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nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 03 2016 20:19 GMT
#257
PREGAME READS

1) Emperorchampion - the rare legit newbie
2) Skynx - nothing like sweet sweet newbie
3) QuickTwist - forum mafia world traveler. Super pro, but new to this site.
4)sqrtofneg1 - why is this guy even a newbie? I've played with him before.
5) blkcoffee - kinda like QT in that he's played at other sites, but he doesn't seem like he's going to be as active
6) Jealous - 2 game newbie. from his posts so far, he looks like he's gonna be a lurker. We should PLYNCH d1.

Venturing Vets

1) beentheredonethat - why is this guy under vets? he seems really delightful though. I want to be his friend.
2) Tumblewood - kind of a meany.
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum.
4) darthfoley - slot please me mine
5) Superbia - so last game he bussed hard and made this awesome case against his team mate. be wary of this dirty buser.
6) FecalFeast - disgusting
7)Ticktock - not sure what the difference between this guy and tumblewood is. both names start with t and both play low to moderate activity.


I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 03 2016 20:20 GMT
#258
On June 04 2016 03:46 blkcoffee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2016 02:52 NocturneMage wrote:
On June 04 2016 02:03 Shapelog wrote:
Game will start tonight, darth has have over 24 hours to respond. If he is still a no show in 2 hours, I will put kush in, and put him in replacements.

Game will on 23:00 GMT (+00:00) tonight. Roles will go out a hour earlier, followed by a hour silence till game's start.


Roles out in .
Silence period in .
Game starts in .


what about the hour between roles going out and the silence period?


ya shouldn't silence period happen when roles go out?
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 03 2016 20:38 GMT
#261
SUCK IT DARTH
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 03 2016 23:58 GMT
#401
dear god why are there 20 pages already
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 00:22 GMT
#441
guys i think i found the mafia.

4)sqrtofneg1
1) beentheredonethat
6) FecalFeast
7)Ticktock

##vote sqrtofneg1

btw is TT's filter link in the op is broken
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 01:05 GMT
#480
guys, sqrtneg1
he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup"
but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 01:17 GMT
#484
On June 04 2016 10:12 Jealous wrote:
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On June 04 2016 10:11 Jealous wrote:
On June 04 2016 10:05 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
guys, sqrtneg1
he was here and active when it was just "hello wassup"
but when people started talking actual content, he disappeared.

Whereas you contributed what exactly?

EBWOP

Hyper-active in the pre-game, come Day 1 and you have what, 2 or 3 posts to your name over the course of 10 pages?


the difference is that during pregame I was at work, so I had more free time.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 01:21 GMT
#487
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 01:22 GMT
#488
im trying to lynch a scum, meanwhile niptwist over here is talking about some boring shit that is a billion levels deep and has nothing to do with anything.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 10:49 GMT
#594
Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other,
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 10:51 GMT
#595
Tumble and been there...
It seems really counter intuitive to call someone to wrote so much scum.

I mean he wrote so much that I stopped reading him and assumed he's town.

Are you guys actually still reading qt vs jealous?
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 11:03 GMT
#598
On June 04 2016 19:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hello guys, I caught up. There's a lot already to read into. Based on continuous activity, "careless/fearless" pushes and cool refinements of thoughts, I think Superbia is town and we should regard his thoughts a lot. Almost every single page we currently have contains a post of him, and while initial posts might be banter, I can say that from my experience that starting a game is always kind of rough to do.

Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town.

However that brought me to filtering Tumblewood. The first two pages of his filter are useless. No pushes, no reads, nothing even remotely readable, which, for me, is mafia indicative. Well, page 3 is much better, and I like this line of thoughts:

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On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.

He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.

For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today.

his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended


So I'd also note Tumblewood as town. Besides the players that have not posted yet or do have a very low post activity, my strongest mafia read as of now is MoosyDoosy. His posts do not make sense, they feel rushed, "activity for the sake of activity" to appear townie, and they're partially total offtopic (see the post about CRISPR). Voting himself, while even against the rules afaik, and spitting out a big post:

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On June 04 2016 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I think this is going to be a really slow game unless the newbs talk a lot. None of the vets are big talkers.

BOI I GOT THIS

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On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:3) MooooooosyDooooosy - if he looks scummy, he's town. if he looks townie, he's scum.

lmaoo this is actually pretty tru

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On June 04 2016 06:44 QuickTwist wrote:
GLHF. I sincerely hope I get my ass handed to me. DarthPunk told me the competition here is good. If I am an above average players here, that is going to not reflect very well on this community. You have been warned. I am not very good at this game.

that won't happen w/ this player list. The vets will be too busy squabbling over each other about how someone used emoticons or something while Mafia will get away. :D Basically: competition =/= good at game. It just means we shit on each other a lot more.

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On June 04 2016 08:03 Superbia wrote:
First person to hard claim mafia gets a free d1 read&pass.

I'd like to hard claim Mafia mmmmmmmmm

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On June 04 2016 08:05 QuickTwist wrote:
Hi, I have a PR and I think I should be the first NK.

veteran or mafia

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On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote:
I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason.

veteran or mafia or mafia

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On June 04 2016 08:10 QuickTwist wrote:
I will not be claiming mafia, sorry do much disappoint.

veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia



He is just confusing. There is no straight pattern, and I cannot see a goal that he tries to follow. All he does is stirring up chaos, then disappearing. I think he is scum.

