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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:02 GMT
#2150
On June 21 2016 03:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote:
On June 09 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote:
tumblewood esteemed even more 100% accurate reads list

really town
sl
koshi
shape
damdred
ls

townish
wbg

null
palmar
kelsier
chezinu

could lynch
rels

would lynch
ve

So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell


mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it?

Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:06 GMT
#2152
On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:00 Palmar wrote:
On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote:
On June 09 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote:
tumblewood esteemed even more 100% accurate reads list

really town
sl
koshi
shape
damdred
ls

townish
wbg

null
palmar
kelsier
chezinu

could lynch
rels

would lynch
ve

So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell


mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it?

Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game

Like, this is what I expect from town!you. From PYP where I was scum and you got me lynched:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 01 2016 07:00 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 06:52 Tictock wrote:
On February 01 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote:
On February 01 2016 05:51 Tictock wrote:
I'm still pretty much at only wanting to lynch Rels or Cake.

If nothing else hopefully Super shoots one of those 2 if you guys lynch me.

I'm also sticking with my initial target for the Ban, I'll announce it near EoD if I can step off the floor for a sec at work.

Why not shining?


I think he's town. Why do you guys think he's mafia?

Ban player either takes the RB or they have no vote tomorrow, one or the other has to happen.

I don't really think he's mafia. But the options is this.

Superbia and I are not getting lynched. If one of us is mafia the game is over.

there were 2 mafia kp last night. 1 was likely by disfo.

CC couldn't have delivered 1, because she would have been roleblocked if she tracked mafia delivering a kp.
sl claims a roleblock, which can be explained by koshi.
you claim a roleblock, which can be explained by the vanilla virus.

This leaves ONLY 2 people:

shining
rels

One of which must have delivered the other mafia KP. (unless one of the roleblocks is a lie).

Shining has like... 6 pages of filter, rels has 22 or something. There is a very good statistical reason to lynch shining over rels.


On February 01 2016 07:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
I THINK THE BEST PLAY IS TO LYNCH RELS AND ROLEBLOCK SHINING.

but thats me and im sure it wont be popular. Its risky to leave rels alive because he can save himself

you know what, screw it.

let's lynch rels for no good reason.

On February 01 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote:
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On February 01 2016 07:58 Rels wrote:
On February 01 2016 07:57 Palmar wrote:
On February 01 2016 07:54 Rels wrote:
On February 01 2016 07:52 Palmar wrote:
unless I'm misunderstanding the roles, which is certainly a possibility, I'm terrible with mechanics.

You are.
Listen, I understand your pov. I should be convinced that shining is scum. I don't think he is though, do I think this other possibility is what happened.
Disfo shot koshi, koshi hadd put a bomb on keir n2 so keit explodes
TT and copcake are scum

did koshi breadcrumb or claim that?

I asked you a question before I think. What did koshi do n2 ?

I don't care and you're the one getting lynched.

On February 01 2016 08:22 Palmar wrote:
No we just got all the good roles killed.

I'm so fucking uncertain.

Rels is not wrong, koshi did not say what he did n2 as I can find.

On February 01 2016 08:26 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 08:24 Rels wrote:
On February 01 2016 08:22 Palmar wrote:
No we just got all the good roles killed.

I'm so fucking uncertain.

Rels is not wrong, koshi did not say what he did n2 as I can find.

That feels so good to hear that
I feel I have a super hard time explaining what seem super logical to me

No your explanation is fine.

But a much simpler explanation is that koshi randomly roleblocked scum or something (like disfo) who didn't carry kp and that guy didn't claim it and koshi didn't really think about it. or that he blocked alot, of course.

On February 01 2016 08:31 Palmar wrote:
fuck it let's kill shining then?

On February 01 2016 08:38 Palmar wrote:
I don't care.

I'm going to stay on rels as a revenge for him disagreeing with me on kita day 1.



Another example, the "I don't know what I'm doing" post from the last game when we were lynching marv.
Your mindset this game does not ressemble your town mindset.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:06 GMT
#2153
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:09 GMT
#2155
Now my answer:
On June 21 2016 03:03 Tumblewood wrote:
ok I was gone for less time than expected
rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads?

1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that.
2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:13 GMT
#2157
On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card

But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:14 GMT
#2161
On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:
Now my answer:
On June 21 2016 03:03 Tumblewood wrote:
ok I was gone for less time than expected
rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads?

1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that.
2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change.

what I did not "100% right" though, it's 3 for 5. plus if I were scum I know not to be super right because being good is probably a scumtell for me.

