreading skynx pretty heavily now. And sl a bit.
I believe prplhz was the mafia that tried to make the DCW wagon happen with me. And both Tumble and Luna didn't want to be third and waited till there was more town on the wagon to swap.
Here is a good argument for why haze is mafia... Koshi is a bit all over the place but he said DC was town like several times so I guess that moves him down in the rankings sigh.
could it be Skynx/Haze? Skynx/DC? fuck it either way i think everyone on the grac train should die. Followed by DC
Skynx
Haze/DC
#Unvote
#Vote Skynx
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On July 26 2016 23:09 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 20:47 Koshi wrote:
What is sl his angle as mafia to spare dcw? There was a legit chance that DCW was going to get momentum if there is no mafia within Koshi/prplhz.
Yet every mafia refused to go to that lynch?
And don't tell me dcw is mafia because he is town.
Mafia wanted to kill Grack. There are at least 2 mafia on Grack. Tumble + lunatic.
There is a chance that the third mafia is on Grack as well (skynx or sl) but I am townreading skynx pretty heavily now. And sl a bit.
I believe prplhz was the mafia that tried to make the DCW wagon happen with me. And both Tumble and Luna didn't want to be third and waited till there was more town on the wagon to swap. Here is a good argument for why haze is mafia... Koshi is a bit all over the place but he said DC was town like several times so I guess that moves him down in the rankings sigh. could it be Skynx/Haze? Skynx/DC? fuck it either way i think everyone on the grac train should die. Followed by DC Skynx Haze/DC #Unvote #Vote Skynx
Good thing you're confirming yourself bit by bit with every single post.
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Well here's some statistics for you.
Votes so far:
Skynx: Kruppe, Grack, Lunatic
Rels: DCW, Tumble, SL
Lunatic: DCW, Grack, none
DCW: kush, Koshi, SL
emperor: DCW, Tumble, none
haze: Rels, Tumble, SL
Grack: kush, Tumble, SL
100% voting on mislynches: Grack, DCW
50% voting on mislynches: Rels, haze
0% voting on mislynches: Skynx, Lunatic, emperor
Lyncing scum: Rels, Grack, haze
This is a good indication that DCW is misled town, as koshi was suggesting.
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My apologies for confusion this morning.
Have also updated player list with deaths/flips.
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On July 26 2016 23:02 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 22:59 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm going t go through koshis filter a bit and see what he says:
#unvote
#vote DC btw lunatic, who are you trying to convince with your dcw vote?
I just posted why, haze had a good argument.
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Coloring vote counts turns out to be way harder to do than I ever knew, so I'm just going to go with a summary.
Day 1:
I moved the lynch from Kruppe to Kush. A bunch of townies followed me on to Kush (Koshi, Palmar, SL.)
Rels was pushing for a DCW lynch instead. Lunatic and EC followed him onto DCW. DCW voted Kush because that was the alternative to himself. Prplhz voted Kush. Tumble left his vote on Rels instead of moving on Kush or DCW.
I don't think Kush was an absolute lock on day 1 and Rels can be pretty convincing, so there was some risk of DCW being lynched on day 1. I doubt that anyone expressed a strong enough town read on Kush that they would have to struggle to justify voting for Kush in a pinch, and they wouldn't stand out for being on the Kush lynch. Thus if mafia DCW was up for lynch day 1, I don't think his teammate is likely to be Lunatic or EC.
Day 2:
I think we all remember what happened here.
Lynch starts out between Tumblewood and Rels. Rels doesn't look like it's going to get a lot of traction. SL comes into the thread and is the biggest defender of TW. Prplhz makes a case on DCW. DCW doesn't gain traction, and a last second wagon forms on me from TW/SL/Skynx/Lunatic. DCW leaves his vote on Koshi. EC and Prplhz both move off of TW and come back on to save me at the end of the day. Rels vote was on TW all day since he wasn't here.
Day 3:
DCW/Koshi/Rels/me/Prplhz kill SL.
Emperorchampion also expresses interest in lynching SL.
Skynx comes out quite townie here at the end of day 3 trying to defend town!SL while me/Koshi/Rels are already on the wagon. I think mafia would probably just keep their mouth shut and hope that SL gets lynched. Koshi probably voted half the players in the game yesterday so there must have been some fear that SL would save himself at the last minute and the lynch would move on to one of them.
On July 26 2016 04:08 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 03:57 Lunaticman wrote:On July 26 2016 03:50 Skynx wrote:
Bah I can't do this all filters are way too long xcept DCW.
I convinced myself emperor and SL are very unlikely mafia for a variety of reasons. More than anything tho, there is no way I'm lynching them over DCW. Luna nearly everyone is agreeing on, I dunno why we don't lynch him. I'm not lynching prplhz.
1st DCW, 2nd Luna. I'm sorry but try to give us your arguments, nothing your saying is making sense to me atm. How is SL town? How am I mafia? (that wasn't already explained) Without quoting, Tone of your reads sound forced to me. They are too based on others opinions, your reasonings behind them, if there are any, are very very surjective. Like "if this is true, then this this and this", you're analytical in your own way but I feel like its not trying to solve the game in any way. You sheep me too much, you sheep Koshi too much. In essence I don't think you have your own opinions on anyone. This is a very safe way of playing scum. SL on the other hand feels quite the opposite. He hasn't posted nearly as much and not all of them are constructive posts but the way he posts is all genuine. He always states his opinions, right or wrong. He has mostly been wrong this game thats why he's getting scumread imo. I think I would have been in exact same position had I not been so agressive. I just think he's town this way.
Lunatic also kind of agreed about SL but he switches his reads every post.
