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On June 10 2016 04:16 emperorchampion wrote:
If we are going to do this blue claim thing can we clarify how the role setup works, how I understand is that there are 2 blues: 1 is doctor/vet and 1 is cop/vig?
Uh, so far I see absolutely no reason that we are going to do this. I mean, PRs can do what they want, but I have seen no argument that this isn't just a wholly retarded idea.
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Correct me if I misunderstood the OP - is there guaranteed 4 blue PRs in this game? I was under the impression that this wasn't true.
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On June 10 2016 04:57 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:09 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
If a blue claims and nobody counterclaims we can't know if it's a real claim until a second blue claims. If two blues claim and nobody counterclaims (either with a third blue role or the same as one of the claimers) we can assume that both blue roles are town eliminating two people from the lynch pool and effectively controlling the nightkills from mafia.
Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members.
That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. Why would two people claiming be any less suspect than one person claiming? They could both be lying. Say PR1 claims, PR2 claims, but PR1 actually belongs to someone else. Then "claim wars" start where the actual PR1 claimed after the fake PR1 and how would we know the difference? There is no tangible way, as far as I see it. I almost want to say that it is a ploy by Superbia and EC to expose the influential PRs, because scum would be the only ones that know whether or not the person claiming is scum or not and thus would be much more valuable information to them than the town. However, I will wait to hear a more detailed explanation from Superbia and EC. Why are you grouping us together?
Because he defended your unsubstantiated proposition blindly.
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On June 10 2016 04:59 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:58 Jealous wrote:
Correct me if I misunderstood the OP - is there guaranteed 4 blue PRs in this game? I was under the impression that this wasn't true. 2.
Okay, I just misunderstood your 3/4 claim post.
In this scenario, as Skynx said, why would Veteran reveal?? He has no actions that could benefit the town, and it would only doom him.
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On June 10 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote:
Evaluate what they have done. See how they have voted. See what their actions were surrounding their roles. Does it add up?
If it is mylo tomorrow, just remember that scum will always have 3 votes. And town will have either 4 or 5. If even 1 person is not on the same page, scum can push over the wrong wagon at the last moment.
It will be paramount for town to be united.
Technically, if blk is mafia they would be down to 2 votes? Or perhaps this is why he hasn't been killed yet.
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On June 10 2016 06:04 Shapelog wrote:Posting as a reminder,
*We have been in the process of trying to replace Blkcoffee, we will continue trying to replace him until the end of this phase, which he will have to be MKed.
Oh.
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On June 10 2016 05:53 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:57 Superbia wrote:
W/e I'll just die in the night and tomorrow will be a disaster bc TT is probably mafia. Why am I mafia now? I mean it's nice to know I'm not getting killed tonight but I'm wondering why you now think this.
Tictock what do you think of this reveal PR role initiative?
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So if we mislynch, town loses unless a miracle happens and scum targets vet or a person who was being protected. I see now why blues coming out today could be crucial, in both directions. In my opinion, here it is by role breakdown:
Vet - No reason for them come out I think. That would just make scum's job that much easier by roleblocking and killing him when he is one of the only potential obstacles to their victory.
Doc - Definitely no reason for them to come out.
Cop - Cop needs to come out and give what his reads so far have been, unless they are one of the above two. If they are one of the above two, they should just say that person was VT. That way, scum won't know if the actual PR are in the cop's reads or outside them, effectively giving them nothing.
Vigilante - I don't see a need for them to come out, and it would be nice to potentially coordinate as a town both a lynch and vigi kill. If the kill doesn't happen, then we know there is no vigi. So far there haven't been any additional kills, so it is either a very reserved vigi or he doesn't exist. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Thoughts?
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Ah, well looks like I was typing that, we have one person claiming.
Thoughts on the other role analyses, however?
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Also, there are three possibilities that MoosyDoosy's revelations so far have shown:
1. Moosy is cop, I am town, BTDT is scum.
2. Moosy is scum, I am town and he is saying this because a. he knows it to be true and b. it gives his claim traction, BTDT is town. However, if another cop appears, things could get interesting.
3. Moosy is scum, I am scum, BTDT is town.
Since I know that I'm town, it's between 1 and 2 for me. Unless another cop speaks up or two more roles do, which unfortunately I think would be unwise, it's relatively impossible to verify or contradict Moosy's claims imo.
I honestly pray that there isn't a scenario where we have 1 vet, 1 medic, and Moosy claiming a non-extant cop role. That would suck.
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On June 10 2016 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.
beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.
##Vote: beentheredonethat What were your other checks? And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx? n1 jealous town check there's mafia in emp/skynx and people were bringing good points about beentheredonethat so i checked him to make sure. also because his latest push on someone i forget was super lackluster.
I have to ask, why did you rolecheck me first night? I'd like to hear your reasoning on the matter.
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On June 10 2016 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 08:57 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 10 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.
beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.
##Vote: beentheredonethat What were your other checks? And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx? n1 jealous town check there's mafia in emp/skynx and people were bringing good points about beentheredonethat so i checked him to make sure. also because his latest push on someone i forget was super lackluster. I have to ask, why did you rolecheck me first night? I'd like to hear your reasoning on the matter. because tinfoil. I'm using my checks for tinfoil. You were tinfoil from the result of the D1 lynch. I was tinfoiling beentheredonethat for a bit because of his shitty push on kush and his super mechanical posts. Learning note: super mechanical is a sign of scum forcing out reads. I was townreading him so I figured I'd just check him. Turns out I was right. Also because I knew there had to be a mafia in the middle of my townreads somewhere and beentheredonethat seemed most likely.
