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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 06 2016 22:29 GMT
#364
If GB is scum then maybe I will need to relook at Lex's GB flow chart for town vs scum.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 06 2016 22:51 GMT
#387
On April 07 2016 07:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay I'm back.
Who's up for shenannies?

I only my phone so not really.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 06 2016 23:11 GMT
#417
-_- Figured when people started to vote him after I did. This will give us some decent information.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 06 2016 23:11 GMT
#418
Oh shit he was our vet. Damn it.........
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 06 2016 23:13 GMT
#422
On April 07 2016 08:13 Damdred wrote:
I think fid kinda confirmed himself town almost with his last few posts when he thought he was dead hrm

He pulled a me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 00:02 GMT
#430
On April 07 2016 08:59 DoYouHas wrote:
He said it right before the deadline. Seems likely to me he did not see Damdred's vote that saved him, which was also right before deadline. He has no reason to lie right there and his pointing to his record of no ML's ending shows his focus had moved past the concerns of this game.

+1
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 18:29 GMT
#465
I here now just got done with my geology test.
On April 08 2016 02:27 Gossemerr wrote:
OK, I agree my last post was definitely was poor form as a townie. Was really confused by the sudden flips and made a rash post before realizing I was tired and just went to bed. But I’ll make up for it here with the reads I promised. Also not going to comment in length about my choice to vote Race, I set out my D1 read and stuck to it.

Thoughts on the last minute flips: we basically had two wagons set up there at the end which ended with boxer lynched. I think it’s fair to assume that 1-2 mafia ended up on boxer (highly doubtful all three would be on it.) So those 4 are: GlowingBear, LightnightStrike, Fidei86, and Damdred.

First Fidei: I’m inclined to believe his near death post as truth, had no reason to lie when it look like he was dead. Only case would be if Damdred and him were scheming together with the combo of that (almost town confirming post) and Dam’s super late flip. Cannot read too much into that at this time but it will be good for us to keep in mind moving forward by keeping an eye on both of their actions both independently and when analyzed together.

For now I read Fidei86 as town with the above coupled with his great analysis post today.

Now GB: I feel his case against Boxer was pretty weak and then he just stopped posting in the thread after he *maybe* thought he would be lynched. Leaning scum to me currently. Would love his thoughts after the ML.
GlowingBear maybe mafia

LS: Ok right off the bat I liked his anlysis on early analysis on CHodge:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and I think CHodge is Town for a few reasons.
1. His approach to the game is quite different than a normal newbie regarding Vet players like myself and Artanis.
2. He been more thinking critically than me and everyone else up to this point.

But if you take a look at his filter after that it is literally filled with 1 liners. Asks questions mainly that seem very very uninspired. He is tip-toeing around and not offering any analysis on whom he thinks could be mafia and why. He votes Boxer out of nowhere without analysis. Very scummy IMO.
LightningStrike currently lacks inspiring confident posting – my read is likely mafia

Finally Damdred: My read is poor on Dam right now. Most of posts do not offer significant analysis. Very wishy-washy at the end of the day with stating multiple lynch candidates. Decides to stay on boxer for unknown reason.
Damdred neutral to maybe scum right now

Now the peeps on Fidei86: Art, DYH, and Spike:

Start with Art whom started this whole wagon shen:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2016 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Do we have the people to switch to Fidei? I really actually believe in him being far more likely to start playing dota 2h before deadline and not check in before as scum than as town.

So he says this and then stays on Fidei even when Fidei comes back which would be a town trait according to him. Before all of this mess he is pushing GB super hard @ post #260, then suddenly drops it to start the wagon.
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2016 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also taking full credit when GB flips scum.

So maybe I’m reading to much into this because the mixed up did create a lot of activity for later analysis which could have been his plan all along, but I’m currently reading it as a scummy.
Artanis is maybe mafia

Now DYH: I have no idea. I had scummy vibes coming from early on but that is purely gut.
DYH is neutral

Spika: pretty absent, maybe anti-town behaviors initially.
Spikasaur is maybe mafia based purely on anti-town comments

Others:
Kuragari42: Like his dislike of the wagons and of the Boxer case by BG
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2016 07:04 Kuragari42 wrote:
I'm going to vote GB bc he was who I was leaning scum on earlier today and now he is pushing a BF lynch that I don't see reason behind.

Other than that not much to go by, leaning town on Kura

Tumblewood: I like his reads and analysis thus far. Seems not afraid to make a case, like with GB, and is willing to put is nickel down. Seems very pro-town to me right now.
Tumblewood maybe town

CHodge: Pro-town with posts and analysis. Town vibes
CHodge maybe town

Race still likely mafia based on my before post coupled with lack of activity since.

