[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia

On June 21 2016 09:59 Koshi wrote:
I can also make a write up of this game or coach somebody. It depends on how much BH will like to milk my ban though.

On June 23 2016 08:06 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
/out. sorry. Life is licking my butthole dry.

On June 24 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote:

Which one?
+ Show Spoiler [mildly decent lick] +
+ Show Spoiler [Depends on context lick] +
+ Show Spoiler [Sexual lick] +
+ Show Spoiler [Stalker Lick] +
+ Show Spoiler [Jojo Lick] +
+ Show Spoiler [Kush's lick] +

On June 24 2016 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia should probably uncoach and in

On June 24 2016 14:25 Superbia wrote:
Sure, fuck it. /in

On June 24 2016 16:39 Rels wrote:

Nice (=
Assuming no one else /out, game will start today at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) in .

On June 25 2016 06:11 Superbia wrote:
I have this feeling somewhere in a QT tactics are being discussed.

On June 25 2016 06:28 QuickTwist wrote:


EBWOP

On June 25 2016 08:11 QuickTwist wrote:


I only had two posts in the first two pages of the game, here they are:





How are you getting a town read on me because of that?

On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,

Sk might be scum, qt probably town.

On June 25 2016 08:17 Tumblewood wrote:

ya I think rels did in the op have you tried that

On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Let me be honest with you qt.

Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.

Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn

On June 25 2016 08:19 QuickTwist wrote:


How do I know you are not more aware of this as being Mafia?

On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not?

On June 25 2016 08:49 emperorchampion wrote:


I hope you don't put our friendship near your butt, ew.

On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:




You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so.

I believe there's a good chance you're mafia.

On June 25 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:


I'm a bit of a gif newb, butt this seems like the one NSFW obvs

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 25 2016 08:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why?

On June 25 2016 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm scrolling through his newbie game now and I'm really not getting that impression. He was joking around a decent bit in the early game whilst posting reads through it as well here and there. I don't see the sudden disconnect that happened in this game.

On June 25 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote:
Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice.

On June 25 2016 09:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Remember to vote me for mayor

On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote:


Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game.

On June 25 2016 23:00 Chezinu wrote:
oh you said Prez and not Representative. I never considered running for President...

On June 26 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote:



Is that a love letter of some sort or do you have a point with all this? I'm not liking you for president.

I dunno why people want to make you president anyway, you sound like another Moosy just unreadible D1.

On June 26 2016 03:32 QuickTwist wrote:
Who I will not be voting for:

Moosy
Damdred
TT
Art
Chez (possibly)

On June 26 2016 03:51 Tumblewood wrote:
ah screw it I can't keep myself from playing mafia
reads

town
qt
skynx
super

probably also town
gb
art
tt
chez

regular null
damdred
ec

boring null
jealous + Show Spoiler +
jean

scum maybe
moosy
lol what is scumhunting I thought mafia was a game where you just find town

On June 26 2016 04:25 Skynx wrote:

Ah okies my bad. I like that you're not instantly jumping on Chez train.

On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu

Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist

Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion

Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy

Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean

Lean mafia
Ticktock

On June 26 2016 08:13 GlowingBear wrote:


ROFL not that much.

I'm probably making a catch up post in two or three hours

In the meantime, I think we should vote quicktwist for mayor as I think he might be the towniest here.

We have to organise ourselves to vote the two towniest people since the pardonner is the second one with the most votes.

I actually don't have a second name right now but I'll probably find one after I re read everything.

Also vote me.

On June 26 2016 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I had already forgotten you were talking about Superbia and Damdred because that's how little of an impression it left. I just wanted to rile you up a bit as you were riling up others without doing anything yourself.

There is actually a reason I think you're mildly scummy though, and that's in that your 'observations' feel completely useless and I think you're just trying to appear useful with it rather than actually focussing on reading the full game before saying, for one, that Superbia's posts haven't been helpful. I don't understand why you wouldn't just read the entire game, especially one as short as this, before commenting.

On June 26 2016 08:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Feel free to join the queue of people not believing things that are actually true. I don't like hypocrites, so I called you out on scumreading someone for doing something that was true of you as well.

On June 26 2016 08:44 Jean Valjean wrote:


"all the tells" implies that there are some objective things I've done that you can name of the top off your head that you consider to generally be scummy.

Please elaborate on at least three such tells.

On June 26 2016 08:45 Damdred wrote:
Man art these kids now a days have no respect for me trusting you and super over me tsk

On June 26 2016 08:47 Jean Valjean wrote:


I had a look at your filter.

The bad is more important than the good.

None of your posts are actually very helpful in figuring the game out. This is mostly just a gameplay observation, and not really relevant to what I think of your alignment. I would advise you to actually post some kind of useful observations or engaging in a conversation that might push the game forward.

