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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 01 2016 02:18 GMT
#20
/in
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 08 2016 06:15 GMT
#130
I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down:
Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired.
Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which was
On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape?

A few things,
Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game.
And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out.

It is a very scientific research i assure you.

It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions.
On March 08 2016 08:39 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shape it's just that you said that he would most likely do that as scum. He didn't do that. So logically wouldn't that make him most likely town?

Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue.
Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 08 2016 15:22 GMT
#170
On March 08 2016 19:47 Rels wrote:
Tumble what do you think of kush ?

I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question.
It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 08 2016 15:26 GMT
#171
Also geript town for persistently pushing a read that wasn't gaining much traction.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 08 2016 23:19 GMT
#295
Koshi is town 100% (okay, 90%) for his big post on yamato. If mafia were trying to get into the thread with a big read, yamato was a poor target at that point for having done little of note. Koshi showed that he was really examining the thread.
Also, his post immediately after that corrected something he said was made with the intent of informing town-- mafia would just leave it because most people would just ignore it or miss it entirely.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 08 2016 23:54 GMT
#297
On March 09 2016 08:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 08:19 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi is town 100% (okay, 90%) for his big post on yamato. If mafia were trying to get into the thread with a big read, yamato was a poor target at that point for having done little of note. Koshi showed that he was really examining the thread.
Also, his post immediately after that corrected something he said was made with the intent of informing town-- mafia would just leave it because most people would just ignore it or miss it entirely.


Step up your activity if possible or tell us why if you can't , would also be nice to know how experienced you are at mafia.

I'm particularly interested into knowing whether you think geript's reason to read you is sufficient to read you as town

I can't be active during my classes (except for some small 5-10 minute periods), which are from 8-3 PST. Wednesdays and weekends my schedule is more flexible. I also just post less than most players, usually about one page of filter per day cycle.
I have 2.5 (+1 observed) game of mafia on this site and 70 games of Town of "not even real mafia" Salem.
Geript didn't really give a reason for his read of me, so... no? What are you so interested to find out from that?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 00:19 GMT
#302
Vivax paced about the room. He kicked a box of old papers and then looked up. "Tumblewood," he said,
On March 09 2016 08:59 Vivax wrote:
do you think geript is mafia for not really having a reason to TR you?

I would have appealed to those questions, but there were no judges, only a jury. I had to settle this myself. "I never said geript didn't have a reason. He never gave one, though; that is true. And, no, I have no reason to believe geript is lying to us."
Vivax scoffed. I couldn't see his face, but I was quite sure he rolled his eyes a little.
On March 09 2016 08:59 Vivax wrote:
Would you even care if we lynched you?

Rhetorical or not, I felt I had to answer. "Of course I ca--"
"That's enough!"
I felt that Vivax had evaded me last time I asked him, so I went on the offensive. "Vivax, why did you feel my position on geript's favorable view toward me would help us? And, furthermore," I asked, "what was the purpose of acting whether I cared about my own death?" Perhaps Vivax was hiding something from me.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 01:45 GMT
#308
On March 09 2016 09:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 08:19 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi is town 100% (okay, 90%) for his big post on yamato. If mafia were trying to get into the thread with a big read, yamato was a poor target at that point for having done little of note. Koshi showed that he was really examining the thread.
Also, his post immediately after that corrected something he said was made with the intent of informing town-- mafia would just leave it because most people would just ignore it or miss it entirely.


Still want to lynch Tumble.
Why are mafia less likely to attack targets that have "done little of note"?

Because there's no obvious point of attack. Mafia tend to attack people who stand out, and at that point yamato very much blended in.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 02:13 GMT
#309
And Vivax, why would I be more likely to be town if I cared less?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 04:45 GMT
#311
And I still don't feel like I got a proper response to "Why did you care about how I feel about geript's read on me?"
Also, I suggest you not get caught up in my filter length for "care factor" (not that I think that's a good basis for a read) because this game is about average in terms of filter production so far-- my longest was about 85 posts over 2 weeks.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 06:11 GMT
#314
I'm going to sleep in half an hour. If you want to say something, say it now or for eight hours hold your peace.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 06:23 GMT
#317
My preferred lynch order is Vivax (for asking questions that do not help to solve the game) --> Slam (idk, sheeping geript on this), and unless either has a defense, good night.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 15:53 GMT
#378
"Vivax, you are under arrest."
"Under What charges?"
"First degree not having good reasons for what you say, ignoring all scum reads, and a misdemeanor of buddying kush."
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 17:03 GMT
#388
I have filtered vivax, and he's made a ton of claims for bad or no reasons.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 18:54 GMT
#405
On March 08 2016 08:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2016 08:32 Shapelog wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:27 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:26 Shapelog wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:25 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:24 Shapelog wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:17 Shapelog wrote:
On March 08 2016 08:13 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
What does your science tell you so far, Shape?