LOL
This is a funny defense (= I hope I'm right and you're scum so we can laugh about it post game (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:15 GMT
#2162
On June 21 2016 03:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:00 Palmar wrote:
On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote:
On June 09 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote:
tumblewood esteemed even more 100% accurate reads list

really town
sl
koshi
shape
damdred
ls

townish
wbg

null
palmar
kelsier
chezinu

could lynch
rels

would lynch
ve

So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell


mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it?

Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game


I am always tunneled as town

If you think that it's no wonder you play like that as scum (=
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:19 GMT
#2165
On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card

But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ?

that was a feeling I was harboring for a while

So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:21 GMT
#2167
On June 21 2016 03:20 sicklucker wrote:
ok my computer seems to be working again for now spent all morning trying to fix it

I DONT CARE
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:22 GMT
#2169
On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:
also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo

That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:26 GMT
#2173
On June 21 2016 03:23 sicklucker wrote:
yes. and holy shit if mafia decides to kill ve over me were gonna have another rels/tumble/sl final 3. no thank you

I don't know what to say to that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:27 GMT
#2175
On June 21 2016 03:26 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:
also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo

That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ?

> tfw rels realizes he's going to lose the duel so he calls it off

Yep I think palmar is the better lynch. But I can't step down from that. Let's fight
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:31 GMT
#2178
On June 21 2016 03:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:19 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:
First this:
On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.

What do you mean ?

What posts are you talking about here ?

generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card

But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ?

that was a feeling I was harboring for a while

So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ?

I ignored them when I went over them the first time
the second time I noticed that both you and ve don't think the other is scum which is weird because all of you/ve/palmar should be hard-scumreading the other two. I'd also expect more of a bus but then again if you can get away with a 3-2 vote for palmar why wouldn't you?

And what about the fact both of us have good arguments against Palmar ? I don't even know why you're not scumreading Palmar anymore
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:34 GMT
#2179
On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)

Did you already explain this ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:39 GMT
#2182
On June 21 2016 03:38 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:21 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:20 sicklucker wrote:
ok my computer seems to be working again for now spent all morning trying to fix it

I DONT CARE

"Look guys how unafraid I am of being lynched. I'm even being crass to the people I need to convince!!!!"

My bro ^^
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:40 GMT
#2184
On June 21 2016 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
shit my computes fucked still. Everything just slows to a crawl and wont load after a few minutes on the boot. I was able to get this tab working before tha happened. any experts know how to find the error. Already ran system restore

No idea. Just go on a phone or on a laptop
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:44 GMT
#2191
This is kinda outside the game but these posts from VE are very unlikely to come from scum, whose game is going pretty well.
The first one alone is not, but the second that followed is.
On June 10 2016 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: VisceraEyes

/salute

On June 10 2016 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, I'm eating the ban. Peace and love bitches. <3

--
On June 12 2016 13:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
As long as Koshi is allowed to remain in the game after his latest bout of posts, I'm fir real not posting on this game again.

On June 12 2016 13:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like there are very explicit rules about how we treat each other in games. We toe the line, but Koshi has gone well pay modkill/replace.

On June 12 2016 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is up to the hosts now. Koshi is modkilled or VE is.

On June 12 2016 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi eats bans for this, he knows better. He's modkilled or I am. I honestly don't care about the outcome of this game while we are both in it.

On June 12 2016 14:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I'm sorry to everyone this affects, the scum team about to win or whatever. I do still want to win, but not with players allowed to speak to each other like that. It's not a game anymore at that point, it's something to be endured and I'm good thanks.

On June 12 2016 14:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't sign up for that shit. And yes, I'm sure he didn't sign up for this shit either, but that doesn't mean he gets to treat people like that.

On June 12 2016 14:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like and he's not even fixing talking to me! He thinks I'm mafia playing him, he's talking to everyone else!

On June 12 2016 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am deadly deadly serious btw, I said it and I meant it earlier, this isn't a game to me anymore. As long as we both are in this game, I'm self moderating it. One of us will be modkilled before D3.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:45 GMT
#2192
On June 21 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)

Did you already explain this ?

like the part where you're scum? yeah. it's not like palmar and ve don't make sense together as a team, it's that scumminess is distributed 50.5% palmar 50.5% ve 99% you

Then why are you not OK killing Palmar ? You said all these things about Palmar being scum and VE being town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:46 GMT
#2194
This doesn't make sense. VE / Palmar doesn't make sense because I am so scum ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 18:48 GMT
#2198
On June 21 2016 03:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 03:45 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:
sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)

Did you already explain this ?

like the part where you're scum? yeah. it's not like palmar and ve don't make sense together as a team, it's that scumminess is distributed 50.5% palmar 50.5% ve 99% you

Then why are you not OK killing Palmar ? You said all these things about Palmar being scum and VE being town.

I think it's the "killing Pálmar loses he game" thing he's worried about

This 'á' is weird.
And it doesn't make sense given his previous reads
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