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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:16 GMT
#2582
On March 27 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote:
yo kurumi what's the name of your role and what does it do?

This is soooo townie. Comparing Kuru's role name with his own. Solving the game.
He was already 99% town for shooting someone scum would never shoot and this seals the deal.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:20 GMT
#2584
On March 27 2016 23:33 Koshi wrote:
Superbia is actually mafia.
1) 10 pages of filter. It is all 1 liners and utter crap.
2) First read post was actually him claiming mafia.
3) Came into the thread before EoD1 complaining about lurkers, yet didn't try to change the wagons or gave reasoning why lurkers were a problem.
4) Whines about the game being "lost", while mafia didn't even shoot presumably, this doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure no townie here thinks like that. I for sure don't. It is mafia depression.
5) Has no fucking reads or list in his head. Has been saying I am town, but types "sad town doc protects Koshi". Why? I am now suddenly mafia for some shitty meta reason he has been reading in the thread and just copies after being called out.
6) Bluefishing with the double stack comment from damdred. Probably bluefishing when he said I shouldn't be protected.

I could probably continue. 0 impact player. 10 pages filter. Kill it.

##unvote
##vote superbia

Unlikely to be partners maybe.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:48 GMT
#2617
On March 28 2016 18:12 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 18:02 rsoultin wrote:
On March 28 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
also rels wanted to lynch me - VT, tube - town, stutters - town, and VA - ?

those are some really bad d1 reads.


eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol

as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable

i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall

like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh)


it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter.

Found that "case" on me I suppose unless there is a more elaborate later. This does not make sense. All games I've played with LS previously, I thought I had a super good read on him, and I was proven false last game. Now I have no real ideas about how to read him so I didn't commit to anything regarding LS. And I know you share that mindset 'cause you said several times "I cannot read LS, only girls can read him" in several games.
You're saying me being proven wrong in my LS read last game should mean I'm trying to read him more this game. This doesn't make sense; I don't really know how to read him so I'm not going to try without associations and vote logic, especially D1 (which is all you're considering in this post) and when I didn't have a lot of time to play.
TLDR this is really bad, especially coming from someone who supposedly has a very good read on me.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:55 GMT
#2627
On March 28 2016 21:40 Superbia wrote:
I agree with JAT.

There are a number of specific reasons why I think Koshi is scum, and it mostly has to do with his reactions to certain things in the game. But it mostly boils down to: he's playing way differently than his VT game I remember.

I think the most glaring is this:
Town gets shot during d1 -> Koshi "flips out" and gets townreads from it.
PR gets lynched d1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
PR gets shot n1 -> Koshi doesn't care.
Koshi is seemingly the target of KP -> Koshi doesn't care AND doesn't think he should've been a medic save.

Town koshi would've been typing with caps lock enabled during point 2-4.

Also his scum list is absolutely garbage.

Definitely not partners. If one is scum the other is not.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:57 GMT
#2633
On March 28 2016 21:52 Superbia wrote:
Rels is indeed fucking nowhere this game. Maybe tired of rolling scum?

I don't even recall VA except he sheeped something on rso who's more likely town now.

Last 5 games were town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 28 2016 23:59 GMT
#2636
On March 29 2016 08:57 sandroba wrote:
also did rsoul just fuck off and never told us about itemz?

That is true. rsoul please claim what did you get and why did you shut up about it ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:04 GMT
#2644
On March 28 2016 23:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alright I caught up on the thread im back. Really no reason to post a big post about 800+ posts so I will answer questions if there are any.

Specific things that triggered me -

1. voting yesterday. Was pretty dead tbh so trying to decide if that was possibly a town on town lynch or if it was just the holiday weekend.

2. I was thinking rels could be scum at some point then i started reading a bunch of posts of people i want nothing to do with thinking rels is scum which is weird. Potential separating maneuver? I do think Rels is a decent lynch still honestly his reads and paradigm of posting so far are meh.

3. Pretty sure Koshi is doing his play as bad as possible thing to stay alive. I would just assume whatever he says he means the opposite, would explain a lot of his posts/reads. No real point to respond to anything he says until its like day four.

4.This LS/rsoultin/etc circlejerk is still making me gag, please make it go away. Probably read like 20-25 posts reading through of them just sucking eachother off and saying that the other is town for zero reason and they dont want to lynch eachother. Exactly what the policy part of my vote was about.

my mafia atm - Rsoultin, Rels, Tictock, Alakaslam, ????