On the other hand, there exists at least one reason to think you're town, but I don't really want to talk about it yet. I'll explain this reason later (probably no later than n1).

On June 26 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Inspector Artanis has proof

Slam admits it was his smurf on the first post in the page after.

On June 26 2016 10:24 emperorchampion wrote:


My advice for you: feel free to continue shit posting :D

On June 26 2016 12:08 emperorchampion wrote:


You think that's a good thing ? XD

On June 26 2016 12:27 GlowingBear wrote:


It definitely isn't.

Remember that Mayor decides day1 lynch and have double votes throughout the whole game. Imagine this catastrophe when we reach LYLO, for example. Double votes in mafia's hand may antecipate town loss. Minus 1 day before LYLO.

Now imagine if it's a townie in the other hand.

It really doesn't matter, guys. We simply have to elect the towniest.

On June 26 2016 13:33 GlowingBear wrote:


1)
a) Discussing that we shouldn't be discussing mechanics and doing nothing else is still a way to discuss mechanics
b) Which is the right track? We can flesh out reads while still deciding the mayor. Taking this as a normal game ISN'T the right way because the Mayor role plays a big part on how this game will unfold.
This post can come from either alignments. I don't see it as alignment indicative.

2) That can be easily fakeable, but I understand where you're coming from.

3) I don't think that post from Superbia was good. Moosy claims Mafia almost every game. Why would Superbia expect that from Moosy? Is there a reason why town Moosy would NOT claim mafia in this game, or that is just an assumption/a paranoia that Moosy would exploit this as Mafia and NEVER do that as town again?

To me, that's just an assumption. There is no reasonable grounds to Superbia's assumption. That's actually a very flimsy way to throw suspicions at someone.

On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.

On June 26 2016 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I will probably spite lynch you if you keep this up btw. Your ego's choking out the game.

On June 26 2016 19:48 Jean Valjean wrote:


"The zebra bravely announces he'll eat the lion".

Good luck Artanis.

On June 26 2016 20:14 Skynx wrote:

There is actually no chance he's mafia you know right?

On June 26 2016 20:21 Jean Valjean wrote:
I will deliberately ignore Moosy and Chezinu for now. While my time is limited I think it is better spent reading people who are actually attempting to play the game. I hope they get checked at some point just to relieve me of the headache of figuring them out.

That means I just have a few more filters to go through before the end of the day. I very much think GB is someone that needs to be looked into, and then there's Jelaous who I don't even remember posting at all.

On June 26 2016 20:28 Jean Valjean wrote:
Also I contest the statement I am a dick. I have been very polite in the way I've pushed you Artanis, I've used mature language and thoroughly explained my read all the way along. The only reason you think I am a dick is because you're on the wrong end of a ten ton lynching machine, that is always uncomfortable.

I am justice, not spite.

On June 26 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote:


That is because I cannot accurately evaluate your alignment until you've provided me with material to work with. No I not think you're town, but I'm also not sold on you being mafia. If your contributions remain to just not do anything and not commit to figuring out the game, then I will be forced to make the call based on more vague evidence.

So yes, currently i'm judging some kind of a vague idea of how smart, sophisticated and analytical I think you can be against what is the reality this game. It's less about tone or meta, and more about just the very content of your posts, and the thought process behind them. Currently I see a player I consider smart and definitely capable of being useful wasting that talent and making no conclusions from it. If that is all I get from you, so be it. If I am wrong because you simply wanted to keep intact some bullshit meta, then so be it too.

See, I know the TL meta lets people get away with being lazy, useless and bad. But I'm not here to adhere to anyone else's meta, I'm building my own.

On June 26 2016 21:51 Superbia wrote:
Who would people vote for for the lynch?

I want to lynch: Moosydoosy

On June 26 2016 21:51 Superbia wrote:
Can everyone do this?

On June 26 2016 23:47 Jean Valjean wrote:
This is pretty important. Damdred, can I count on your support to the presidency?

In addition, I'd like for some of the more obvious supporters of my campaign, like stynx, QT and Tictock to start endorsing the campaign.

As for the person I will lynch, it is most likely going to be Artanis. I will re-read him before making a final decision, but I am fairly confident he's going to flip mafia. The alternatives are essentally lynching into the afk people or trolls (chez, moosy, GB and Jealous) There is absolutely mafia in that group but I do not know which ones.

I am also awaiting some colored Chez lists, those will be a great help in understanding his motivations this game.

On June 26 2016 23:49 Damdred wrote:
Oh I forgot qt

Just totally town early game by tone, his activity level and his I,involvement. The way he handled the pressure from art was great, he's not stiff and he's pressuring people. His thoughts seem genuine and he isn't holding anything back.

