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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 05:33 GMT
#224
But reading your post again - why do you not want to lynch mig exactly? "Because there are other options" seems like a pretty bad reason to me.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 05:53 GMT
#228
On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.

And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.

Why? Why on earth would we put on a show like that? It doesn't make any sense.
What does a supposed mafia team of marv and me gain from doing that? Explain this to me.

Of course it is an insane coincidence. That's why I found it so funny.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 05:54 GMT
#229
On May 04 2016 14:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 09:12 Tubesock wrote:
Slam the man:

3 people saw your trap and mentioned something showing they understood it. Does this bother you? Are you goign to follow up on this?

Nah. It didn't actually do anything as it was largely ignored since it was always only half serious to begin with.

Glad there are fewer postings this game. Not gonna ruin it any further with my usual behaviour behavior.

Welcome the Saitama.

I would gladly welcome the saitama. Didn't the saitama post quite a bit though?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:12 GMT
#240
On May 04 2016 15:00 RiceyKins wrote:
It gets way too WIFOM if I try to base everything on that JAT, and as I said you're still Null imo it just didn't look right and it's the only thing that's even worth mentioning about you so far. Although tbh you didn't seem to find it "so funny" either which is also why I found the whole thing kind of odd.

It's not even WIFOM.

There is 0 reason to assume we would do that as mafia if you think about if even for a split second. Your supposed line of thought is "this is unusual so it is scummy" without critically evaluating if that makes sense or not.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:33 GMT
#247
On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:

Towns:

Kush
Shape
Slam
Marvish
Ricey
jat

If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.

for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish

Dr Thrawn
Etellex
Mig (modkill though?)
Palmar

I don't see how ricey or shape can be in a townlist.

I have no problem with Killing so far.

I would not add Palmar to the inactivity policy lynches.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:36 GMT
#249
On May 04 2016 15:17 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 15:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2016 15:02 Tubesock wrote:
Slam do you want anyone lynched? Or do you have a shortlist you'd be ok lynching?

Do you think anyone is town?

It sounded like Saitama was super intense effort. Maybe there is a happy medium somewhere.

Why make a list with so little info? I don't like lists in this scenario. Why open up ml opportunities for Mafia to plan around? I don't want them knowing my sentiment, and I can contribute in ways that don't inform them while informing the lot of us on specific players. Others can use this sort of contribution for PoE.

However I will confirm that Etellex is not the only person I currently suspect.


I posted that before I saw you're Etellex vote. I was unsure if you were actually goign to do anything. I'm happy with your last few posts.

I think I agree with this though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:37 GMT
#250
On May 04 2016 15:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 15:33 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:

Towns:

Kush
Shape
Slam
Marvish
Ricey
jat

If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.

for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish

Dr Thrawn
Etellex
Mig (modkill though?)
Palmar

I don't see how ricey or shape can be in a townlist.

I have no problem with Killing so far.

I would not add Palmar to the inactivity policy lynches.

This should tell you more. Not sure if just getting there first or not seeing it...

Are you talking to me?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:41 GMT
#252
On May 04 2016 15:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 15:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 15:35 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2016 15:33 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 15:16 Tubesock wrote:
headed out for drinks and dinner. Will be back in a few hours. In the mean time:

Towns:

Kush
Shape
Slam
Marvish
Ricey
jat

If I were to pick who to lynch of the "actives" as it were I'd take time deciding between killing and Fazer. I didnt' really like their answers but they are actually closer to null than anything. You can probably infer what I didn't like about them by some of the questions I directed at them.

for the inactives I'd lynch in this orderish

Dr Thrawn
Etellex
Mig (modkill though?)
Palmar

I don't see how ricey or shape can be in a townlist.

I have no problem with Killing so far.

I would not add Palmar to the inactivity policy lynches.

This should tell you more. Not sure if just getting there first or not seeing it...

Are you talking to me?

Yes. Indirectly enough though- I apologize.

Do you glean more than you are saying here or no?

Not really. I wouldn't give a townread to anyone for stuff that has been posted this far but the ones I pointed out are the ones where I don't understand how Tubesock could even come to this conclusion.

And concerning the scumreads - Fazer is just problematic in general. He did next to nothing last game and then he got vigged on my command. He was town.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 06:58 GMT
#254
No, no.

If you think there is more to glean then go ahead and explain.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 11:50 GMT
#265
On May 04 2016 20:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 15:04 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 04 2016 14:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Rehearsed? lol
Do you really think if I was mafia with marv we would make such a stupid and completely unnecessary play? Why?

