On April 25 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote: Ugh, 3 pages in the past hour... Somehow I figured this was going to be the case.
Wont be home for a bit and not sure if I'll get fully caught up in time. Just managed the finish gums WoT and subsequent posts on w/e page that happened on.
I'll admit I am getting more of a townie feel from these posts, especially this one and the one where he defends Koshi.
On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote: I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else.
Just doesn't seem like it matches up with a scum agenda, which would be to survive, if he's defending the counterwagon and pushing people who aren't exactly highon peoples to-lynch lists.
Not sure thats enough to convince me with such little time to think things through but it's a start.
Fidei would prob be my pick to lynch if we aren't lynching gum.
If you read the last three pages, there are countering reasons for lynching Koshi and GB. I think your input on either of them if not both would be much more useful.
Going to power through DYH's scum game in NSM20 so I can deal with my phobia.
At present I get the feeling he's playing too close to his chest (scum tell) but at the same time I also know he's a slow reader as town. The thread has been slow however, a lot of people just really haven't been playing. Working against him is the solo vote Day 1, his deferred read on SL (associative), the fact that SL had ZERO interaction with him. (also associative).
On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote: Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
He clearly missed the many posts by me and my comrades that my post ment nothing.
sicklucker here pushed GB
On April 21 2016 09:31 sicklucker wrote: Gb do you or do you not just always push me everytime you get a red pm in the inbox?
Did GB answer this? Is this talk between buddies?
On April 22 2016 07:21 sicklucker wrote:
On April 22 2016 07:17 Half the Sky wrote: 20/40
On April 21 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote: 15/40
[...]
sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions
(1) Why is Tictock strong? (2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town (3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long... (4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it.
sicklucker, I had these questions of your list post.
And Fecalfeast, what prompted you to suggest voting me?
1 . Cant even remember I got 5 minutes. He had good long posts early when I read the game idk 2. He was quite active for him and doing his usual routine like hes town 3. vote him then? Dont read his posts at all see storm qt 4. gb pushes me everygame as scum. I think thats pretty plane as day. he pushes me quite alot as town tho but he has a 100% rate over a pretty big sample of games 20_ of always trying to lynch me but never succeeding. probably why I dont respect his scum game despite it having a good win percentage
more about GB
So is this between buddies or not? I don't know. Do you know?
sicklucker isn't exactly known for bussing his partners from what I remember of him. He only busses if the person asked them to bus which idk why he would do it so early.
On April 25 2016 06:41 GlowingBear wrote: LS if you mislynch me one more time I will never play with you again.
Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying.
note Ls, this line comes right after you recalled the game you mislynched him / :
pretty sure he just saw a weakness and chose to exploit it, as opposed to genuinely coming up with this himself.
No that was before I mentioned the games I had mislynched him in.
post 638 page 32 XD
then he makes the post i mentioned on 639 a min later
wouldnt make that kind of thing up : P
Ugh he didn't after I replied to him?
Wrong. He bussed me in Void day 1, I got lynched day 2 and he and JAT rode that shit to victory. He definitely busses, I think he bussed in Guardians of the Galaxy as well.
sicklucker is quite capable of making the plays when needed. Can't rule that out.
I have reasons to scumread them both, VCA, association, they are both pushing Koshi and I have reasons to more strongly townread Koshi now both reading his filter and seeing his approach to this end of day.
I'm staying on GB, and praying the rest of town make the right decision.
DYH did push whom I think to be a townie in Shape though he reconsidered that one, and Koshi does have selective reasoning but I'm a bit more clear on why.
Also Dani, I notice that you aren't including me and LS in your little list.
Don't think I'm not on to you.
I'm referring to the fact that DYH pushed those two hard for lynch, he didn't do the same for either of you, but I had other reasons to read LS town regardless.
2315, or 15m to EoD - sickucker STILL the lynch with most votes DISCLAIMER: I reconstructed from here on out with strikethroughs this vote from the voting thread - call me out if I've made a mistake.
(1) So we had two solo voters. DYH pushing Koshi and not gumshoe....lord. DYH defending GB....and then he relinquished control of the thread either him or GB could have gotten lynched.
(2) Shapelog is looking better, DYH seemed somewhat open to him as mafia? Probably keeping options open on him?
(3) DYH defended Fidei but I don't think that means anything.
