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On June 26 2016 12:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 12:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:07 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:48 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:14 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
The fact that you're trying to discredit quicktwist while still calling him town makes me very suspicious of you. I'm saying that his style of play is not well suited to leadership. Do you have a better option? At the moment I think that tumble or super are better. Are you comfortable with calling them almost-confirmed town? If so, what makes you think they're town? Also, what kind of approach do you think they have which makes them suitable to be president? No, I don't think I'm comfortable calling them almost-confirmed town at this point. But I put them in a similar boat with QT. I think they have a more stable, considering play style, whereas I find QT more erratic. . So, you're saying that QT, Tumble and Superbia are basically at the same level of towniness, is that right? I'd like you to specify to me what exactly made you think they are town. That's quite the order! I don't think I have time to make it exact so this synopsis will have to suffice: Super: I see a very similar style of game play to what I saw last game when he was town. I think that his posts have been pretty on point. Tumble: I think that he has been open with his thoughts, and I like the direction that he has been giving to the game so far. Many of his thoughts I find are echoing mine. QT: I find that his posts have been very reminiscent of the last game. I think that he has shown consideration of the game so far. I have no problem with your Tumble and QT reads, but I don't understand what you like on Superbia. I went to his filter and I saw a lot of questions with no follow-up to them. Also, I saw him town leaning on Jean Valjean when he had like just 1 post that was null at best. I don't really understand how his posts have been on point. Also, do you have any idea how Superbia's scum meta is? Because although he might be playing a similar game to his last one, it doesn't necessarily mean he is town if his scum meta is pretty much the same as his mafia meta.
Btw can you quote a post where you think he was "on point"?
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On June 26 2016 12:43 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 12:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 12:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:07 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:48 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:14 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:
The fact that you're trying to discredit quicktwist while still calling him town makes me very suspicious of you. I'm saying that his style of play is not well suited to leadership. Do you have a better option? At the moment I think that tumble or super are better. Are you comfortable with calling them almost-confirmed town? If so, what makes you think they're town? Also, what kind of approach do you think they have which makes them suitable to be president? No, I don't think I'm comfortable calling them almost-confirmed town at this point. But I put them in a similar boat with QT. I think they have a more stable, considering play style, whereas I find QT more erratic. . So, you're saying that QT, Tumble and Superbia are basically at the same level of towniness, is that right? I'd like you to specify to me what exactly made you think they are town. That's quite the order! I don't think I have time to make it exact so this synopsis will have to suffice: Super: I see a very similar style of game play to what I saw last game when he was town. I think that his posts have been pretty on point. Tumble: I think that he has been open with his thoughts, and I like the direction that he has been giving to the game so far. Many of his thoughts I find are echoing mine. QT: I find that his posts have been very reminiscent of the last game. I think that he has shown consideration of the game so far. I have no problem with your Tumble and QT reads, but I don't understand what you like on Superbia. I went to his filter and I saw a lot of questions with no follow-up to them. Also, I saw him town leaning on Jean Valjean when he had like just 1 post that was null at best. I don't really understand how his posts have been on point. Also, do you have any idea how Superbia's scum meta is? Because although he might be playing a similar game to his last one, it doesn't necessarily mean he is town if his scum meta is pretty much the same as his mafia meta. How do you not find fault with my QT read, but then with my Super read?
Because I think QT has shown consideration of the game so far but Superbia has never been on point. Superbia is null at best for me.
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On June 26 2016 12:44 Tumblewood wrote:
gb, if you had straight null on someone, that's 10/13 = about 77% town. choosing between 77% town who is good and 100% town who is not, 77% of the time the first guy is the better play.
consider someone who you read town. move it up to 85% or 90% town. nearly every time, putting them in mayor is the correct play. I have a 90% read on super so yeah easy choice.
I'd rather have 100% certainty than risking a 77% certainty.
Why do you have 90% on Superbia?