I never lie about rl stuff regardless of my alignment.


I think I agree that thrawn looks the worst from the list I gave based on solely on the fact that Mig didn't post at all while he was clearly around at some point. But saying "slam did more" is like saying homeopathic medicine does more than placebo pills.

This is epic

Bro-fist on the seeing through homeopathic stuff "lemonade will cure your cancer!" Lol. Riiiiiiiight so my cousin's UCLA grad level research in the matter is pointless because lemons. That literally insults her work.

Yet it is like my posting, I post half-ass jokes and that gets me a town pass? Isn't half the joke based on the fact that this usually happens? I have set the bar for myself so low that I can cruise through 90% of my games suspicion free.

So I find we are a bit too inactive here and will probably need to start voting video people to get them to start talking. Fear of talking is a factor, but when you are already up for lunch you have nothing to lose and start talking.

So let's do that. ##Vote: Etellex

Get my vote off you sir. Why aren't you just lurking scum? You can't get a read; fine. But nothing at all to say? Scum is a lot scarier then town, sir, so... New or not I am inclined to actually lean scum on you. Prove me wrong.

I don't like this very much, Slam.

This may be because I have close and recent personal experience of my other half struggling in exactly the same fashion.I thought (weakly) when I read Etellex's first post that it indicated town. While town doesn't know at all what to look for, mafia doesn't have to know what to look for, and can always find something, anything, suspicious because it doesn't actually matter what

Well...
On May 04 2016 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 13:44 Etellex wrote:
On May 04 2016 13:40 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 13:37 Etellex wrote:
I'm not posting because I've been incompetent. I've not been sure what or when to post because I'm not familiar with this particular format of mafia.

What format are you familiar with then? Video?


I'm familiar with casualized forms of Mafia like Town of Salem where there's a lot less reading into what people say and more logic/evidence. I've been quiet because I'm at a loss for what to go off of for suspicion.

I can understand and empathize with this.

justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 11:51 GMT
#267
I have no idea actually. Your post made me remember that one.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 11:54 GMT
#270
On May 04 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
i dunno about Riceykins. His point about you (jat) and me is ridiculous. But if he's a smurf who has a vague idea of who we are (and i guess especially me because i've been around longer) it's kinda a bold play to try to implicate 2 influential players with something so thin.

Maybe but on the other hand I would be more inclined to believe he actually genuinely thought that if he would NOT be familiar with our play.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 11:56 GMT
#273
On May 04 2016 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 20:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 20:52 marvellosity wrote:
i dunno about Riceykins. His point about you (jat) and me is ridiculous. But if he's a smurf who has a vague idea of who we are (and i guess especially me because i've been around longer) it's kinda a bold play to try to implicate 2 influential players with something so thin.

Maybe but on the other hand I would be more inclined to believe he actually genuinely thought that if he would NOT be familiar with our play.

yes. but you have to go back 4+ years to not be familiar with mine

Exactly. Which is the problem.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 11:56 GMT
#275
Even I have been around for 3 years now I think.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:04 GMT
#284
On May 04 2016 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
all the players i signed up to play with aren't playing

this makes me sad as i'm not playing so much anymore

Yeah... I signed up hoping to finally just be a sheep for once. And now everyone is bailing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:07 GMT
#286
On May 04 2016 21:04 Tubesock wrote:
I think you guys are being over dramatic about his scumming you. He said you're both nulls and thought the coincidence was strange.

I don't get why it matters if he knows your reputations or not.

He'd know you're both good players, maybe he doesn't know you enough to know you don't do crazy shit. You're good enough to do crazy shit though. And even then if he hasn't played in awhile then he woldn't know if you could do crazy shit or not.

Why is this such a big deal?

Overall it is not that big of a deal but from the reads that habe been posted so far it is definitely one of the worst. Because it just doesn't check out. I don't see a town mindset or thought process behind it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:23 GMT
#293
On May 04 2016 20:39 Tubesock wrote:
To be fair, there isn't a single player in this game that has done anything that a mafia version of them couldn't do. Shape did 1 thing I thought was furthering town (pushed Fazer). I liked a couple of Ricer's posts. + Show Spoiler [2 posts I liked from Ricey] +
On May 04 2016 10:58 RiceyKins wrote:
I don't think bold accusations are inherently bad Fazers, but I disagree that Killing is being bold with his claims. If one of his reasons for suspecting me is saying sorry to Marv idk I find that rather weak actually and it's personal bias considering I was actually misunderstanding something and he cleared it up for me.