(4) The question is whether DYH and GB would push Koshi together now. They needed a mislynch pretty badly here.
Gotta simmer on this one, but we are almost home.
I'm at a pool of gumshoe and GB with an outside shot of Fidei.
From voting ALONE, Tictock's vote could be a bus, after it was clear DYH was getting lynched.
You're less likely to be mafia for that. Much less.
gumshoe and GB with an outside shot of Tictock based on VCA.
*bangs her head on the wall*
Sorry, this is kinda what happens when you have been reading and reading with shittonne of tabs open. My head is kinda spinning. Going to stop here anyhow for tonight.
(I have been typing for the last hour, bear with me)
FYI I'm going to do and show a bit of deep digging - highly doubt I'm getting NKed, but I have 5 posts to spare putting a few things together so whatever.
I'm going to layer a combination of things - associative reads and then the timing of the votes relative to what happened, since there's a few people saying to disregard VCA for Day 2.
My Town Reads
DYH's reads and abdication of the thread as follows:
Day 1 - strong push and vote on Shapelog, ignored SL, no read on GB or TT
Day 2 - strong push and vote on Koshi, admitted ignorance on Tictock, no position on LS, defence of GB (see below the line break)
On that alone, I would vindicate Shapelog (along for the reasons for his voting Day 1 on sicklucker), I have other filter-based reasons to townread Koshi, but DYH's push on Koshi effectively vindicates him. Other independent reasons to townread LS include end of day 2 and the manner in which he pushed me day 1 (as he really believed what he was doing) and then after that re-evaluated me. It was organic.
Tumbleweed is uncounterclaimed vig.
gumshoe had a few things going against him - votes end of day 1, the self-meta (or martyring as some called it), but posts 586 (the case on GB) was pretty solid along with the point on the manner in which GB dropped his read on SL and then surmised how mafia was one of Koshi/gumshoe/LS. There was little association between SL/DYH/gumshoe, but both DYH and my strongest scum read at present - GB - were pushing Koshi. Two players (Koshi and LS) I am sure are town, and gumshoe at present I'm nearly positive is town.
Fidei
Fidei was dicey at the day 1, but he's probably town. He AFKed (NAI) D1, but voted early enough on DYH that him doing it as RB or vanilla it would be suboptimal. I think he's pieceing the game together in a way that indicates he's town, there was patterns of this day 1/night 1 when he reconsidered me in post 506 as he was catching up. There's nothing further he can really do to engage DYH when the latter had been so AFK other than poke him, which he did. As mafia he doesn't do jack all and wouldn't be arsed to play this game with what he has outside the game (this is OGI on my part, take it as you will) and he's confirmation biasing me out of fear which is NAI and also the fact I've been wrong on every decision.
(disclaimer - next part is meta)
Also NAI as he has not played with me in some of my worst town games (ie I singlehandedly threw Gaiden for instance, my Carol town game was a disaster only was saved because I was blue, Titanic 7 I pushed townies left right and centre because I didn't know people's metas) or games where I wound up on the wrong side of the lynch despite being town.
However, and this is a BIG however, it's also completely untrue that I didn't have read development on GB, somewhere he forgot to read posts 517, 528, ESPECIALLY 618 (!!!!!!!), 649. Was it disjointed? Yes, and from my filter you should be able to tell that I was focusing on a LOT of people, and a holistic approach to this game. But it sure as hell existed.
His reads on other people and the manner in which he gravitated to DYH indicates he's probably town. If you read page 3 of his filter carefully you should be able to put together that his lynch preference was DYH > GB > GS/Koshi. That should have been obvious from 687/690.
So I think he's town with the exception of day 1 voting and what I stated in bold, but I think these points pale in comparison which what else I've read through his filter combined with what I do know about him and his game in general.
That leaves me with GB and Tictock. And between these two folks, it's GB as the final mafia.
And of these two I'd lynch GB. I mean, I'll doublecheck a few things re: Tictock, but the evidence against GB is quite frankly, overwhelming. The only thing that comes into question is whether he and DYH would push Koshi together but that is WIFOM come to think of it.
However, when I look at the full picture of GB's play, I'm >95% sure that he's the final mafia - I'm looking at both Fidei and LS's reasons for townreading him, and quite frankly both's reasons are REALLY bad, not mafia-driven bad, just suboptimal bad.
