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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 08:36 GMT
#481
Also Marv, you still around?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 08:37 GMT
#482
Going to make some breakfast, I'll be back in a bit.
Minimal effort.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
May 25 2016 09:52 GMT
#483
On May 25 2016 15:32 marvellosity wrote:
bleh, i shouldn't have signed up but i really wanted to get a game in with HF :/

i'll see if i can come up with some sort of sensible vote later even if it is via filter.

...
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 10:09 GMT
#484
Meh I may have less time today than I initially thought. Gonna read thread a bit.
Minimal effort.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 10:26 GMT
#485
Alright finally available
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 10:44 GMT
#486
Page 7:
I liked Damdred's reason to push LS (LS not being tinfoily enough about HF + Damdred). Could be town.
I liked LS' reaction to the pressure, as scum I would have expected him to either be fakely emotional or just dismiss it. Could be town.

HF gets 0 credit for this push, fake or not.

I don't like ritoky post announcing he will play the whole game reactively, which is exactly what scum tends to do. I don't like these in his second posts:
On May 24 2016 08:19 ritoky wrote:
- Kush is not mafia with LightningStrike Posts 85-88
- Holyflare is not mafia with Damdred: Posts 87-93

Looks like the exact things a scum would say to look like he's contributing.

I don't like Tumble saying he thinks HF's pressure is fake, then treating it like it is real:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 24 2016 08:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Mmm I'm not on with this LS TMI stuff, seems like Damdred/HF are just going for reactions. Should get the game rolling though.

On May 24 2016 08:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
One can only assume from inference.

I get that you said LS confirmed Koshi town, but I didn't feel there was much conviction in it, like you could see yourself voting him later in the game.

On May 24 2016 14:02 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway

mmmmm I'm gonna contest you on this one, mafia targets the weak link usually at some point but not early early D1. People in mafia have ADHD and can't wagon someone for more than half a day at a time.
HF might be scum but if he is it's for calling a scum slip with 100% certainty when it was kinda iffy.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 10:47 GMT
#487
On May 24 2016 18:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 08:07 Tumblewood wrote:
Mmm I'm not on with this LS TMI stuff, seems like Damdred/HF are just going for reactions. Should get the game rolling though.


Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 08:18 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
One can only assume from inference.

I get that you said LS confirmed Koshi town, but I didn't feel there was much conviction in it, like you could see yourself voting him later in the game.


Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 14:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 24 2016 13:31 sicklucker wrote:
didnt really read any of ls's posts but holyflare targeting the weak link is classic mafia stuff. Like we get it its easy to mislynch ls. im probably wrong but im gonna be an ass about it anyway

mmmmm I'm gonna contest you on this one, mafia targets the weak link usually at some point but not early early D1. People in mafia have ADHD and can't wagon someone for more than half a day at a time.
HF might be scum but if he is it's for calling a scum slip with 100% certainty when it was kinda iffy.


So, which do you think it is? Am I going for reactions or are you suspicious because I called out a scum slip with certainty?

I feel like many of your posts say things that don't reach any conclusions and me no likey.

LOL this is familiar
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 10:55 GMT
#488
On May 25 2016 02:17 Superbia wrote:
Damdred also feels scummy, but one at a time.

Why ?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 11:00:28
May 25 2016 10:59 GMT
#489
Day 1 Votecount

ritoky (3): Superbia, Tumblewood, sicklucker
LightningStrike (2): Holyflare, Damdred, Palmar
Palmar (2): Koshi, LightningStrike
marvellosity (1): nnn_thekushmountains
Superbia (1): Holyflare
justanothertownie (0): Koshi
Tumblewood (0): Holyflare

Not Voting (4): ritoky, Rels, marvellosity, justanothertownie


Do not forget to format your votes correctly.

Day ends Wednesday, May 25 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
You have to place your votes.

table for two on a tv tray
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:00 GMT
#490
On May 25 2016 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:16 Superbia wrote:
Kay I'm here.

HF/JAT. Explain how that point is relevant.

It's pretty self explanatory. If you are interested in a specific read from someone on a certain player then telling your opinion about that exact player in the same post completely defeats the purpose.

On May 25 2016 02:23 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:16 Superbia wrote:
Kay I'm here.

HF/JAT. Explain how that point is relevant.

It's pretty self explanatory. If you are interested in a specific read from someone on a certain player then telling your opinion about that exact player in the same post completely defeats the purpose.


I find it hard to believe that you are this short-sighted as town.

