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Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.
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Koshi, Why do you think Rsoultin is town? And Tumble for that matter?
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Koshi knows that people townread him for his emotions. This dumbtell could just be him not reading all that carefully and then seeing something fairly surprising and acted out. He could have done this as either alignment.
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On March 25 2016 01:54 Damdred wrote:
All these people wanting to kill me zzz
Who is trying to kill you?
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Shapes moved up my list.
Also to clarify my earlier list had Jat and Rels just below Vivax. Probably should have used colons or something to make it more clear.
Shape, can you elaborate on either/both of Superbia and Kurumi?
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On March 25 2016 05:28 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 05:16 Tubesock wrote:
Shapes moved up my list.
Also to clarify my earlier list had Jat and Rels just below Vivax. Probably should have used colons or something to make it more clear.
Shape, can you elaborate on either/both of Superbia and Kurumi? Ah, it didn't read off like that. and sure. Super: He kinda has fizzled a bit. But early on he was pushing town development and even admitting to frabacating a reason to push Gum. idk what kind of scum admits to that. And although i found some of his Koshi agurement weird, i could understand it. It didn't rub me wrong while i was catching up. Kurumi: I admit the fishing treatment difference between Rik and Gum was off and some other points. But after rereading his last post, the aplogize tone there feels more townie than mafia. That really all that changed from: Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Alright, Kurmini and Gumshow, I am debating rather or not this is actually town v town or Scum v town atm. Kumini thing about fishing is a tad bit weird when you consider his response to Riks. fishing. Holy shit dude, your plan... wasn't that... great. Yeah, you've done that and I believe you, but that brought a lot more harm than anything else. As a person who has hosted games and has played in fair share of them, not only hosts give the Vanilla Townie name (and sometimes more) they also offer fakeclaims for every role under the sun. Your argument that revealing VTs would create an impossible-to-combat Town Circle is also wrong, because, well, your assumption was that people who know the name will behave accordingly... which is people being VTs and Mafia.
I think your play is more indicative of a naive townie than a scum. If you were scum, you'd be more blunt about the claim. Maybe claim the name in some disorted way, maybe hint it more strongly, I have no idea, but for sure you'd try to fish for someone disagreeing with you. Another slight-town read. Vs this before the flip You have defended fishing as a townie thing to do. No, fishing (that is, trying to get a role read off someone) is not a townie thing to do. As a townie, you do not try to give information that mafia might act upon! What good can come from getting someone to claim VT or non-VT? None! None for a townie! I wonder if Gum flipping town made Kuminini change face due to the fact that he tunneled onto the gum. Which goes along with how he phrased his last post. About being apologetic and stuff. His anger, to be fair, was brought on by the fact that Gum either dodge some questions (see 1st response from Gum, point 2,) and from the confusion it seems about SL. Kumini tone is a bit aggressive here though. Which is prob. the reason why i hate to call it town on town here. Points sounded at times like a attack than a questioning. But it was dropped as he flipped (not just on gum, but on others.) I would like to see Kumini expand a bit also on his reads. So far he really on has focused on SL, Gum, and rik. With a meta read on Koshi. I have been questioned by him also, and await a follow up from him. Something feels off with their interaction. idk, maybe it is just my gut fucking up again. His last post also felt townie minus the bold. I also do like this from Kuminini though upon looking in his filter: On March 24 2016 08:53 Kurumi wrote:On March 24 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. I am not VT. Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb. Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not. No role discussion, unless you are Scum and are benefiting from it, damn you! Ritoky, why bring VT thing in the thread?!
Tumble: Eh it was there but didn't do much despite (i am guessing here) getting town vibes from Gumshow being lynch bait and focused a tad bit on the wagon. I feel though, that i want him to come back and answer the 2 hour gap in posting and his thought process (as iirc, this is not the first time he has done this) Annoyingly his timezone is pacific and so i rarely get to interact with him.