A few things,
Vivax reported in yet has not done much. A course this is 15 mins into the game.
And I have a experiment about the Time kushs will live in this game compared to their ban time. At every vote count, I shall note how long this subject lasts until if one VC kills him. Then time the time it takes for his ban to run out.

It is a very scientific research i assure you.


About vivax:
If he were scum why not use his perfectly valid pregame excuse to not show up until tomorrow?

Did you think I was implying him to be scum? I just saw that and just said something about it.

About this question, Most likely. half a day-day is not that much to miss.


Most likely what?

Most likely he would use the excuss


So Vivax is most likely town?

Yes totally kush, one situation is all that i look for as town to town read someone. Does he look townie in that situation, yes. Does that mean he is town? no. You know that that is not a reasonable town read reason.


whats the point of you mentioning me reporting in and not doing much then if its completely nai apparently

scum points for you and town points for kush

It's like he purposely misinterpreted Shape... And also no reason for kush town points.
On March 09 2016 03:33 Vivax wrote:
lol koshi is so town, cute

No reason
On March 09 2016 03:36 Vivax wrote:
i was hoping geript would take interest into my post about slam as that was the point where he could have gone "yes, yes! Lynch slam with me now" which would have been in line with the tryhard tone of the rest of his posts.

But let's see

This is just so contrived, I don't know how Vivax thinks this works
On March 09 2016 04:02 Vivax wrote:
i love how this game has a time limit presented as a feature when it's prolly just hapa being too busy to host after the 14 days, but yea cool attempt at marketing it.

back to the topic at hand:

Geript, do you think TW's reason to TR you is valid past the point of early game shitty reads people tend to give out on D1 (and is going to suffice for the rest of the game) ?

What do you expect to gain from this? "Geript, do you think TW's throwaway read is solid and will suffice for the rest of the game?" Of course not, you know better than that.
QUOTE]On March 09 2016 10:18 Vivax wrote:
I wanted to know how much tumble actually cares about the game cause it's easier for me to think him town if I assume he doesn't care much. Is he another hopeless1der or doesn't he care to do much cause he's scum? That was pretty much the thought.

And kush, I have 2 citizenships[/QUOTE]
Not caring = more townie
On March 09 2016 20:36 Vivax wrote:
Instead of playing thouhgtfully geript is acting like a mentally unstable steroid abuser who quickly wants to kill some shit and pushes for all kinds of awful lynches.
All that forced aggression makes me want to lynch him before TW, maybe the badness of koshi and yamato will magically disappear afterwards.

Plays off what geript says because "he's recklessly trying to lynch people," avoiding actually responding to it and OMGUSing geript.
On March 09 2016 22:45 Vivax wrote:
Koshi in a nutshell.

[image loading]

I even found a picture with his role printed on the cheek.

"lol koshi's mad and that invalidates what he says"

It's like he took a page from the marv scum handbook of ignoring and insulting people who scumread him. Also, questions that don't help anyone and reads for shitty reasons.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 09 2016 18:59 GMT
#408
Vivax, actually respond to my points instead of poking useless holes in my words.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 00:28 GMT
#555
Here's how I felt circa 11:45 today:
I had a hunch that Vivax was the killer. It all lined up. Slam, his partner-in-crime? Well, it's hard to be sure, but it was a good place to start from.
Then I saw the vote tally. Three people shared my suspicion toward Slam, but it was hard to find anyone willing to vote against Vivax. I had to catch the twelve o'clock, and time was running out. We shouldn't waste another day without acting, and... Slam had just practically conceded to his own lynch.
Had the support been different, perhaps I would have put my tally under "Vivax", but I saw that going nowhere. I slipped my tally under "Slam" and hurried to the station.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 00:30 GMT
#557
holy shit wtf was that geript vote
it was a godread, you said...
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 00:58 GMT
#568
Slam opened up a bottle of chardonnay, and then a riesling. Without turning to face me, he began, "I foresee my own death tomorrow, but tonight we drink. Take either glass." He finished pouring the second, and stared at me. After a while, he nodded, prodded me to choose one. I knew that one of the bottles was poisoned, it had to be: Only, I was no connoisseur-- how was I to tell which one?
I think Slam is meta-WIFOMing or whatever that means and yamato isn't scum by implication of his post. So, if yamato is the riesling and people who aren't yamato are the chardonnay, I'm drinking the chardonnay.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 01:02 GMT
#571
On March 10 2016 09:59 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2016 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
Slam opened up a bottle of chardonnay, and then a riesling. Without turning to face me, he began, "I foresee my own death tomorrow, but tonight we drink. Take either glass." He finished pouring the second, and stared at me. After a while, he nodded, prodded me to choose one. I knew that one of the bottles was poisoned, it had to be: Only, I was no connoisseur-- how was I to tell which one?
I think Slam is meta-WIFOMing or whatever that means and yamato isn't scum by implication of his post. So, if yamato is the riesling and people who aren't yamato are the chardonnay, I'm drinking the chardonnay.