GB being mislynched a shittonne does not give any indication for his play now. He fakeclaimed in Firefly yes, but I don't believe he did jack all in Outlaw. Fakeclaims are done for specific reasons when they aim for the objectives needed (to draw a blue, to divert a lynch, etc) and someone fakeclaiming or not does not and should not ever vindicate them. There's a ridiculous amount in GB's filter that indicates several problems including
(1) lack of followup day 1 reads,
(2) lack of engagement (or delayed engagement) with Koshi, he throws the names he does night 1 and I engage him first on Koshi when I discuss my phobias but he doesn't touch him until Koshi calls him on on this day 2.
(3) the dropped read on SL day 1.
(4) softpushing from sicklucker day 1 ("I'd lynch GB a little from his posts....and then selective reasoning on me when I was going to get lynched)
(5) his post highlighting why I was mafia was terrible in that it completely ignored arguments that were already made
(a) saying my posts are convoluted does not make me mafia when I explain them a bazillion times, furthermore that is parroting from Koshi one day later Damdred was confirmation biasing HARD but at least I could tell he was town based on interactions with other townies.
(b) Second it was VERY reasonable and not suspicious to surmise that a low-activity player was mafia, GB basically framed something that was townie (or at worst null) and framed it as mafia agenda. That behaviour itself is mafia driven. Read post 583 again if you don't understand.
(6) Softpushing from GB on DYH (see post 583) - he says DYH makes him uncomfortable, but what does he do about it? Nothing. He doesn't even engage him or change that read when he and DYH both vote Koshi. In post 628 you will see
(7) GB's push on Koshi makes no sense (through post 623). Koshi clearly explained why Shape was underwhelming compared to GB and that was based on the metas he had for both players. He def focused on some people more than others and he did use the argument too scummy to be scum, which was wrong on sicklucker...and he did the same for gumshoe. But it's a read that whilst bad is not exclusively mafia.
I think LS is also wrong on SL pushing GB (his post 757), yes he brought up GB, but he did nothing about it and GB did nothing about SL. I think LS mis-analysed the interactions between the two players - they weren't bussing each other, they were softpushing each other. And that is very mafia indicative. That is where my associative reads (and gumshoe's I think to an extent) are coming from.
So yes GlowingBear is the final scum, and that's my answer.
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote: @HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently.
I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear.
On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either.
This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi.
Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate.
The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass.
If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people.
I have been giving TT a free pass unfortunately. He just hasn't drawn my attention much. LS confuses me at the moment, which is why I asked him those questions. He isn't comfortable with a gum lynch, he leans town on GB, he leans town on Koshi, he leans town on you. There is a lack of evolving reads around some of the most polarizing players in the game ATM.
I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.
On April 25 2016 06:52 DoYouHas wrote: Guys, I got an invite to play some league with friends I haven't talked to in a long time. I'm off through deadline. Lynch Koshi.
So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch).
Looking at vote timings after 2300:
On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: DoYouHas
On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote: ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear
On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote: ##Vote: DYH
On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote: ##Vote: DYH
On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote DYH
On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote ##vote dyh
So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from.
On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi.
We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread.
On April 26 2016 06:57 GlowingBear wrote: So you believe both Mafia wasted their votes day1 HTS?
If town were scumreading each other, any mafia present is going to let things go, it's quite possible, hell, just look at the votes, look at the tunnels some of the townies (my townreads now) had on each other. LS and I tunneled each other for a cycle and a half.
Damdred and Koshi were/are wrong on me....Damdred in particular proved himself three times he cannot or did not read the thread, for a player of his calibre, the way he dealt with me was utterly diabolical this game when others saw the opposite for different reasons.
He could have easily gotten me mislynched with the influence he and Koshi had on the thread. FF also misread me based on tone, not taking into account why I was posting differently.
Why interfere with that (aside from SL also pushing it) and especially when there was scant time (at least with DYH, knowing what I know of his gameplay) for scum to push anything else. Where's the motivation to push the lynch off a townie when town are already shooting themselves in the foot one way or another?
Tictock was spot on with the point that sicklucker did just enough to get the lynch off him and basically did jack all after that.
That all said, voting Day 1 aside, there's no way you shouldn't be getting lynched tomorrow, as said before the evidence otherwise is quite overwhelming.