Super: Super was the main starter on the wagon (obv.) He done some weird things, but, he literally admitted to frabcating (I am using fracbacted because he littlearly said he made it up to push Gum) the troll thing on Gum. Why would scum ever do this? Other things. like driving discussion and such makes me think he is town. He is even going the extra mile and looking into the flip townies filter. Some reads a bit weak/off though. Still like him
I have just realized though that he actually kinda called Rik scum their but kinda backtracked. I am still wanting him to flesh out his reads. Though, idk if i would lynch him this cycle though.
Superbia seems pretty consistent to me. I don't see this fizzle out. What do you mean about his Koshi argument? Do you disagree that Koshi can't be mafia and do what he did in regards to his emotional burst?
As far as Kurumi goes, I'd argue that mafia needs to act remorseful when they kill a towny. Maybe not needs but often does. Helps blending in and showing they care and are trying to reevaluate. I don't think that should be a towny point.
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Kurumi responded a bit ago Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it...
I didn't skim your posts. I did not bring up your lack or reads so why the defensiveness? What I think your reads were is basically Superbia and Lightninstrike are town and ritoky and Gum were mafia. ALthough you didn't talk much about ritoky. Not nearly as much as Gum anyway. What do you currently think of Ritoky?
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Rels:
On March 25 2016 03:39 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 25 2016 03:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 24 2016 21:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, it was slam most likely. And it WAS a fucking awful shot. Yes, gumshoes posts were 99 % useless rambling but he still obviously put a lot of effort into the game which he usually doesn't as mafia and I am pretty sure slam knows this.
He needs to give us reasoning for 1) why he shot so early and 2) why gumshoe.
And if it isn't very convincing I am tempted to just policy lynch him. Do that then because that's been proven so effective, JAT, and will secure a town win. Fuck this bullshit, you butthurt idiots are so everywhere that I lose all motive to cooperate. No hate @ Superbia, Vivax, Kurumi, etc who convinced me the guy could very likely be scum, nooooooooo hate the shooter and policy lynch even though he 1. Breadcrumbed enough that you all knew it was me 2. Told people to think about what a gumshoe flip would tell them (but was clearly ignored) No that's a policy lynch that will help us win because he will still be a destructive force in the game, because multi shot vigs are totally possible.  you are going to make not breaking the rules really damned hard. How about you stop crying like a baby and explain why you made that shot at that time when you were in no danger to ever be nightkilled. Cannot shoot after day1,Suspected one of either Gumshoe or Kurumi, Felt that Gumshoe was not adding useful talk and being distracted by my old meta. Who is crying so hard? "Slam shot wrong dude plynch him now" Vindictive AND an asshole, I see. Take a higher road than I take in every way or not at all.
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Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper.
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On March 25 2016 07:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote:
Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper. communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper.
Same same.
You earlier town read Sicklucker. Can you elaborate? Maybe Obi also. I guess in one of your last lists you had SL above Vivax who fell for town reads (you didn't like his reads?) and then Obi as mid tier town.
Anyway, taking away the blue hunting I think Ritoky is town. And I do believe him about his plan. This isn't to say I trust him, but he's not going to be on the D1 lynch list.
I like the Sandroba plynch.
##Vote: Sandroba
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It might not. I'm not voting Ritoky and I may be gone for quit awhile so I need to vote someone.
What is your banging heads together doing?
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I'm still thinking about Kurumi. His response to me gave me some doubt.
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I've got about an hour before I have to go to work. Read through Sandroba's entrance. Looks towny.
Once I go to work I won't have internet service.
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Rso, I'd liek to talk about Tumble.
His only real read is Vivax is town. Which I agree with. He also didn't like the pile on of Gumdrops and came out with 2 suspects for it, which I also agree one (well the one, Hi Kurumi!!!). He also thinks Slam is town, which I also agree with. His sin really is not putting out more reads but he has a few in there and I don't get the impression he's trying to be substantive.
So, why do you think he's scum?
Outside of Ritoky's "play" I think he's town. I don't think it's at all outside his mafia play to make a bold move like that, but I guess I think there are better people to lynch?
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On March 25 2016 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
in fact, everyone can play! \o/ tube clearly needs another lynch target
found a clue yet tube to the sock? who is scum?