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this is leading nowhere town needs more flips so i will hammer myself if i get the chance
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there is literally no way Lunaticman is scum
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Grackaroni quoted Palmar on why, it was apparent d1 and it's just become more and more apparent as we play
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i still have no idea why we're not killing DCWasabi except for him being wrong
sicklucker said that maybe DCWasabi is just not comfortable bussing in his first scum game which could absolutely be the case
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I'm just parking my vote, I'm cooking food afk.
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On July 26 2016 21:50 emperorchampion wrote:
I mean I don't know how much more clear it could be, if town never hammers, then if anyone hammers we just assume they are mafia. Town never has reason to hammer.
Hammering doesn't make Prplhz mafia. Townies do all sorts of things that aren't ideal for town.
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On July 26 2016 23:33 prplhz wrote:
i still have no idea why we're not killing DCWasabi except for him being wrong
sicklucker said that maybe DCWasabi is just not comfortable bussing in his first scum game which could absolutely be the case
See, Koshi is prolly shouting this in obs qt right now:
DCW being clueless town is one thing. Luna being totally misleading on every post, not trying to make sense and doing everything wrong all at the same time is another. Scum has to find a way of looking townie while being wrong and misleading. Lunatic has done it this game by having a 4312315 page filter and you guys are all buying it unbelievable.
Since you're here, why hammer?
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Thinking about it on my walk here, I'm completely convinced that the team is lunaticman/prplhz.
I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here.
The day 1 stuff with lunatic and tumble makes complete sense where tumble made his push on me and then lunatic was like "oh yeah I'm convinced", then "oh yeah he's town, but I'm still voting for him to put pressure", and tumble didn't call him out on it either (note: I didn't verify that tumble didn't call him out, but I'm pretty certain). Like if lunatic was town, that's sooo many good town points for jumping onto lunatic for some stupid posting. And there is no reason not too IF he is town, since a lynch is a lynch. One other thing, lunatic and tumble both do not seem like the type that would be likely to bus teammates. Other evidence is the "trap" stuff lunatic was posting about at the end of day 2, which was I guess just complete non-sense.
Like start reading from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511784-who-needs-72-hours-anyway?user=Koshi&page=12
Another thing I came across was the stuff from Kruppe, which I'll repost here:
On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker
On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
My wagon was all town?
More evidence against prpl here.
On July 25 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote:
prplhz is mafia.
And for all the insane fucking things Lunatic has done. I think he never ever once said anything about prplhz.
I am sure it is those 2. ggwpnore.
Fuck I can't believe it. Mafia can't hide forever I guess.
It honestly clicked like a puzzle or something on my walk here, I'm sure there is more evidence on prpl, but I'm totally convinced it's them at this point.
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Hey town,
Damn SL was one of us.
I told you that prplz wasn't cop.
I told you there was no red check on me.
Prplz with the hammer before cop can claim (if he had info).
My last big post I said it was SL +1 or Luna +1 and that prpl+1 would be scary.
Well I think it very well is Prpl/Luna after all. But, I wan't to start with Prpl.
## Vote Prpl.
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On July 27 2016 00:13 emperorchampion wrote:Thinking about it on my walk here, I'm completely convinced that the team is lunaticman/prplhz. I can't believe that I didn't piece together that koshi was cop yesterday, especially when he was posting about everybody needing to do the reads thing, since I had the exact same thought at the end of day 2 that we all need to post reads in order to hide our cop in the future since silent nights. His day 1 check was grack (really good check btw lol), and I was probably his day 2 check (likely due to the last minute vote). I know his day 1 check was grack because after grack posted about only towny people voting for tumble (great post btw), koshi switched there as well. He put 2 people as 0% mafia on his last list, grack and I. I am writing this part first to convince you that I'm town and not trying to deceive you at all in this. We should treat both grack and I confirmed town here. The day 1 stuff with lunatic and tumble makes complete sense where tumble made his push on me and then lunatic was like "oh yeah I'm convinced", then "oh yeah he's town, but I'm still voting for him to put pressure", and tumble didn't call him out on it either (note: I didn't verify that tumble didn't call him out, but I'm pretty certain). Like if lunatic was town, that's sooo many good town points for jumping onto lunatic for some stupid posting. And there is no reason not too IF he is town, since a lynch is a lynch. One other thing, lunatic and tumble both do not seem like the type that would be likely to bus teammates. Other evidence is the "trap" stuff lunatic was posting about at the end of day 2, which was I guess just complete non-sense. Like start reading from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511784-who-needs-72-hours-anyway?user=Koshi&page=12Another thing I came across was the stuff from Kruppe, which I'll repost here: Show nested quote +On July 24 2016 06:33 Kruppe the Eel wrote:
Kruppe the Eel(1): Koshi, Prplhz, Grackaroni, Skynx, Sicklucker More evidence against prpl here. Show nested quote +On July 25 2016 17:49 Koshi wrote:
prplhz is mafia.
And for all the insane fucking things Lunatic has done. I think he never ever once said anything about prplhz.
I am sure it is those 2. ggwpnore.
Fuck I can't believe it. Mafia can't hide forever I guess.
It honestly clicked like a puzzle or something on my walk here, I'm sure there is more evidence on prpl, but I'm totally convinced it's them at this point.
jynx, u owe me a coke
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good emp, its important we stay together on this one. Lunatic 1st.
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EC and Skynx you have a history of reading each other well right?
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On July 27 2016 00:15 Grackaroni wrote:
EC and Skynx you have a history of reading each other well right?
I'm willing to take blame on myself if emperor ends up being scum yes. He's scumgame is out there, this isn't one.
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On July 27 2016 00:15 Grackaroni wrote:
EC and Skynx you have a history of reading each other well right?
Well more so skynx, since I've always been mafia lol
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