EBWOP - I'm also getting the impressions from these nightkills that with the AFKs and how all over the place these scumreads have been, mafia are just gunning for the town leaders here and trying to thrive on town misreading and tunneling each other. The little influence that sicklucker and DYH had prior to their elimination lends credence to this.
Which is why GlowingBear is up there and really should be the lynch, I really got the impression in how he engaged Koshi all cycle and then voted him at the end made it look like he was trying to see what took off. He clearly did not have the influence in the thread so he would have to rely on town misreading.
And Koshi, what posts are you townreading him for? There's a shittonne more that demonstrates why he's scum. If you don't trust me, then read what gumshoe wrote, somewhere in your filter you were lost on why he was scumreading him.
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy
Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town
i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons
I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably.
Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me)
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As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction.
I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you.
Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah.
umm you sure about that?
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
Damdred DYH Tumblewood
gumshoe LightningStrike
(me in red with ls)
I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree?
You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe.
Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions.
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Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention.
you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together.
Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments?
Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS.
My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him
I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him)
I 100% think we need,to consolidate on a lynch make reasoning known and no shenanigans.
I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.
you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is)
The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it.
Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for)
also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P
On April 25 2016 09:02 gumshoe wrote: Yeah DYH conveniently just started town reading gb literally right after i attacked him.
Now, why would he stick his neck out to save someone who there was no momentum on at the time (right after I made my case) and up till this pointhe conveniently hadn't read anything about but just so happens to have the same agenda as him(kill koshi)?
also this post refrencing the ff lynch is eriely similar to that gb post I put up earlier
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
dyh has no reason to throw suspicuon onto me here for a bus, its not like I was that inactive (ala sl) or that BAD (ala onegu)
Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town.
Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation?
You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so
LS only got to Tictock by PoE though...which means I also can't put too much stock in him from NK WIFOM because had he been alive, his reads could have still changed contingent on people's play today.
Alright, I'm voting GB again.
GB, why did you drop the scumread on me? And why are you voting gumshoe?
And of the people on your list, why is gumshoe the best lynch?
On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.
So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS
It's basically auto
On April 26 2016 07:44 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah it's auto.
I'm sure this was a medic dodge tho.
I'm voting gumshoe ##vote: gumshoe
On April 26 2016 12:08 GlowingBear wrote: I've never wanted to lynch TT?
I don't know what you're talking about
And why did Tictock just pop up on a lynch list when reading your filter, he's not appearing anywhere else? Where did that come from?
GB, can you also explain where you are getting this quote?
[QUOTE]On April 26 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote: Well, based on VCA, Koshi and Shapelog aren't mafia unless they unnecessarily bussed DYH. I find hard to believe. There was no need to bus so I don't trust this possibility.
So remaining Mafia should be between gumshoe TT fidei and HTS
How are you using VCA to distinguish between Shape and Koshi versus gumshoe, Tictock and Fidei?
[QUOTE]On April 26 2016 06:57 Half the Sky wrote: So roughly 38m to End of Day or 2254, DYH lurked the thread (he GGed right after the lynch).
Looking at vote timings after 2300:
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: DoYouHas[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:03 Half the Sky wrote: ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:11 Fidei86 wrote: ##Vote: DYH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:24 Shapelog wrote: ##Vote: DYH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:28 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote DYH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On April 25 2016 07:29 gumshoe wrote: ##unvote ##vote dyh[/QUOTE]
So yep, Tictock is actually right here. DYH bailed from the thread, could have told his scumbuddy to do whatever. So from his POV, the point on Fidei is valid, because all the votes came after, no one on the wagon gets a pass. I don't think Fidei is scum, but it's clearer to me where he's coming from.
On the other hand it's also possible that the entire wagon on DYH could very well be town, with DYH out of the thread, he's effectively relinquished control and no one else was voting Koshi.
We very well could have had a scumteam that really was low-activity and not so influential in the thread. [/QUOTE]
Look at how all the votes came in. Most if not all after DYH bailed from the thread. Why are you putting them in a separate category based on VCA?
How can you believe what you are saying there - if there was no need to bus and you are believing that no one on the DYH wagon bussed, your dropping your scumread against me makes no sense, your scumming of gumshoe makes even LESS sense.
I really believe you're just lurking the thread and trying to see what is sticking with the way this town is playing right now.
I need to focus on work here on out....but I'll be back.
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