Why am I asking that question?

This is scummy by Superbia. I expect town!Superbia to not do what HF and JAT are attacking him for, and more than that I expect town!Superbia to understand why he's being attacked for that instead of being super defensive. The last game I've played with town!Superbia was resistance V, and he did all kind of smart sneaky stuff about his vote to get scum to slip by voting incorrectly.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:01 GMT
#491
On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk what I was expecting in the game but kinda meh about it.

Could Lynch Palmar, super, tumble today.

Fight me

I will fight on Tumblewood I believe he is town atm. Why am I wrong on Tumblewood?

This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum.

This is a bad read. Scum defends lynchbait townie all the time for exactly this reason.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:03 GMT
#492
On May 25 2016 03:16 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, supers big post explained exactly nothing and his abrasiveness is similar to how he played recently as mafja.

My thoughts too
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 11:05 GMT
#493
On May 25 2016 19:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:17 Superbia wrote:
Damdred also feels scummy, but one at a time.

Why ?


He's on the sidelines. Rereading d1 now and my feeling regarding damdred hasn't changed.
Minimal effort.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 25 2016 11:06 GMT
#494
On May 25 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Please discuss my case guys I beg of you guys to do it.

Case boils down to:

1) Palmar entered weak and got flak.
2) Palmar continued to be weak to maybe hide his shit entrance.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:07 GMT
#495
On May 25 2016 20:05 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 19:55 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:17 Superbia wrote:
Damdred also feels scummy, but one at a time.

Why ?


He's on the sidelines. Rereading d1 now and my feeling regarding damdred hasn't changed.

And what would you expect from him ?
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
May 25 2016 11:09 GMT
#496
On May 25 2016 08:01 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 07:04 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:09 ritoky wrote:
Rito Mafia Check of Tumblewood: (The forgotten file)

On May 24 2016 20:28 Tumblewood wrote:
Theory: 2 or more scum haven't posted yet or have less than three posts
Also theory: Posting at 4 AM is dumb


There exists no town purpose to this post. If you're going to attempt to apply pressure on to inactive players, why refer to them anonymously rather than call them out directly? This does not apply the desired pressure and I find it to be a waste of space and an easy post to make to blanket seem like you're doing something. I sincerely doubt any inactive player felt any heat to post more because of what you said here.

OK, ritbot,
Your case on me is mostly logical and not scummy, except this. This isn't like, "something else I thought was scummy and forgot," this is not even that bad but you're putting it in an unnecessarily negative light. This isn't a critical evaluation of anything, this is "didn't apply pressure" restated 3 times and it doesn't even make me scum. I think you started with the conclusion and fit the reasoning to that.
Actually you know what this whole case sucks. "Posted justification for afkness = scum", "stopped trying to gain insight from the first 8 hours of the game = scum", "said he cared about something = scum", + Show Spoiler +
oh no I'm becoming the real hypocritoky
ritbot confirmed omgus scum ##vote: ritoky for adding shitty reasoning to make his case look better


Rito Response Analysis of Tumblewood:

1) I think your response is telling of a salty mafia who got caught OMGUSing. You can see your progression throughout this post: "Your case on me is mostly logical and not scummy" -> "Let me try to argue this" -> "Man I can't argue this" -> "Call it all shit" -> "OMGUS vote". At no point here do you consider the possibility that Rito Bot is of the town alignment simply because the case called you mafia. You had a conclusion in mind when you wrote this post.

2) Your post lacks any direct response of specificity as to why I am wrong and why your mindset and play is necessarily town. I clearly stated why you are mafia and you made a blanket statement about it all being shit rather than actually comprehend and explain the reasons why I view you as mafia. If you would like them again it is as follows

- Shows tremendous interest in early discussion surrounding HF/Koshi/LS/Damdred/Kush -> leaves the thread -> discussion continues surrounding the issues -> returns to the thread making no comments or conclusions -> clearly did not care about read, which is distinctly different from other reads and displays a level of inconsistency.

- Mafia tend to overexplain away inactivity, you overexplained inactivity.

- Your interactions with LS read as pocketing, his town read of you was not warranted and your response was unwarranted and false. LS could very easily have a mafia motivation there and the specific interaction almost guarantees that 1 of you is mafia.

- Non-town mindset displayed by an over-the-top reaction to a post by Superbia that was mildly town at best.

- Anonymously calling out players who lack activity rather than directly pressuring them is pointless except for the fact that it doesn't directly link you to players by having their names in your post.

