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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 13:09 GMT
#532
On April 08 2016 21:36 Fidei86 wrote:
[[NK WIFOM ALERT]] CHodge also really wanted to kill GB.

Ya he wanted RB more which was the main stick out for me when I reread his filter.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 14:50 GMT
#542
On April 08 2016 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 23:14 Race Bannon wrote:
On April 08 2016 22:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:
On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:
On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town.
Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back:
On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.

Also, CHodge why the flip?

I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.

RB, can you explain why that sequence happened?
.

Determinism? What's your point?

Point is:
-You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably)
-You proceed to do the exact same thing
Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain.

Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above.

Still want to lynch GB and RB.

I've changed my mind.
I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb.

On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions?

Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.

Not a fan of your content thus far either.

##Vote: LS

I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part.


Let's look at it again then

On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point.


Not in those words but this is a clear declaration of readyness to outsource scumhunting because he was oh so critical in his thinking, so much better than everyone else.

You didn't say sheep him or die, but you would've if you weren't so afraid to get your hands dirty and vote for ke yourself.

It's normal for LS to default to other people's reads. He's lemming'd before when he has strong townreads. It does not make him mafia.

Address my GB read please.

I didn't come up my townread on him because of other people I felt he was townie and called him town so when I saw him flip I wasn't suprised that he was town. Also RB the bolded CHodge was one of the few people who was doing any real work at the time I made that read.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 16:45 GMT
#548
On April 09 2016 01:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Get better Ian

^
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 23:05 GMT
#591
I kinda want to see why DYH thinks Lex(Artanis) is scum but I don't think Lex is scum unless he going to pull a Imperial on me. Never Forget Imperial the biggest post count game in TL Mafia History.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 23:07 GMT
#592
Also side note: Race could be town but his case would be shattered if he decided to check my past games XD
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 23:07 GMT
#593
His case on me I mean.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 23:34 GMT
#595
On April 09 2016 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Art, is pretty simple why you're scum.

You're scum because you had a clear scumread on me that you keep pushing without reconsidering it or without actually caring that much for other people (kinda like a tunnel)

But then, while your target IS getting lynched, you propose a shenannie. And it's not a case of not knowing who to lynched. I didn't found a single post where you consider I'm town ONCE. You just kept straight calling me mafia.

The part where you say neither me and race were here to defend ourselves is bullshit. Fidei wasn't either and it doesn't matter whether he wasn't becshse he was playing Dota or because he was busy saving a whale from Eskimos.

To those wondering what is the mafia morivation behind that: mislynching a townie and keep people discussing the lynch on another townie he was already easily pushing

I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.


is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.


Well, then I just confirm my theory that there wasn't a single thing that would make you be afraid of lynching me.

It's not a narrative, Art. You have a guy you think is Mafia but you decide to vote someone else and keep this scumread alive. It doesn't make sense.

In other words: what made you think that having shenannies was better than lynching me?

Because shit was hectic and my mind was going everywhere with all the lynches going on. I wanted to hear more from both you and RB and neither of you were there nor had a chance to be there, whereas Fidei did and elected not to. That drove me to want to lynch him.


Did you have any reason to scumread fidei?

[image loading]


You've said you wanted to lunch him but didn't give a single reason to why he is mafia. That's why I'm asking.

James decided to play Dota instead of playing the game at EoD hence the gif of the guy disappearing.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 23:50 GMT
#597
On April 09 2016 08:46 Gossemerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 08:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 09 2016 08:28 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 06:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 06:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2016 05:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
[quote]
I have reconsidered it. Then you came back and posted more excuses. I have gone over your filter twice already in the past.
There is a difference between going afk to play DotA 2 2 hours before deadline or having uni. One is much more of a conscious choice than the other.


is there something on day1 that made you think I'm town?

Early Day1 I thought you were aware of my intentions of getting the game started and played along, but then you having absolutely no followups whatsoever changed that. The few reads you threw out there in the last page were meh and this omgus narrative is, as you would put it, kinda boring.


Well, then I just confirm my theory that there wasn't a single thing that would make you be afraid of lynching me.

It's not a narrative, Art. You have a guy you think is Mafia but you decide to vote someone else and keep this scumread alive. It doesn't make sense.

In other words: what made you think that having shenannies was better than lynching me?

Because shit was hectic and my mind was going everywhere with all the lynches going on. I wanted to hear more from both you and RB and neither of you were there nor had a chance to be there, whereas Fidei did and elected not to. That drove me to want to lynch him.


Did you have any reason to scumread fidei?

[image loading]


You've said you wanted to lunch him but didn't give a single reason to why he is mafia. That's why I'm asking.

James decided to play Dota instead of playing the game at EoD hence the gif of the guy disappearing.


What I still don't understand is why Artanis stayed with the Fidie vote even after he came back. And then didn't jump back on GB or switch to boxer. Too many other mafia on boxer maybe?

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On April 07 2016 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Do we have the people to switch to Fidei? I really actually believe in him being far more likely to start playing dota 2h before deadline and not check in before as scum than as town.