I also think going after Shape at this point is just plain bad. At first I thought Shape was a little too friendly with Kush and trying to parrot his opinions but after re-reading his filter that isn't really the case and I think he's made the best points out of any of us so far. So I dunno why out of everybody here he would put the two of us on a list together when honestly speaking we're on opposite ends in terms of contributions for town. That's somewhat strange.


On May 04 2016 11:26 RiceyKins wrote:
I think it's just that I don't find him convincing Fazers. Calls me out for being non-confrontational and then half-commits to Shape and myself by saying his theory is probably dumb and he didn't really want to go into detail. I agree with you that it's good that he's trying though but I obviously disagree with his targets


jat, so do you think Marv is town? I mean whatever you want to call it since you don't like giving away townreads. And by your disbelief should I infer you think Shape and/or Ricer is mafia?

I missed this earlier.
No, it is too early to tell on marv. Sadly him posting is not enough since I know that he did not join a game recently on the grounds of not being able to put in a decent effort as mafia. So if he is mafia I expect him to try this game. His tone has been ok so far.

Shape is completely null to me and Rice is somewhat suspicious.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:25 GMT
#295
On May 04 2016 21:20 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 21:07 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 21:04 Tubesock wrote:
I think you guys are being over dramatic about his scumming you. He said you're both nulls and thought the coincidence was strange.

I don't get why it matters if he knows your reputations or not.

He'd know you're both good players, maybe he doesn't know you enough to know you don't do crazy shit. You're good enough to do crazy shit though. And even then if he hasn't played in awhile then he woldn't know if you could do crazy shit or not.

Why is this such a big deal?

Overall it is not that big of a deal but from the reads that habe been posted so far it is definitely one of the worst. Because it just doesn't check out. I don't see a town mindset or thought process behind it.


Do you see a mafia one?

You have to come up with mafiareads. You have to fabricate reasons to do so. This seems like a fabricated reason.

Like I said his explanation translates to "this is unusual/improbable so it is scummy".
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:34 GMT
#300
On May 04 2016 21:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 14:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.

And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.

Why? Why on earth would we put on a show like that? It doesn't make any sense.
What does a supposed mafia team of marv and me gain from doing that? Explain this to me.

Of course it is an insane coincidence. That's why I found it so funny.


May I explain it?
Mafia hard it hard to interact with each other. They know each other are scummy but don't want to lynch each other.
So by forcing yourself to have a natural conversation, you are making your interactions not look like s/s.

So naturally you would go about having a "natural" conversation by inventing some ridiculously improbable scenario. Ok kush.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
May 04 2016 12:38 GMT
#306
On May 04 2016 21:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2016 21:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 21:32 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On May 04 2016 14:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On May 04 2016 14:45 RiceyKins wrote:
Mig hasn't said a word since the game started where Dr.P has said one thing and hasn't come back. If the discussion is about which inactive player we believe should be lynched I'll go with Dr.P because he's clearly been here and made a decision not to continue but Mig is a ? and I can deal with waiting to see. It's not a great situation either way but if we're picking between the two I'd lynch Dr.P.

And yeah I think it looks rehearsed. 18 hours into the game where neither of you have shown up "Oh man JAT hasn't posted yet he must be sick!" 5 minutes later "Ha Ha oh Marv I just came back from the doctor cause I'm sick". If you don't think that's some oddly good timing and an insane coincidence idk Considering there's almost nothing else to mention about the two of you to this point yeah its suspect. You also don't have to be lying about coming back from the doctor, it's very possible Marv knew and just waited for you to be around to put on a show.

Why? Why on earth would we put on a show like that? It doesn't make any sense.
What does a supposed mafia team of marv and me gain from doing that? Explain this to me.

Of course it is an insane coincidence. That's why I found it so funny.


May I explain it?
Mafia hard it hard to interact with each other. They know each other are scummy but don't want to lynch each other.
So by forcing yourself to have a natural conversation, you are making your interactions not look like s/s.

So naturally you would go about having a "natural" conversation by inventing some ridiculously improbable scenario. Ok kush.


You are missing Ricey's point I think. It's not the coincidence that you were there at the same time as much as the banter itself. Which felt forced and awkward to him (and annoying to me).

The things are related. If you want to fake a natural conversation you don't try to draw attention to it by putting on a unnecessary show like that.
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