Feel free to argue against those, as I feel all of your current responses lack an understanding of the accusations or you are simply in fact mafia.

3) Your town reads are junk. They are entirely responses to players calling you town and display that you are not approaching the game with a critical eye, but simply making friends. Mafia make friends, town find mafia.

1) but I could argue it. look, it has an argument.
2) this is also false. I said it was scummy because you're seeing facts and twisting them to fit your claim.
2.1) I was a scrub and thought HF was serious for far too long, and "HF are you serious was half of the questions I asked.
2.2) this is borderline NAI
2.3) if LS is pocketing someone, it's someone with actual clout (aka not me) and vice-versa. plus he did the same in tortoise as town.
2.4) over the top reaction, apparently: "that was real emotion [getting town points] and if you disagree you're wrong"
2.5) there were so many AFKs that no one would feel pressure even with names.
3) seriously? only LS was because of a TR.
Your points all suck. I don't believe that your read is the result of seeing all these things because half of them are false and the other half don't make me scum.
good times for all
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
May 25 2016 11:09 GMT
#497
On May 25 2016 04:19 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:12 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:46 Superbia wrote:
[quote]

Why?

I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.


Ok, so I see where we disagree here, and I'm talking about a different kind of "agreement", on a more subconscious level. Where your line of thought lines up with the other. That being said:

I know you as a (town-)player that's non-positive (for lack of better word, someone who is not positive) and gives no credit or props or whatever. You don't pander to people as town. This is why I knew you were the last mafia in the last game you played (I skim-obsed it a bit, though I get no credit because I didn't tell anyone lolol). The fact that you call something a "good post" as town already raises my eye-brow. To add to that the fact that you're not even reading the poster town is really fucking weird, and rings my alarm bells.

Can others give some input on this?

I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who ever saw me play town would genuinely think this.

Like, I am actually known for agreeing with people as town. Palmar literally named me parrotman in metal mini mafia.


Lolll what? Not in the games I was in.

What are these games ?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 11:13 GMT
#498
On May 25 2016 20:07 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 20:05 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 19:55 Rels wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:17 Superbia wrote:
Damdred also feels scummy, but one at a time.

Why ?


He's on the sidelines. Rereading d1 now and my feeling regarding damdred hasn't changed.

And what would you expect from him ?


A direction.
Minimal effort.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
May 25 2016 11:13 GMT
#499
On May 25 2016 20:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 25 2016 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Idk what I was expecting in the game but kinda meh about it.

Could Lynch Palmar, super, tumble today.

Fight me

I will fight on Tumblewood I believe he is town atm. Why am I wrong on Tumblewood?

This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum.

This is a bad read. Scum defends lynchbait townie all the time for exactly this reason.

If he defends me he doesn't get other people's town points. Source: this game
He also did it as town in Tortoise.
good times for all
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 25 2016 11:14 GMT
#500
On May 25 2016 20:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 04:19 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:12 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:51 Superbia wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:47 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
I see smart post I agree.

This problem how?


If you're town, and you find yourself agreeing to someone else's posts. Does not not make that person likely to have a town mindset as well, and thereby likely town?

Why are you not reading him town?

It feels like you're backing out because I'm calling you out.

I guess it is my turn now to say that I have a hard time believing you are this short sighted as town, right?


Am I wrong? Having a similar mindset is one of the strongest town tells if applied well.

If I townread HF each game where I agreed with him on some things then I would never scumread him. Same goes for marv and several other players.
This line of reasoning is bullshit and you should know better.


Ok, so I see where we disagree here, and I'm talking about a different kind of "agreement", on a more subconscious level. Where your line of thought lines up with the other. That being said:

I know you as a (town-)player that's non-positive (for lack of better word, someone who is not positive) and gives no credit or props or whatever. You don't pander to people as town. This is why I knew you were the last mafia in the last game you played (I skim-obsed it a bit, though I get no credit because I didn't tell anyone lolol). The fact that you call something a "good post" as town already raises my eye-brow. To add to that the fact that you're not even reading the poster town is really fucking weird, and rings my alarm bells.

Can others give some input on this?

I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone who ever saw me play town would genuinely think this.

Like, I am actually known for agreeing with people as town. Palmar literally named me parrotman in metal mini mafia.


Lolll what? Not in the games I was in.

What are these games ?


Werewolf game (p1p1 or something), storm, something else.
Minimal effort.
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