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On June 26 2016 12:50 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 12:37 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:34 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 12:10 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:07 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:48 emperorchampion wrote:On June 26 2016 11:31 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 11:14 emperorchampion wrote:
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I'm saying that his style of play is not well suited to leadership. Do you have a better option? At the moment I think that tumble or super are better. Are you comfortable with calling them almost-confirmed town? If so, what makes you think they're town? Also, what kind of approach do you think they have which makes them suitable to be president? No, I don't think I'm comfortable calling them almost-confirmed town at this point. But I put them in a similar boat with QT. I think they have a more stable, considering play style, whereas I find QT more erratic. . So, you're saying that QT, Tumble and Superbia are basically at the same level of towniness, is that right? I'd like you to specify to me what exactly made you think they are town. That's quite the order! I don't think I have time to make it exact so this synopsis will have to suffice: Super: I see a very similar style of game play to what I saw last game when he was town. I think that his posts have been pretty on point. Tumble: I think that he has been open with his thoughts, and I like the direction that he has been giving to the game so far. Many of his thoughts I find are echoing mine. QT: I find that his posts have been very reminiscent of the last game. I think that he has shown consideration of the game so far. I have no problem with your Tumble and QT reads, but I don't understand what you like on Superbia. I went to his filter and I saw a lot of questions with no follow-up to them. Also, I saw him town leaning on Jean Valjean when he had like just 1 post that was null at best. I don't really understand how his posts have been on point. Also, do you have any idea how Superbia's scum meta is? Because although he might be playing a similar game to his last one, it doesn't necessarily mean he is town if his scum meta is pretty much the same as his mafia meta. Btw can you quote a post where you think he was "on point"? So I'll pussy(cat) out on the question answering stand-off since I'm heading to bed meow. Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 21:22 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to go with mainly gut again bc that actually worked out pretty well last d1.
Town:
- Art
- TW
- QT
Almost there:
- Chez
- TT
- Jin Valjean
- Damdred
- GB (least sure)
Somewhere:
- EC
- Skynx
On their way out of here:
- Moosy
- Jealous
This is Superbia being on point?
The post where he puts a guy as probably town for his opening only?
Yeah, I can't trust you. You might be mafia.
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On June 26 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 12:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:44 Tumblewood wrote:
gb, if you had straight null on someone, that's 10/13 = about 77% town. choosing between 77% town who is good and 100% town who is not, 77% of the time the first guy is the better play.
consider someone who you read town. move it up to 85% or 90% town. nearly every time, putting them in mayor is the correct play. I have a 90% read on super so yeah easy choice. I'd rather have 100% certainty than risking a 77% certainty. Why do you have 90% on Superbia? a couple posts I liked. first is this one: Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 07:45 Superbia wrote:
Oh and also this president thing is kinda cute and all but I'm going to take the free townie points and say we should drop it and play a normal game for now. We can spend the second part of the day deciding how we want to orchestrate the president thing. I have a few thoughts surrounding it but need to flesh them out. a) easier for mafia to discuss mechanics than reads b) last part implies he actually cares about putting town on the right track (prefers to flesh out his thoughts vs. spitting them out when he has them) Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 21:22 Superbia wrote:
That list is probably actually really really good rare that mafia actually takes pride in their reads Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. smart post. isn't that the gold standard for reading superbia? also feeeels
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a) Discussing that we shouldn't be discussing mechanics and doing nothing else is still a way to discuss mechanics
b) Which is the right track? We can flesh out reads while still deciding the mayor. Taking this as a normal game ISN'T the right way because the Mayor role plays a big part on how this game will unfold.
This post can come from either alignments. I don't see it as alignment indicative.
2) That can be easily fakeable, but I understand where you're coming from.
3) I don't think that post from Superbia was good. Moosy claims Mafia almost every game. Why would Superbia expect that from Moosy? Is there a reason why town Moosy would NOT claim mafia in this game, or that is just an assumption/a paranoia that Moosy would exploit this as Mafia and NEVER do that as town again?
To me, that's just an assumption. There is no reasonable grounds to Superbia's assumption. That's actually a very flimsy way to throw suspicions at someone.
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Understand that I'm throwing my thoughts about how I don't think those posts makes Superbia town not because I am scumreading Superbia at the moment (I'm not, I have it at the scummy part of null, but still null), but because I find important to discuss how towny people are this day1.
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On June 26 2016 13:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 13:33 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 26 2016 12:54 GlowingBear wrote:On June 26 2016 12:44 Tumblewood wrote:
gb, if you had straight null on someone, that's 10/13 = about 77% town. choosing between 77% town who is good and 100% town who is not, 77% of the time the first guy is the better play.