Agreeing with others on the Art case; from my offline notes--
1. D1 pushes GB very hard. 2. drops it and causes ML in the chaos 3. N1 doesnt seem to care about the ML 4. D2 brings back his push on GB, which if GB flips town he can just refer back to his earlier thoughts and have an explanation.

I feel like we have strong cases on GB and Art collectively -- should consolidate and agree on one to lynch. I don't want to have a weird wagon like D1. Much more likely to lynch a scum with more than 4 votes on a single player-- less chance for wagon and flipping.


Idk either regarding the first part of the post but EoD was very weird though >.<
Second part of the post if GB flips town Lex would look a bit worse but if GB flips scum he earns a ton of towncred.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 00:58 GMT
#600
On April 09 2016 09:11 Gossemerr wrote:
EBWOP:
in favor of*

I honestly don't know because I do believe that GB town and same with Lex but if I wrong anyone maybe GB because I am a huge sucker for him.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 12:25 GMT
#603
FYI I mainly will be phone posting today due to going to a field trip for college.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 19:37 GMT
#619
On my way hom:
On April 10 2016 02:15 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Also side note: Race could be town but his case would be shattered if he decided to check my past games XD
At some point real arguments outweigh meta ones. Unless someone can vouch for your scumgame being free of mischievous and clandestine manipulation I don't see how my argument would be shattered; are you saying you're utterly incapable of it? What's more you said you were switching to a content-oriented town meta, content the existence of which there is none to be found ... in actuality you may be playing against your scum meta. Furthermore established players find it hard to read you. Therefore I conclude that it's safe to disregard meta in your case.

Nevertheless my argument stems from the premise of me being town so I have to die first for others to acknowledge it.
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 01:55 Fidei86 wrote:
Guys. we are switching to Spika. He has enough posts to know he isn't lurking, but not enough to have contributed anything. Artanis might be mafia, but Spika is dead weight.

##Vote: Spikasaur

I can get behind that, but I still think LS should be are lynch.

Lex (Artanis) can vouch for me as he just hosted a game where I rolled scum.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 19:40 GMT
#621
On April 10 2016 02:48 Race Bannon wrote:
LS is scum.

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2016 09:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 09 2016 09:11 Gossemerr wrote:
EBWOP:
in favor of*

I honestly don't know because I do believe that GB town and same with Lex but if I wrong anyone maybe GB because I am a huge sucker for him.

Day 1 lead the lynch on a townie who predictably could't make the deadline (Germany). Day 2 no scumspect. CH would've been glad to lynch him so perhaps that's why he got offed.

In the post which I got my scumread from, there may be a vet crumb to render an eventual fake claim more persuasive.
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On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point.

notice the capitalization.

In case you haven't heard already I'm fairly certain that the timing of this post and it's content is indicative of scum parading CH as the most proficient townie in the field and thus making my lynch more attractive because CH was voting me.


No I capitalize it that way because I was talking me,lex, and GB not the role o.o I don't even know the setup.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 19:45 GMT
#622
On April 10 2016 04:39 GlowingBear wrote:
LS, who is scum?
Vote Artanis with me

Idk probably you or lex if I wrong on you or him. Lex because he can play a good scum game when he wants to. You because I like you.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 21:19 GMT
#625
On April 10 2016 06:06 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm out with a friend at the moment, can someone remind me whether the deadline is 11 or midnight UK time?

It's in 1 hour and 40 minutes.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 21:20 GMT
#626
On April 10 2016 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 04:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 10 2016 02:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay guys, you know who we're not lynching today? Me. I'm going to make a long-ass post right the fuck now and you're all going to read it and realize how bad you were for ever even considering me as scum, after which I will slam dunk scumbear some more. If for whatever reason you don't want to lynch him we can also lynch scum bannon. To keep your interest in this post and read it all the way through, I have uploaded several entertaining images depicting emotions I expect these two fellows to have as they go through this post.

This post will contain narrative and self-meta. Deal with it.

You're mafia because you wanted people to shenanny to Fidei when you were scumreading both GB and RB!
First off, I have never* shenannied as mafia, whereas I have shenannied many times as town. I keep things simple as mafia, going for the safe plays over the fancy plays. I like to have control, not cause even more chaos like what happened. No one could've predicted what would happen at EoD and if any of the lead wagons were scum and Fidei is town, I could end up looking really bad and/or scum ends up getting lynched instead.
[image loading]
GB casually escaping the thread after realizing he's fucked


But GB brought up this point about how you could push him the day after if you're scum!
That is technically correct. However, it is also narrative. Another explanation is that I simply thought Fidei was the most likely to flip mafia given the fact that Fidei generally tryhards, finds out he's playing a game 2 hours before deadline and doesn't put in any effort to do anything and just starts playing dota. I found that very unlikely to come from town. Since then I have changed my opinion on him given what he's posted during the night.

Regardless, there is clear town motivation for my actions. I tried getting the person I felt was most likely to flip scum lynched. I no longer think he's the most likely person to flip scum, so I'm persuing GRB.