So you, like everyone else seemingly, are convinced that Slam is actually mafia?

Yeah. I'm kinda hesitant because this is a weird situation for me (actually claiming scum? pls) but if Slam isn't, who is?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 01:06 GMT
#574
actually claiming scum? pls
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 18:55 GMT
#732
People scumreading yamato: Could you explain to me why? I'm just not seeing it.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 19:09 GMT
#737
Vivax's Shape comment is weird coming from scum; they'd just put it in their QT.
Of course, that's also weird coming from town, but less so.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 10 2016 19:35 GMT
#755
On March 11 2016 04:33 Vivax wrote:
In yams example its not an insult, it's just a fact. He just isn't capable of playing a rather complex game, which is also why he will always remain a shitty gas station clerk no matter how much money he saves up.

"not an insult"
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 01:32 GMT
#837
Knowing that kush was scum, I feel that Shape has to be town. Their interaction at the start of D1 felt very organic; kush was trying to make Shape mess up. Other than that I haven't read into kush v. Shape, but that time would be better spent on someone I think might be scum.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 01:33 GMT
#838
Also geript slightly townier because he couldn't be bussing Slam
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 01:43 GMT
#840
On March 12 2016 10:42 Shapelog wrote:
I concure, though Geript filter needs a read through.
Do you support my movement Tumble?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Got to spread the message! Every post, every time! Make TL MAFIA GREAT AGAIN!!!!

That's not a movement, you're already there
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 04:31 GMT
#846
Shape just went so far into "how am I being townread" territory that I'm actually getting a little skeptical.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 05:57 GMT
#849
I think geript is town, because his god read is a really risky move for scum to try on a townie, and only one of geript and Slam could possibly be scum.
Rels is just skating by. He hasn't done anything I can point at and yell "scummy because XYZ", but he hasn't done anything notable in general. He feels like the guy who could win by virtue of everyone ignoring him.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 12 2016 05:59 GMT
#850
You've listed them as preferred lynches. Why is that?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 13 2016 04:21 GMT
#874
On March 13 2016 12:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2016 09:03 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2016 08:45 Alakaslam wrote:
lynch shape next.

Why?

Pure meta

Could you say a little more? The meta isn't exactly clear.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 13 2016 08:27 GMT
#876
On March 13 2016 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2016 13:21 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 13 2016 12:51 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 13 2016 09:03 Koshi wrote:
On March 13 2016 08:45 Alakaslam wrote:
lynch shape next.

Why?

Pure meta

Could you say a little more? The meta isn't exactly clear.

Pfft you were scum that game too

What is he doing differently?

You could ask me that any game and I wouldn't know. The only thing I have for him this game are his interactions with kush.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 13 2016 22:12 GMT
#913
I am confident scum is within:
Slam
Rels
Shape?
Slam feels mostly right to me, but I'm also worried about how easy that lynch is for scum. Shape feels mostly wrong, but I could see him just trying to coast through to lylo.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 13 2016 22:14 GMT
#914
I'm looking out for anyone whose play became more defensive (i.e., more careful about getting lynched) after the modkill.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 14 2016 18:56 GMT
#999
Apparently my inactivity is alignment indicative to you, so I just stopped by to say you're wrong.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 14 2016 18:57 GMT
#1000
And also, Rels, if you see that as scummy, what do you think of yamato?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 14 2016 19:03 GMT
#1002
Koshi, I'm just cautioning you towards voting Shape for trolling over helping. He is Slam Jr. with a greater filter size. Do you think it's so extreme that he's just hiding behind his playstyle?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 14 2016 19:06 GMT
#1003
Oh... that last post. I have just one or two reasons to think it's Shape, and it's going to take a filter dive for me to remember.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 14 2016 19:11 GMT
#1004
Lol what ever happened to that "scientific" scumhunting method?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 16 2016 02:56 GMT
#1063
I just looked through yamato's filter, and I think he could be scum. Here are the points against:
- Inactive since D1 (not really a point since activity reads suck)
- Says I'm the best lynch without giving any read on me
- Lacking substantive reads in general
- Not invested in the D2 lynch even though he said "literally never lynching Slam"
Those townreading yamato, what do you see in him?
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 16 2016 17:53 GMT
#1094
The thing that sticks out to me about Shape's D3 play is that it doesn't look like he's having fun. Usually his trolling is clearly carefree, but even the Hapa thing looks like he's trolling so he can maintain his image.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 17 2016 02:19 GMT
#1162
gg
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