Could you elaborate on "mechanical?"
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On June 10 2016 09:00 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 08:51 Jealous wrote:
So if we mislynch, town loses unless a miracle happens and scum targets vet or a person who was being protected. I see now why blues coming out today could be crucial, in both directions. In my opinion, here it is by role breakdown:
Vet - No reason for them come out I think. That would just make scum's job that much easier by roleblocking and killing him when he is one of the only potential obstacles to their victory.
Doc - Definitely no reason for them to come out.
Cop - Cop needs to come out and give what his reads so far have been, unless they are one of the above two. If they are one of the above two, they should just say that person was VT. That way, scum won't know if the actual PR are in the cop's reads or outside them, effectively giving them nothing.
Vigilante - I don't see a need for them to come out, and it would be nice to potentially coordinate as a town both a lynch and vigi kill. If the kill doesn't happen, then we know there is no vigi. So far there haven't been any additional kills, so it is either a very reserved vigi or he doesn't exist. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Thoughts? If there is a Vig this game they are terrible for holding their shot this long. Vet could go either way, probably better for them not to claim unless they need to CC. Kus if you are Vet and 2 other people claim, then you know one of them is mafia. If mafia have a RB and think Vet is a possibility then they are probably RBing their NK's anyway.
I see, that makes sense, didn't think of that. Curse the mafia and their coordination!
Since I am town and have been purportedly confirmed as town by a cop, would it make sense to examine the people that held suspicions against me in their reads? There has never been a push to lynch me, which I am surprised about, but then again I have been pretty much working in scum's favor unintentionally so I guess they didn't have much reason to push for my lynch or NK me.
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On June 10 2016 09:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:02 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 10 2016 08:57 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 08:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 10 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.
beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.
##Vote: beentheredonethat What were your other checks? And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx? n1 jealous town check there's mafia in emp/skynx and people were bringing good points about beentheredonethat so i checked him to make sure. also because his latest push on someone i forget was super lackluster. I have to ask, why did you rolecheck me first night? I'd like to hear your reasoning on the matter. because tinfoil. I'm using my checks for tinfoil. You were tinfoil from the result of the D1 lynch. I was tinfoiling beentheredonethat for a bit because of his shitty push on kush and his super mechanical posts. Learning note: super mechanical is a sign of scum forcing out reads. I was townreading him so I figured I'd just check him. Turns out I was right. Also because I knew there had to be a mafia in the middle of my townreads somewhere and beentheredonethat seemed most likely. Could you elaborate on "mechanical?" This is less reliable than straight up analysis imo but it's reading the tone in posts. For example, your posts are flavored with a lawyer-like tone. emperorchampion seems generally happy in his posts. I seem generally trolly. On the other hand, beentheredonethat's posts all read like they're being spewed out by an analysis machine which made me feel strange about him. Like it's great he's doing analysis but why are you so distant from the rest of town kind of vibe. Again, it's not certain which made me put him in my tinfoil category and use my N2 check on him.
I see, thank you.
Assuming you survive this coming night cycle, who would you read tonight?
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Rather, who would you 1. lynch 2. investigate 3. expect to get NK
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On June 10 2016 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:07 Jealous wrote:
Rather, who would you 1. lynch 2. investigate 3. expect to get NK There's no way I'm living this night. Lynch beentheredonethat tonight obv and Skynx would be good for next day. Might have to look into it to make a case to convince you guys but I'm pretty sure he's Maf. Also you're not in the clear because godfather is a role so keep that in mind.
True... Forgot about that, haha. That definitely complicates matters because I can see how I would be the logical person to cover up on Day 1 if I was scum. Shiet.
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On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway. I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info.
Well, if we bandwagon BTDT and no one says anything, wouldn't that be hella suspect?
If scum doesn't both to CC or to otherwise question Moosy, that would mean that Moosy is the actual scum. Perhaps we should all jump on BTDT and see what happens?
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On June 10 2016 09:14 emperorchampion wrote:
Oh man if Jealous was GF that would be fucking bananas
"You are Quintus Cassius Longinus, Caesar’s Framer! Due to you voting to keep Caesar army together, you have been kicked out of the senate! However, you still have contacts. Once per night, you may get a Senate to send the wrong info on a player of your choosing. Causing them to show up as the other alignment after a cop check result A QT will be provided in your role pm, allowing you to talk to your teammates. You win with mafia."
Wouldn't it be possible in this hypothetical scenario that someone else is the godfather and they used their role to cover me up as a second scum? Maybe not functionally different but it also throws another complication. Agh!
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On June 10 2016 09:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:15 Jealous wrote:On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway. I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info. Well, if we bandwagon BTDT and no one says anything, wouldn't that be hella suspect? If scum doesn't both to CC or to otherwise question Moosy, that would mean that Moosy is the actual scum. Perhaps we should all jump on BTDT and see what happens? Well I could answer this, but I don't want to give scum ideas. Just think about it, and more importantly find a way to not have today be a long wait for him to flip.
The only thing I can think of is waiting for a counterclaim, honestly.
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On June 10 2016 13:58 Superbia wrote:
Veteran/vigi should claim too
Why would either claim?? They give up power and open the chance for a NK by being open. The only direct benefit to town for being open is cop and that's already happened. Perhaps if you could elaborate more on why you think this way?
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