Summary of my reads:
Likely Mafia:
Race Bannon, LightningStrike
Maybe Mafia:
Artanis[xp], GlowingBear, Damdred, Spikasaur
No Clue:
Kuragari42, DoYouHas
Maybe Town:
CHodge, Tumblewood
Likely Town:
Fidei86


I know I posted a lot of one liners but some of them were me agreeing with people's thoughts hence the +1s.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 18:31 GMT
#466
On April 07 2016 22:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, it took my whole lunch break, but I have read through the thread. I'll post my entire notes at the bottom, as I don't have time to fully post before I have to start working again.

The short is that I'm pretty sure Tumbleweed and Gossemerr are mafia.

MAFIA

Gossemerr's posts are pretty mediocre. I hate his read on Race at #287 and his last post at #390 was classic "let's see what happens". As far as I can see, he hasn't done anything useful.

Tumbleweed's entire filter can be summarised as follows: "this person might be mafia, but I'm not sure...". This is classic mafia play. It's so tentative, it's like me every time I try and kiss a girl on a third date.

My guess for third mafia is Artanis. I agree with everything Damdred said about Artanis being vocal and yet pointless at the same time. HOWEVER, I'm less sure on this because I'm not sure I see the value in a mafia Artanis leading a shennany on to me so late.

NULL BECAUSE TERRIBLE - WOULD LYNCH

2) Kuragari42
3) Spikasaur

TOWN PILE

Race Bannon is town. Ride or die. His post at #208 was spot on viz boxer. His comment at #265 on Artanis was spot on. He's been active and I've agreed with most of what he's said.

DYH is town. He pressured newbies to post early [#180], and I loved his early read on Tumblewood.

I think CHODGE is probably also town as well.

I'm leaning town on Damdred and GB, but I'm much more certain about Damdred than GB. GB has pretty much just shit-posted / over-thought things. But a lot of people have been pushing him. Damdred mod-confirmed me (accurately!) plus I feel the townie vibes generally.

LIGHTNING STRIKE PILE

At this point I have demonstrated that I can't even read LS when I'm scum. He and I speak totally different mafia languages. I would definitely vote to lynch him, but I say that every game and I always think I'm right on it.

====================================================

The Newblood
1) Race Bannon
#208 early town read on boxer from a newbie, when lots of other people posting, this guy is 100% town
#265 comments on Artanis' activity *pops champagne cork*
#294 this is so close to the bone, it has to be townie

2) Kuragari42
Is this guy playing?
#398 doesn't like lynches

3) Spikasaur
#204-#205 "hello"
#214 All filler no killer.
#390 switches to me for literally zero reason

4) Gossemerr
#287 read on Race Bannon. Hmmmm. reasoning is okay but something not quite right about it.
#350 okay prevarication read
#433 this is garbage "let's see what happens"

5) Fidei86 hehe

6) DoYouHas
I like him pressuring Newbies to post. [#180]
I like his read on Tumblewood (which I apparently missed in my first read through)

The Slightly old Blood

7) LightningStrike
#211 Lots of pressuring.
#264 town on CHodge, and I think this is townie

8) Artanis[xp]
This guy is mafia with Tumblewood [#260]
And his early vote on GB is garbage.
Starts shennanies on me. Why? I'm confused.

9) Damdred
#284 I think this is town Damdred. Also I think he switched off me because he knew my obvious town tells.
#298 pings artanis, likes racer, pings GB. Town.

10) boxerfred
RIP

11) CHodge
#217-#219 wtf. LS and RaceBannon lynches? And Tumblewood?
#242 this town read on Goss is garbage but also towny.
Tons of reads early.
#251 This scum read on GB makes a ton of sense.

12) Tumblewood
#193 Gathering reactions a good thing?
#197 AHHHHH over analysis, leading into a dead-end of nothingness without conclusions.
#253 Town points to CH for reads, but no reads himself
#291 more null reads *yawn*
#349 okay town points for this not being sure, reads more genuine

13) GlowingBear
#313 anyone scum reading BF gets mafia points, but I think this is more just GB overthinking things.

How was #211 hard pressuring? I thought it was light pressuring lol.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 18:38 GMT
#468
On April 08 2016 03:33 Fidei86 wrote:
LS trying to rationalise posting all one liners.
Dani and Tina are laughing their asses of at us, somewhere.