Still think Kurumi is kinda. I liked a couple of the responses to me. And a couple of his last few posts.
I'm hung up on how he went after Gumdrops, some of the things he says is "off". (like how no one wants to lynch Slam for his shot so it's not a mafia one).
I think he overreacts to some things like when he told Superbia to stop spamming and there was another weird thing he said along those lines. Just seemed out of place. And he way overexplains, which in this case feels like he's putting on a show.
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Superbia, did you have a question for me?
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Tumbles reads are shallow. I guess I'm projecting with him though. I agree with much of what little he's said, and I think D1 is kinda throwing darts at the board and think he may have the same attitutde rather than being mafia by keeping options open and sidelining. But I agree with a lot of what he says so I can't vote him.
One sec on Rit
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On March 25 2016 23:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 23:22 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
in fact, everyone can play! \o/ tube clearly needs another lynch target
found a clue yet tube to the sock? who is scum? Still think Kurumi is kinda. I liked a couple of the responses to me. And a couple of his last few posts. I'm hung up on how he went after Gumdrops, some of the things he says is "off". (like how no one wants to lynch Slam for his shot so it's not a mafia one). I think he overreacts to some things like when he told Superbia to stop spamming and there was another weird thing he said along those lines. Just seemed out of place. And he way overexplains, which in this case feels like he's putting on a show. well i definitely thought his wall of text seemed overexplained so i get where you're at there, but the bolded makes me think that you know or think that he does this anyway? have you played with him before, cause i haven't...or don't remember it (i think ls said he played in joat or something)
Never played with the dude. I don't think the amount of wall warrants what actually happened. I've never liked over the top "town" people. He reminds me of that shit tinfoil case I brought to that dwarf guy in our newbie where you and I were scum with your brother (Hi JarJar!!).
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Tumble, explain your comment about Rels concerning Kurumi? Rels had an insightful TR on Kurumi? I just ctrl+F'd Rels' filter and found 2 instances of this. So, basically you just like Kurumi's 1 post? Huh?
On March 24 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:
Kurumi seems town to me.
On March 25 2016 06:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:13 Kurumi wrote:On March 24 2016 23:42 Superbia wrote:
What's the average mafia count in a 21 player game? Assuming there is 3rd party and stuff too (I'm assuming there is). The formula is usually Players/5 rounded down, so that'd be 4 Mafia this game, was there a third party in either of Storm Mafias? On March 25 2016 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:On March 24 2016 23:00 Kurumi wrote:
Back to Slam. If he were Mafia and that was a Mafia shot, all I'd see now should be "LYNCH KURUMI" and it is not the case. So it means the shot was not used as a means to incriminate me or cast doubt, or leverage it in any way. While I was not the only one voting gumshoe, I was the person pushing the hardest since the very first post of mine. Is there a chance that Slam was bluffing/trolling/whatever and Mafia decided to use that to kill Shoe and let the responsibility for the kill just land on Slam? There's no one on Slam either, yet... So it seems that this kill went through without any group agenda, leading me to believe that it was Town KP, be it Slam or anyone else. It just lacks follow-up, both ways (against me and against Slam) have not been taken by anyone. I think Slam is town.