Super likely town .

On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily

On June 27 2016 00:38 Jean Valjean wrote:

This is not incorrect, as mafia can never lynch me. My greatest strength in mafia is that I can beat people into submission with arguments and words, but I'm also perceptive enough to understand my potential weakness.

I would love if you could play around the tunneling part. The one thing I can ask of you is that you clearly indicate your number one scumread (ticktock, I suppose?) and that you build a good, readable case on him that can be reposted and referenced easily farther down the line in the game.

The best case scenario is that your case proves you're not mafia and you avoid the lynch, but a close alternative is that even if myself, and a number of other players you think are town, are completely wrong on you and you flip town, you have left something that we can use in the following days to right the ship. No matter if you get lynched you still have a responsibility to try to win the game for your faction, and if your faction is town, you should work on creating a case that town can get behind, either today, or the following days after you're gone.

My weakness is that I am not always right, I can be wrong, and it can be very difficult to be wrong for such a strong leader as myself, so I need other players to keep me in check.

On June 27 2016 02:10 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred I have no recollection of when you said this or whether you're here but why are you giving ec a free pass for d1?
also jean and art lay off I'm 90% sure that's a TvT argument you've got going

On June 27 2016 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw I'm inactive right now because I'm working. Tomorrow is the first day of a theatre play we've being working on for months and I am rehearsing right now

On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:


This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it.

On June 27 2016 02:49 QuickTwist wrote:


These arguments Art is bringing up just reeks of Scum.

On June 27 2016 02:49 Jean Valjean wrote:
The following is actually a very well thought out post. I am completely removing Jealous from the table as a potential lynch candidate day 1. This doesn't of course mean he is a lock townread forever, but the thought process he shows here, while occasionally slightly flawed (I'll respond to specifics later in this post), means he's actually thinking about the game in a very strategic kind of way.

The reason I am responding to this post in detail is that I believe it is good form to respond to people who actually put thought into the way they play the game. I'm hoping to win Jealous over as an ally in the coming days.



You are entirely correct. The point is, anyone running for presidency is going to need to make an impression on town. I decided that because I had more time than expected today, I would push for the spot (also, the other options mostly sucked). If I do not push the idea that I'm a strong candidate, there is no chance for me to succeed. I have no meta, no name recognition, nothing to go on except what I say and do this game. I needed, more than anyone else, to push myself ahead of the group.

The important part, and the part you must not miss, is that all this is true whatever my alignment is. Some people have overestimated me being town on this basis, and you seem to overestimate me being scum. The important part is you cannot find my alignment just based on this, you need to actually look at my reads and my insights, rather than my words and my platform, to deduce my alignment.



Yes, but again, so would someone who is simply afk as town. I had real life obligations yesterday and was unable to participate much. I have had more time than expected today, which has been great.



Yes, I'm good at arguing and I can push my ideas heavily when needed. But it is extremely difficult to do what I'm doing as mafia. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very difficult and I don't think many scum players are capable of doing it.

Also, the reason I tend to attack people based on some expectation of their play, is that it's a cleverly aggressive way to point out something they did wrong. If I put a person in a position with limited options, for example when I say Artanis is good enough to townread me and if he doesn't he must be mafia, it is more likely the person screws up. It's simply an interrogation tactic.

Artanis might still be mafia but I feel far less certain than before. I'm not a huge fan of him giving up because I know Artanis is a generally jolly and relaxed, but I guess it doesn't necessarily make him mafia. His mafia game is more trolly than resigned, and there is a very real chance his frustration with being pushed is actually real.

I don't know right now and I'm sort of waffling on lynching Artanis.



I simply do that for readability and transparency. I think, if anything, the conciseness of my posts should indicate that at least if I'm mafia, I'm not using the tactic of shitting up the thread with useless posts.



I have support because I am far better than all the alternatives. No, I am not a player you can simply look at and your eyes are filled with a neon-green light. Due to the fact that I'm articulate, people tend to assume I am capable of better scumplay than I really am. But in general the simple solutions tend to be good, which is why in most people's mind, the simple solution that I'm trying in an extremely townie way, is that I'm town. I'm not saying you should not watch out for tryhard scum, it's just that you should also not forget what is most likely in a given situation.

I agree scum should not let town grab the power positions, but experience has taught me that for the most part, scum is extremely bad at pushing for these positions. I think it happens very rarely that mafia actually gets their candidate voted into power, it's just too much effort and very difficult to do.

On June 27 2016 03:05 GlowingBear wrote:


Yes Moosy, unfortunately. As I said, you were reacting naturally to the information that was posted in the thread. Sadly, you think that claiming scum is cool and helps you to catch scum. It isn't.