Why they would laugh at us? You just admitted that you can't read me lol.....
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 18:44 GMT
#470
On April 08 2016 03:39 Fidei86 wrote:
Laughing at me because I'm pretty sure your alignment is mega obvious, I just can't read you for shit.

If Tina was here we would have a couple in the game lol... Anyways you are practically mod confirmed town by pulling a me. Do you think there was Scum on both wagons and if so why?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 20:06 GMT
#473
On April 08 2016 04:58 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 03:18 Fidei86 wrote:
Fourth date this evening. I'll let y'all know how it goes.

Don't let your dreams be dreams.


So Just Do It!

But seriously though RB what you think of James(fideii) WoT?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 20:17 GMT
#476
On April 08 2016 05:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Lol LS quoting an entire WoT and only commenting on a single line of it... is that all you have to say?

Not really I was on my phone and didn't feel like making a large response to post.
I found he thought I was pressuring very weird and I can see why he thought it but maybe if he looked at context for everyone he should of found some different conclusions.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 22:58 GMT
#481
Okay last will in case I die for some reason:
James(fideii) unless it's get to LYLO.
CHodge is town.
GB/Damdred are probably town and same with Lex(artanis).
Hopefully I can a find if I still alive.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 23:03 GMT
#484
Figured he was town based on some of his posts. Oh well. Time for hunting scum. Lex if you are here who you think is scum and why?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 07 2016 23:54 GMT
#487
I mean on the wagons idk why I forgot to put it in there. Anyways so your reads on them haven't changed then. Okay.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 01:24 GMT
#488
So I checked CHodge's filter and he mainly went after Race so I wonder if he got killed by his Race read. Or Mafia just went for the minimum WIFOM kill.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 03:45 GMT
#493
On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions?

Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 13:02 GMT
#529
On April 08 2016 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions?

Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.


Can you explain further? What happened there? Was that break intentional?

Ya I did it for Damdred because me and Damdred became team Baby Rage according to Vivax XD
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 13:06 GMT
#530
On April 08 2016 21:46 Fidei86 wrote:
I hope you are happy, thread, because you FORCED ME to read LS's filter, and now I think he's scum again.

I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN.

I honestly think we should lynch LS just for his bullshit boxerfred vote. Everything else is too meh to even recount.

But if LS is mafia, I think he could be with Artanis. There's just too much deflecting off each other in their threads. But obviously TW, GB, Artanis and LS can't all be mafia, especially not with two AFK newbs.

AHHHHHHHHH. DYH I NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE.

I honestly didn't know who I wanted to lynch but when I rechecked boxer's filter on GB's request I decided to vote him but when people started to vote on him after me I did start to feel nervous about the flip just I didn't post it in the thread until after the lynch.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 08 2016 13:08 GMT
#531
On April 08 2016 19:12 Race Bannon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 07 2016 09:25 Race Bannon wrote:
On April 07 2016 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
With the people that ended up on the boxerfred lynch I'm not very surprised he flipped town.
Race Bannon, please answer this post when you get back:
On April 07 2016 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 07 2016 07:25 Gossemerr wrote:
I think the case on Boxer is pretty weak. Art's case on GB is stronger, but I don't feel like its strong enough to switch from my own read currently.

Also, CHodge why the flip?

I actually kinda like your case too reading it over again. Don't think the first two points hold much water (early fluff is normal at the start of a game and townreading someone despite them voting you is normal as well) but him pointing out that scum are more likely to point out the towniness of CHodge, then in the very next post underlining that townread is kinda iffy.

RB, can you explain why that sequence happened?
.

Determinism? What's your point?

Point is:
-You believe that mafia is more likely than town to underpin his towniness, calling out the guy you quoted as being scummy (presumably)
-You proceed to do the exact same thing
Basically, you called yourself scummy. Explain.

Gosse looks pretty good with that post. Would town. Reasoning for switching mentioned above.

Still want to lynch GB and RB.

I've changed my mind.
I believe LS was encouraging people to sheep him not because he thoughtt CH was town and worthy of being paraded as such with bulletpoints, but because he knew he was town voting a townie and encouraging him and others to mislynch me. Can you dig it, paragon? I never said sheeping was scummy or that in general scum tend to point out townieness, somehow getting caught in my own web in the process, that's just dumb.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2016 12:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 08 2016 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
@LS
Why is it important to you to be read as town for your content instead of for your emotions?

Because I broke that meta in Cell Who Wants To Be a Millionaire.

Not a fan of your content thus far either.

##Vote: LS

I thought CHodge was town but I didn't tell people to sheep me on that read -_- I guess you need to reread my filter on that part.
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