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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 15 2016 23:29 GMT
#1061
Mafia is either a complete idiot or the doctor is a God.

Either way, we still lynch tumble.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 16 2016 01:47 GMT
#1062
Vote Count - Day 3


Tumblewood (1): Koshi

Not Voting (5): yamato77, Shapelog, geript, Tumblewood, Rels

At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 6 players, 4 are needed to lynch.
The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00)

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
March 16 2016 02:56 GMT
#1063
I just looked through yamato's filter, and I think he could be scum. Here are the points against:
- Inactive since D1 (not really a point since activity reads suck)
- Says I'm the best lynch without giving any read on me
- Lacking substantive reads in general
- Not invested in the D2 lynch even though he said "literally never lynching Slam"
Those townreading yamato, what do you see in him?
good times for all
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 08:42 GMT
#1064
I don't have filters but what I think is true:

1. Kush went after Shape at the start and shape looked odd in that conversation. I can't describe it better.
2. Kush had Shape as mafia the entire time but never attempted to read Shape again except for meta reasons you can't really apply in this game. I am not sure about this, but I think Kush made no sharp observation on Shape.
3. Shape made a post 4 minutes before the EoD2 about how tumble is town. While voting Alakaslam. Who the fuck cares about Tumble being town when your main suspect is getting lynched in 4 minutes and the game can end?
4. Shape was very defensive when I accused him. This already happened twice. There is just a disconnect between his dumb trolling and then the seriousness of him being defensive. He quoted a couple post in which I flamed Vivax to discredit me... Really strange thing to do.
5. The voting and outrage on Hapa probably comes from the fact Kush got modkilled and that he forgot to send in a kill N1. The excuse he gave me "why wouldn't I do it in the scum QT" is actually pretty scummy. Why not be idgaf?


All these things probably not all make him mafia. But he deserves my vote.

##unvote
##vote Shape
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 08:47 GMT
#1065
On March 16 2016 08:29 yamato77 wrote:
Mafia is either a complete idiot or the doctor is a God.

Either way, we still lynch tumble.

I think we shoudln't. Let's lynch Shape please.

Both tumble and slam are town. I really thought so yesterday and I still do.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 08:51 GMT
#1066
Rels buddy, remember that early game case you had? Let's do it!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 08:52 GMT
#1067
On March 16 2016 11:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I just looked through yamato's filter, and I think he could be scum. Here are the points against:
- Inactive since D1 (not really a point since activity reads suck)
- Says I'm the best lynch without giving any read on me
- Lacking substantive reads in general
- Not invested in the D2 lynch even though he said "literally never lynching Slam"
Those townreading yamato, what do you see in him?

I am not sure all these points are extremely fair. I could see yamato being mafia somewhere though. For me it is

Rels
geript
tumble
yamato
shape


From ↑supertown to ↓supermafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 12:01 GMT
#1068
Lol Mafia forgot to put their gun off of safety
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 12:31 GMT
#1069
On March 16 2016 17:42 Koshi wrote:
I don't have filters but what I think is true:

1. Kush went after Shape at the start and shape looked odd in that conversation. I can't describe it better.
2. Kush had Shape as mafia the entire time but never attempted to read Shape again except for meta reasons you can't really apply in this game. I am not sure about this, but I think Kush made no sharp observation on Shape.
3. Shape made a post 4 minutes before the EoD2 about how tumble is town. While voting Alakaslam. Who the fuck cares about Tumble being town when your main suspect is getting lynched in 4 minutes and the game can end?
4. Shape was very defensive when I accused him. This already happened twice. There is just a disconnect between his dumb trolling and then the seriousness of him being defensive. He quoted a couple post in which I flamed Vivax to discredit me... Really strange thing to do.
5. The voting and outrage on Hapa probably comes from the fact Kush got modkilled and that he forgot to send in a kill N1. The excuse he gave me "why wouldn't I do it in the scum QT" is actually pretty scummy. Why not be idgaf?


All these things probably not all make him mafia. But he deserves my vote.

##unvote
##vote Shape

Yay! It finally came!

1. If it was mafia vs and mafia, which it has to be inorder for me to be scum. Would I look as weird/weak as i did? I mean I do have the 1 game history to back it up, but would I and kush (as a supposed team) risk losing one of us? Answer is yes, At least for me, I wouldn't mind bussing the shit out of my team mates to secure town cred. But in this version of mafia, with the timer, idk what i would do. I mean mafia in this game has the choice between MLing to victory or stalling to victory (the last one is prob. the right one.)