consider someone who you read town. move it up to 85% or 90% town. nearly every time, putting them in mayor is the correct play. I have a 90% read on super so yeah easy choice. I'd rather have 100% certainty than risking a 77% certainty. Why do you have 90% on Superbia? a couple posts I liked. first is this one: On June 25 2016 07:45 Superbia wrote:
Oh and also this president thing is kinda cute and all but I'm going to take the free townie points and say we should drop it and play a normal game for now. We can spend the second part of the day deciding how we want to orchestrate the president thing. I have a few thoughts surrounding it but need to flesh them out. a) easier for mafia to discuss mechanics than reads b) last part implies he actually cares about putting town on the right track (prefers to flesh out his thoughts vs. spitting them out when he has them) On June 25 2016 21:22 Superbia wrote:
That list is probably actually really really good rare that mafia actually takes pride in their reads On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. smart post. isn't that the gold standard for reading superbia? also feeeels 1) a) Discussing that we shouldn't be discussing mechanics and doing nothing else is still a way to discuss mechanics b) Which is the right track? We can flesh out reads while still deciding the mayor. Taking this as a normal game ISN'T the right way because the Mayor role plays a big part on how this game will unfold. This post can come from either alignments. I don't see it as alignment indicative. 2) That can be easily fakeable, but I understand where you're coming from. 3) I don't think that post from Superbia was good. Moosy claims Mafia almost every game. Why would Superbia expect that from Moosy? Is there a reason why town Moosy would NOT claim mafia in this game, or that is just an assumption/a paranoia that Moosy would exploit this as Mafia and NEVER do that as town again? To me, that's just an assumption. There is no reasonable grounds to Superbia's assumption. That's actually a very flimsy way to throw suspicions at someone. this is a bad post because it's defending me. gb 98% mafia nice pocket play 10/10
I'm not defending you, I'm arguing that you could be coming from both alignments and that makes Superbia's post not really good.
In the other hand, I have a gut feeling that you're town anyway, so whatever.
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On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote:
What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on.
Auto-lynching you for this.
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Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily
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Jean Valjean is very logical. That scares me because although I don't dislike his posts he seems very stiff. Argh
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On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote:
Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move).
Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players.
As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people:
Artanis
Damdred
Chez
Tumble
Superbia
Jean
QT
In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that.
That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this:
Moosy
Jealous
Tictock
emperorchampion
So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list?
Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred?
What are YOUR reads?
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On June 27 2016 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I expect an apology after I flip town.
Art you've just said that I am not caring for the game and that I have a bad time to be active as scum.
The first part is a lie, I'm very interested I the game and I already have a strong opinion on players, and the second part is true only after day 1s, but is also true for town.
You're calling me scum for lies, man. You could've just read me?
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On June 27 2016 00:09 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 00:08 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote:
Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move).
Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players.
As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people:
Artanis
Damdred
Chez
Tumble
Superbia
Jean
QT
In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that.
That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this:
Moosy
Jealous
Tictock
emperorchampion
So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list?
Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred? What are YOUR reads? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807942No one in the game has better documented their reads than have I. This post by you is very strange GB.
Oh, that's right. I'm sorry
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We are disorganising ourselves. We'd rather consolidate
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Superbia, what are your reads?
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On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote:Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die.
Ok but I need townreads
We have to decide the mayor and the pardonner
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On June 27 2016 00:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2016 00:26 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 00:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, what are your reads? Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. Ok but I need townreads We have to decide the mayor and the pardonner Mayor = me. Pardonner can be tumble or jean.
Mayor needs to be me.
Why not me?
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On June 27 2016 00:31 Superbia wrote:
hbu?
I had QT as top town for the way he was engaging the thread. But he isn't here anymore. Kinda dropped a little but still my top town.
I have Tumble as probably town for his interest in the game and the way he was putting thoughts on what I've wrote. Downside is that I don't remember him giving any reads.
I had you as null to scummy but I like the way you came back to the thread. You're leaning town.
Damdred is leaning scum. I think most of his posts are disinterested, and that makes me suspicious of him. He is not naturally reacting to what has been posted but he is here. He just, from times to times, post reads and chill. The problem is that his town passes looks like the town passes he would give as town.
Moosy I have a gut feeling he is town. Mostly because he was naturally reacting to what I have been posting in here.
I don't know about jealous
I don't know about TT (I have a gut feeling he might be town)
Jean Valjean has very good posts and the only thing that gives me pause is his stiffness. Other than that, a townread.
Artanis usually follows the thread and inquire people more as town than when he is Mafia. I've seen him too defensive in this game. Actually, his approach to the thread seems quite similar to the last game where we played together where he was Mafia.
EC is my lynch of choice today. He needlessly discredited QT for mayor while still townreading him. Had very faint reads on his three townreads (the one on you was the worst). When I inquired him to explain he basically dodged, and when I asked a quotation on where you have being on point, he quoted your list post where you actually were very obscure on why Jean Valjean, with one post at the moment, was almost top town. It felt like he was simply making that up, not really believing in what he said.
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Oh btw I completely ignored chez and skynx in the game.
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