MELLOW
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:14 GMT
#2656
On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.

1. Scumhunting is the only thing I'm doing this game so this is wrong. I am super inactive though.
2. OK. Don't know what to respond to that. Fuck you and I don't know there are two KPs and that we blocked them.
3. I still to want to lynch ritoky. I didn't forget about him but he wasn't the lynch and tubesock was super scummy.
4. No they are not. Explain why they strange ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:16 GMT
#2660
On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.


SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.


VA did you save me?

So VA was the [name removed] guy ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:17 GMT
#2663
On March 29 2016 09:16 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 09:16 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.


SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.


VA did you save me?

So VA was the [name removed] guy ?

no. Please stop bluehunting.

Why do you say that when you yourself ask him if he saved you ?
If you think another guy saved you, why did you think of VA right there ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:22 GMT
#2670
On March 29 2016 09:08 Koshi wrote:
Maybe mafia actually read sandroba blue and just roleblocked him.


SUPER boring answer. But maybe most likely.


VA did you save me?

So you meant Kurumi instad of sandroba there ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:27 GMT
#2678
JAT why do you say TT knew Koshi was shot ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:31 GMT
#2684
On March 29 2016 09:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 09:27 Rels wrote:
JAT why do you say TT knew Koshi was shot ?

[image loading]

Motherfucker can you fucking explain it clearly 'cause all I'm seeing is "TT put Koshi in the 100% town category when a lot of people were scumreading him". If that is all I'm not convinced.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:32 GMT
#2686
Oh I thought JAT posted that. Sry
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:34 GMT
#2689
On March 29 2016 09:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 09:27 Rels wrote:
JAT why do you say TT knew Koshi was shot ?

He was a doc and said this before Kurumi claimed his shot:

Koshi - town - Easiest read in the game, I have posts noted for him but why bother...

At a time where noone in the game really townread koshi and the thread sentiment was to lynch him.

They were probably going for a play here.
If Koshi is mafia he saved him and was going to sell it as a townsave.
If Koshi is town he made the plan with Kurumi who claimed to have shot Koshi only 26 minutes later.

This only works with Kurumi, with Koshi he had no way of knowing vig shot Koshi, unless his role indicates him when he save his target maybe.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:40 GMT
#2699
On March 29 2016 01:36 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 01:29 Vivax wrote:
On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:
On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:
To answer Damdred:

When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.

On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.

Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.



As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:

On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.

1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.

Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.


1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?


1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent.
3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally.
4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.


Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1.

He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure.

4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters.


Totally didn't mention him again at any point besides that, 0 follow up past that. I forgot then his vote thats on me I thought it was much earlier than it was. And his only scum read since eod is Damdred

4) We knew why he had to kill stutters, becasue he was a total coinflip and needed to be removed from the game. Rels townreads... not so much especially when one is lynchable now.

I didn't fucking do anything since eod at that fucking point. This is a "Rels is inactive since eod" reason you're trying to disguise as something else. You're so fucking annoying and you're making me doubt that townread you got 'cause of shennanie on TT.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:45 GMT
#2705
On March 29 2016 03:22 Damdred wrote:
Scott Please claim what role you are right now

OK Damdred is town. This is so townie and trying to solve the game.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:46 GMT
#2706
On March 29 2016 03:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think we should lynch Ticktock for perpetually staying behind and doing whatever instead of being obnoxious and difficult like he usually is.

Town!
Wagon starter when there are alternatives for scum to push for.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:47 GMT
#2708
On March 29 2016 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote:
going to vote for tumblewood now I think he is the highest chance to flip mafia. If nothing happens im going back to policying rsoultin for circlejerk and added benefit of info.

Why did you think tubmlewood was the highest chance to flip mafia ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 29 2016 00:52 GMT
#2713
On March 29 2016 09:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 09:46 Rels wrote:
On March 29 2016 03:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think we should lynch Ticktock for perpetually staying behind and doing whatever instead of being obnoxious and difficult like he usually is.

Town!
Wagon starter when there are alternatives for scum to push for.

Hmm maybe. I think he has a shot of being mafia. He backtracked on voting for TT twice in the heat of battle. Asked permission from JAT once and then made a post he wouldn't vote TT.

When the momentum was really swining into TT getting lynched he voted with capslock.


Maybe not though. I will have to reread obi.

Even if he backtracked 100%, he still put the spotlight on his teammate if scum when there are several potential lynches happening.
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