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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:03 GMT
#2151
ok I was gone for less time than expected
rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:08 GMT
#2154
On June 21 2016 02:46 Rels wrote:
Yep Tumble let's fight. I'm decided.

VE, SL: I'm asking for a DUEL with Tumble. Leave your vote on Palmar, so it's 3-2 Palmar-Rels. That's a risk you have to take. I'm taking it too.
If Palmar is not scum, the game is lost. That's part of the risk. He's very very likely scum though: town!Palmar appears decisive but he's actually always doubting and thinking about the game. He wouldn't 100% scumread me for all these days over something I'm known to do, IE tunneling someone because of only one post. But never once did he showed doubts about me.

Now if VE and SL are scum with palmar, the scum in there will switch to me and we lose the game right there. That is the risk I'm taking.
If no switch happens AND Palmar is scum, then VE and SL are confirmed town. And Tumble will be confirmed scum, and from his POV I will be the only one left to be pushed. 1V1 fight

there's something to make of this for sure
hold on while I think about things

...

alright I've got it
in a world where rels is with palmar rels is committing suicide but probably banking on his plan not working.
in a world where rels is with ve rels is hoping to get his one out mislynched today. that would definitely make sense.
in a world where ve is with palmar rels is a scrub.
hm maybe there wasn't anything to make of this
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:11 GMT
#2156
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:13 GMT
#2158
On June 21 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
Now my answer:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:03 Tumblewood wrote:
ok I was gone for less time than expected
rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads?

1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that.
2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change.

what I did not "100% right" though, it's 3 for 5. plus if I were scum I know not to be super right because being good is probably a scumtell for me.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:13 GMT
#2160
On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card

But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ?

that was a feeling I was harboring for a while
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:16 GMT
#2163
I can't tell if the latest interactions between palmar and rels are genuine (aka palmar is town) or really good distancing
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:18 GMT
#2164
man it's really easy to see how scummy rels is when you start with the assumption that he's scum
ve too
palmar almost
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:25 GMT
#2171
On June 21 2016 03:19 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card

But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ?

that was a feeling I was harboring for a while

So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ?

I ignored them when I went over them the first time
the second time I noticed that both you and ve don't think the other is scum which is weird because all of you/ve/palmar should be hard-scumreading the other two. I'd also expect more of a bus but then again if you can get away with a 3-2 vote for palmar why wouldn't you?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:26 GMT
#2172
On June 21 2016 03:23 sicklucker wrote:
yes. and holy shit if mafia decides to kill ve over me were gonna have another rels/tumble/sl final 3. no thank you

please this time it's going to be really easy because this time I am obv town
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:26 GMT
#2174
On June 21 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:
also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo

That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ?

> tfw rels realizes he's going to lose the duel so he calls it off
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:31 GMT
#2177
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:44 GMT
#2190
On June 21 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)

Did you already explain this ?

like the part where you're scum? yeah. it's not like palmar and ve don't make sense together as a team, it's that scumminess is distributed 50.5% palmar 50.5% ve 99% you
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:47 GMT
#2196
palmar stop being a dumbface and tell me about ve
here, I'll even create a fill-in-the-blanks for you:

Hi! My name is Palmar. My favorite hobbies include kicking puppies and not playing mafia, but today I want to tell you about a player named VisceraEyes. He is _____ this game because _______________.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#2199
On June 21 2016 03:46 Rels wrote:
This doesn't make sense. VE / Palmar doesn't make sense because I am so scum ?

simple math
2 scum left. subtract 1 rels and you get 1 scum. ve and palmar would be 2 scums and 2 is more than 1, so ve and palmar can't both be scum.
I admit I shouldn't be so certain of it but there is notuniverse where I vote both ve and palmar over you.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#2204
On June 21 2016 03:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)

Did you already explain this ?

like the part where you're scum? yeah. it's not like palmar and ve don't make sense together as a team, it's that scumminess is distributed 50.5% palmar 50.5% ve 99% you

Then why are you not OK killing Palmar ? You said all these things about Palmar being scum and VE being town.

pls my last five posts about ve have been "ve is maybe scum but hmmm I'm not sure" so of course I wouldn't want to coinflip on palmar/ve yet.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:53 GMT
#2208
On June 21 2016 03:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:49 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:46 Rels wrote:
This doesn't make sense. VE / Palmar doesn't make sense because I am so scum ?

simple math
2 scum left. subtract 1 rels and you get 1 scum. ve and palmar would be 2 scums and 2 is more than 1, so ve and palmar can't both be scum.
I admit I shouldn't be so certain of it but there is notuniverse where I vote both ve and palmar over you.

Which is why you're scum. Town do not have this kind of certainty

lol town tunnel all the time. remember jat game where I tunneled rsoul (I called her confscum several times) until she was NK'd? or xxi where tt tunneled super all game?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:55 GMT
#2210
On June 21 2016 03:54 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:53 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:49 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:46 Rels wrote:
This doesn't make sense. VE / Palmar doesn't make sense because I am so scum ?

simple math
2 scum left. subtract 1 rels and you get 1 scum. ve and palmar would be 2 scums and 2 is more than 1, so ve and palmar can't both be scum.
I admit I shouldn't be so certain of it but there is notuniverse where I vote both ve and palmar over you.

Which is why you're scum. Town do not have this kind of certainty

lol town tunnel all the time. remember jat game where I tunneled rsoul (I called her confscum several times) until she was NK'd? or xxi where tt tunneled super all game?

And what happened before the end of the game ?

BESIDES THE POINT
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:58 GMT
#2212
rels: calls everything his target does scum for bad reasons
me: those reasons are bad
rels: but see the scum motivation?
me: but why is it that motivation and not a townie motivation
rels: because scum wants to do this
me: no that's still bad
rels: no you're bad

they say the winner writes history
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 18:59 GMT
#2213
On June 21 2016 03:58 Rels wrote:
Tumble you have so many "XXX what do you think of YYY"' in your filter I don't know how I didn't catch this earlier. It looks like you said to yourself "OK I'm gonna be really questionning people this game" when the game started. And you usually do nothing with the answer.

I usually don't get an answer + Show Spoiler +
*cough cough PALMAR VE*
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 20 2016 19:01 GMT
#2216
yeah I'm not spending another day yelling at rels
sl please switch pretty please
good times for all
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