[image loading]
Race Bannon realizing the gig is up


But why did you instantly go after GB and RB again? Clearly you're confident enough that they're scum, so why?
GB's return to the thread has been less than impressive. He's tunneling me much like he usually tunnels HF. None of his posts have followup. He said he played along with me in the start, but never followed up on it. He commented on a bunch of things people have been posting, but none of those had followups either. Calls me scum but doesn't actually substantiate it until I call him out on it and doesn't push the issue until he sees that it's gaining some momentum.

So how certain are you that GB is going to flip scum?
Roughly.. 80%? Probably around 60% for RB.

Okay, so say the EoD shenannies don't make you scum. You still did nothing on the first part of D1 leading up to deadline.
I have said in the pregame that I intend to spend less time on this game than before. I still pinged plenty of people and as many have put it, sparked discussion. Reads on DYH, Tumblewood, GB and Spikasaur that weren't posted as prolifically yet as I had as well as poking Damdred and RB. I say that given the amount of time I've put in the game I've done my fair share.

Regardless you misremembered things about EoD!
Shit was hectic and I have bad memory. I don't believe having poor memory is alignment indicative, especially when it's about things that can easily be checked. No reason to lie as either alignment.

So there's basically no good reason to scumread you whatsoever?
Yup, that's kinda what it comes down to. Y'all are jubjubs.

[image loading]
Scumbear being chased by the man of the hour


Can you tell us why GB and RB are scum again now?
GlowingBear, I've already mentioned a lot of reasons why he's scum. No followup on anything he's done, and lack of caring in general. He created a narrative in which the actions at EoD make sense for him as town and me as scum, when actually the scenario that would make the most sense is for me to be town as I led a lynch off of him onto someone else whom could be scum. The only townie with the information that that isn't true is Fidei himself, and the fact that GB created this narrative before considering any others suggests an agenda.

Race Bannon has contradicted himself time and time again. Firstly what Gossemerr pointed out about him believing that it was a mafia trait to hard townread CHodge only to do it himself, and his push on LS feels feigned. He doesn't dare to commit on GB because he doesn't want to scumread his scumbuddy. There are no good arguments not to vote on GB especially for him as he was on the table himself and he KNOWS he's town. The fact that he seems so disengaged on all the people that were up for lynch yesterday is concerning.

So who are we lynching?
Glowingbear today. Race Bannon tomorrow. Could be convinced of the other order as well.

[image loading]


*Exception being Imperial where I shenannied onto Palmar, but if I hadn't scum Marv would've likely gotten lynched. No such risk this game as proven by BF's flip.


And in Imperial you've made an entire fluff post like this one

I'm 100% sure you're Mafia. I hope people understand how your EoD actions doesn't make sense and how your answers to my questions doesn't add up to your story.

Btw there are no follow up to SOME of my posts, because I'm simply convinced you're mafia. I've tried to take a grasp of your entire thought process but you've interrupted our conversation when I've asked what made you think Fidei is Mafia.

Come on, saying someone is Mafia because he decided to play Dota at EOD is silly. It's not strong enough to grant a shenannie off of a player you're convinced is Mafia (the reasons you present here are the same you'vr brought day1, and you're sure in Mafia solely for that)

Yes and I've never made reads posts like this as town before. Oh wait.

My EoD actions make perfect sense and I explained them just there. You weren't convinced I was mafia earlier and you still had no followup back then. I responded with a gif because I had already repeated 20.000 times why I thought Fidei was mafia at the time. He had literally only made like 2-3 posts and the only thing that he said of any consequence was that he was going to play dota instead of this game right at the deadline, so of course that was the only reason. You asked a question you either already knew the answer of or haven't been reading.

Whether it's silly or not doesn't matter. I believed in it at the time. I also wasn't convinced you were mafia which you'd know if you read my post. I thought you were, and I still think you are. The reasons I've presented have increased in strength by a lot given that you've continued to do nothing useful.

If gb isn't scum other than race who would be scum and why?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 22:18 GMT
#650
On April 10 2016 07:15 Tumblewood wrote:
If GB flips town, I am 100% lynching Art. I don't see TvT or SvS here.

Pretty much what I was thinking.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 22:24 GMT
#656
On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you?

Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 22:28 GMT
#663
On April 10 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you?

Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you.


Why am I scum?

If you are scum it's because you were doing more narratives than I remember you doing.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 22:35 GMT
#674
On April 10 2016 07:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 07:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:25 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 10 2016 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, do you have a scum read at least? Or you're just voting between the two leading wagons because it's comfortsble to you?

Maybe RB if we follow the LS rule and how he ignored talking about you.


Why am I scum?

If you are scum it's because you were doing more narratives than I remember you doing.


You're just quoting artanis

I want you to explain why my arguments are narratives, or you'll just saying things you don't know the meaning.

So first you brushed it off like it was nothing then you omgus his case on you. Then you made a case on him on stuff he can do as town?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 09 2016 22:38 GMT
#677
I up for a RB lynch if we got the people for it.
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