I don't understand this paragraph at all. Why does mafia need to follow up on this? The logical/natural thing for them to do if slam is in fact mafia is to wait and see how well it goes/if he gets away with it before acting. Well, I think that they'd use the momentum created by the shot to some end. I have not seen that in the thread, people are not really reading Slam as scum, people are not super focused on people who were pushing gumshoe, I think if Mafia shot gum, they'd want the discussion to be on those points, not any others like we have right now. That's just the world I am in. On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it... WOW This is the kind of stuff that ONLY TOWNIES THINK ABOUT Never lynching
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On March 25 2016 23:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 23:42 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2016 23:33 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 23:26 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2016 23:22 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
in fact, everyone can play! \o/ tube clearly needs another lynch target
found a clue yet tube to the sock? who is scum? Still think Kurumi is kinda. I liked a couple of the responses to me. And a couple of his last few posts. I'm hung up on how he went after Gumdrops, some of the things he says is "off". (like how no one wants to lynch Slam for his shot so it's not a mafia one). I think he overreacts to some things like when he told Superbia to stop spamming and there was another weird thing he said along those lines. Just seemed out of place. And he way overexplains, which in this case feels like he's putting on a show. well i definitely thought his wall of text seemed overexplained so i get where you're at there, but the bolded makes me think that you know or think that he does this anyway? have you played with him before, cause i haven't...or don't remember it (i think ls said he played in joat or something) Never played with the dude. I don't think the amount of wall warrants what actually happened. I've never liked over the top "town" people. He reminds me of that shit tinfoil case I brought to that dwarf guy in our newbie where you and I were scum with your brother (Hi JarJar!!). lol that was an awesome game >< my favorite scum game ever i think so explain your wording, then? if you always think that overexplaining, over the top, equals scum, then why say "in this case"? also i need to check something so you didn't fund gum weird even though the over the top thing was why he was being voted for in the first place?
I thought Gum was a little weird and overexplainy. And would have thought he was scum if Kurumi didn't jump on him the way he did. Gums wasn't doing anything, maybe trying to push the thread along and being around to show towniness but I didn't think it was the same level as a normal town typically does. Kurumi jumped in, overexplained, nitpicked, and just piled on whatever shit he could.
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On March 25 2016 23:53 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 23:45 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2016 23:42 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2016 23:33 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 23:26 rsoultin wrote:On March 25 2016 23:22 Tubesock wrote:On March 25 2016 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
in fact, everyone can play! \o/ tube clearly needs another lynch target
found a clue yet tube to the sock? who is scum? Still think Kurumi is kinda. I liked a couple of the responses to me. And a couple of his last few posts. I'm hung up on how he went after Gumdrops, some of the things he says is "off". (like how no one wants to lynch Slam for his shot so it's not a mafia one). I think he overreacts to some things like when he told Superbia to stop spamming and there was another weird thing he said along those lines. Just seemed out of place. And he way overexplains, which in this case feels like he's putting on a show. well i definitely thought his wall of text seemed overexplained so i get where you're at there, but the bolded makes me think that you know or think that he does this anyway? have you played with him before, cause i haven't...or don't remember it (i think ls said he played in joat or something) Never played with the dude. I don't think the amount of wall warrants what actually happened. I've never liked over the top "town" people. He reminds me of that shit tinfoil case I brought to that dwarf guy in our newbie where you and I were scum with your brother (Hi JarJar!!). lol that was an awesome game >< my favorite scum game ever i think so explain your wording, then? if you always think that overexplaining, over the top, equals scum, then why say "in this case"? also i need to check something so you didn't fund gum weird even though the over the top thing was why he was being voted for in the first place? I thought Gum was a little weird and overexplainy. And would have thought he was scum if Kurumi didn't jump on him the way he did. Gums wasn't doing anything, maybe trying to push the thread along and being around to show towniness but I didn't think it was the same level as a normal town typically does. Kurumi jumped in, overexplained, nitpicked, and just piled on whatever shit he could.
*I thought Gums was trying to show towniness like a normal town typically does.
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Gums had votes on him already and was in danger. Why would anyone need to go all super giant case on the guy with what like 36 hours left in the day? If you are looking for someone to just lynch, then sure, secure that shit right away. But if you're town, I'd think you'd want to find out more and gain truth.
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Concerning Ritoky. I may have fell for the ole caps lock trick. I felt he was sincere, but I do know he's a good liar and not at all above doing something like this as mafia. Hmm.
I agree with too much of Tumble's stuff (aside from Rels/Kurumi reads) so I can't vote him.
I don't neccessarily think Rels is mafia just that he's null to me. Same with SL and LS and to some extent Rso. Mostly I don't bother trying to read them till later in the game (SL, LS, Rso).
Anyway, Going to work, voting Kurumi.
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I thought that was a fun game to read. Well done Shape.
Forensic expert could investigate the alignment of the killer of dead people. So if I investigated Gums it would have said town but not who killed him.
GG
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