##vote MoosyDoosy




What if I were to tell you that moosy always plays like that as town?
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 11:07 GMT
#600
On June 04 2016 20:02 Jealous wrote:
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On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other,

I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago:

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On June 04 2016 18:18 Jealous wrote:
If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521

The rest is bickering, clarification, etc.


Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1::

1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims).

2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people.

There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again.


I really don't care if you wrote a summary. What you are doing now is bad for town. People are going to be discouraged to read the whole game and it's going to be harder to get a read on those people.
Not every one has as much free time as you.

Too much writing.
Especially because it's mostly 1v1.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 04 2016 11:29 GMT
#602
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.

For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 02:30 GMT
#699
driving from maine to kentucky. please kill me.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 03:24 GMT
#704
On June 05 2016 12:11 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 12:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 10:12 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 05 2016 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.

yes! the worst part of the argument for me is that QuickTwist is not upfront about his explanations. He answers questions in a roundabout manner and gets frustrated when people don't understand him halfway through it. I'm also fairly certain a couple of his explanations were lies such as the tests he seems to keep putting up for Jealous and Tumblewood in making sure they're "paying attention". It could be a sign of a townie very uncomfortable under pressure and lashing out about it, and I've certainly done it before but it's still very bothering for me.


Show me proof of this. The real question here is how do you know?

I can't prove it unless I'm you but that's just the feeling I get. Players do it all the time to get others off their backs.

On June 05 2016 10:16 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 05 2016 03:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 01:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.

yes! the worst part of the argument for me is that QuickTwist is not upfront about his explanations. He answers questions in a roundabout manner and gets frustrated when people don't understand him halfway through it. I'm also fairly certain a couple of his explanations were lies such as the tests he seems to keep putting up for Jealous and Tumblewood in making sure they're "paying attention". It could be a sign of a townie very uncomfortable under pressure and lashing out about it, and I've certainly done it before but it's still very bothering for me.


you have to ask yourself if that is all I've done. Do you think I explained myself well enough with me debate with Jealous? Maybe I'm just not coming up with the way you would answer and that is scummy to you?

As I said in my post, I understand why you would do something like that so that should say to you I've answered like that before. As for whether it's scummy or not, I did say it could be town struggling or scum so that's answered too.

On June 05 2016 10:21 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, I feel like Jealous could be town or scum right now depending.

If he is being honest in saying I am detriment to Town then he is prolly town. If he is being dishonest, then he is just pushing an agenda.

For that reason we need to find out the way Jealous plays this game. IIRC no one has meta on him? This is a problem. So I suggest people try to catch him lying and see where that leads.


On June 05 2016 09:36 Jealous wrote:
On June 05 2016 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 05 2016 09:03 Jealous wrote:
On June 05 2016 06:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The difference is I try to be annoying, vague, terrible, and disgusting at the game on purpose. That is, unless QuickTwist is trying to be all these things too.

Why? Facade so it would be harder to read you?

Well, it's supposed to be bait for D1 ya know? If you play bad,Mafia will go for you thinking you're an easy mislynch. Unfortunately it's just a case of low hanging fruit and I've had Mafia's go for me every game. :D This style's actually worked out every game I've used it in except for two. One where I nailed 2 Mafia on D1 but got lynched because a major town with a lot of pull said to kill me and the second where I was tunneled. But regardless, town's managed to get a Mafia from my antics most of the time. Unfortunately, everyone in TL who's a veteran has pretty much wised up to my antics which means no one falls for my BS anymore. But I find it pretty fun so I just go ahead with the style anyway.

So yeah, I guess it's a facade to make it difficult to read me but at this point every veteran can read me.

I see. Too bad you've shown your hand to all the newcomers as well ^^ Stay safe!

What does tunneled mean btw?

Yeah, there's no point in hiding my meta right now. It's my gimmick against vets but doesn't work against new players. It just distracts them which is a detriment especially with town players like beentheredonethat.

tunneled means focusing on one person so much you can't see anything else and basically convince yourself that you're right.

I see, thanks for the response. Seems like a pretty easy pit to fall into, haha.

Why the hell is new York so big.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 03:43 GMT
#706
ah what... sqrt has been replaced hmm. that alone points scummy because it indicates he doesn't want to f over his scumteam.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 03:46 GMT
#707
On June 05 2016 08:23 scott31337 wrote:
I read QuickTwist's filter since he's the one I'm tied in votes for, and it's 6 pages of one-liners and a couple of magic early townreads and a "Maybe scum" on Tictock. It's pretty bad - wouldn't mind voting for him


weird because i get the opposite impression. Paragraph after paragraph of text coming from mostly QT and Jealous about some argument they are having.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 03:56 GMT
#708
On June 05 2016 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
EBWOP: Is MoosyDoosy able to emulate his town style as scum? thekushmountains, can you answer this?

yes I think he can.
I'm just saying that the things you pointed out are null for him.
nnn_thekushmountains
Profile Joined February 2016
1501 Posts
June 05 2016 10:38 GMT
#732
Strongly considering stfu lynching qt
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