I guess you could tinfoil that Kush and I pushed each other inorder to build town cred, but when Vivax found me sus. Kush pocketed him to protect me or something like that. Then me dying or something was a backup thing. But why would Kush Jump on tumble, and then have me to fight the wagon?

2. He didn't, and i agreed with you on it. I think i responded to him about it (or something about meta)

3. Are these the posts you are talking about?
On March 15 2016 07:56 Shapelog wrote:
Actually Koshi, I just saw something.
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 07:14 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm looking out for anyone whose play became more defensive (i.e., more careful about getting lynched) after the modkill.

But then he
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 03:56 Tumblewood wrote:
Apparently my inactivity is alignment indicative to you, so I just stopped by to say you're wrong.

So apparently he is looking at people, but yet is not here.

Hmmm, worth noting. If i do not die over night. I look into it more. Idk, Maybe I shouldn't trust my gut, eh i just feel like tumble is town though.

Worth noting that because he should have something now... Even if it was nada he should still have something. Right?

On March 15 2016 07:58 Shapelog wrote:
RISKING IT.
HE SHOULD BE PUTTING IN EFFORT WITH THE 1st POST, BUT THE SECOND POST DOES NOT SUGGESTS THAT. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO BRING TO THE TAME I DO NOT KNOW IF IT SCUM OR NOT BUT IT IS WORTH NOTING...

I posted those because i look in is filter to find the post for this post:
On March 15 2016 07:52 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Well I am not a fan of any of these 2 lynches but guess I can go for Tumble. Both can't save themselves.

Slam has had ample about of time to thwart the sus, on him but yet has instead said fucked it and peaced.

Tumble, IIRC, was pissed or something about being sus. about activity.

I found something that (at the time) made be question my tumble read (that I actually need to follow up on), a course it didn't made me go "omg omg do i unvote because it is actually tumble" but it was just something i saw that felt off and i wanted to make the thread aware in case of game not ending.
I still need to question Tumble about it too, so thanks for the remind me.

4. That was me making a joke because I found a gif....... I was defensive, because until now you have not actually post a reason to scum read me other than trolling and crud (at least to my knowledge). Kinda hard for me to listen to you when you go tunnel mode and you know why you are scumming me, but no one else really did.

5. So I, as scum, would forgot to send a NK because i was pissed at a modkill that i could played with to make myself even more townie at the time? I thought you didn't care about mafia WIFOM.
How is me saying "why wouldn't I do in it the scum QT" more scummy than saying no,...? It's legitimately a valid point. Do you have a reason for me NOT doing it in the supposed QT?


"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 12:45 GMT
#1070
I am actually semi-convince that scum is just playing the waiting game.If that is the case, someone who is thought to be town, is not town (obv). Since I doubt that someone like tumble, who is in danger of getting lynched, is holding shots. Especially when certain NK's could help scum!tumble in the case.

I mean 5 other people, 2 (3 if you count Yammty via Tumble) of which, could be lynched due to thread feels You only have to blend in for about 4 24 hour cycles.

A course, there really isn't a way of determining it. Could just be good doc. Thoughts?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 12:49 GMT
#1071
On March 16 2016 11:56 Tumblewood wrote:
I just looked through yamato's filter, and I think he could be scum. Here are the points against:
- Inactive since D1 (not really a point since activity reads suck)
- Says I'm the best lynch without giving any read on me
- Lacking substantive reads in general
- Not invested in the D2 lynch even though he said "literally never lynching Slam"
Those townreading yamato, what do you see in him?

I got to filter yammty anyways, but what i quoted this for.
Did you ever look into, or got answers from:
On March 14 2016 07:14 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm looking out for anyone whose play became more defensive (i.e., more careful about getting lynched) after the modkill.

Because none of those points you brought up matches that.

I look into these. Reason why i thought yammty was town was for his post about Rels & sus. on kush.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 16 2016 12:53 GMT
#1072
Vote Count - Day 3


Shapelog (1): Koshi
Tumblewood (0): Koshi

Not Voting (5): yamato77, Shapelog, geript, Tumblewood, Rels

At this time, no one is slated to be lynched. With 6 players, 4 are needed to lynch.
The next check will occur on 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Town must find the mafia before on 23:00 GMT (+00:00)

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 12:59 GMT
#1073
Curiosity question @ Koshi
You called tumble town throughout yesterdays EoD.
On March 16 2016 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Male sure to vote fast. We might get another day after all.

##vote tumble

7 mins later
On March 16 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote:
No I lied. I want to lynch shape.
When I wake up I change my vote.

What made you vote tumble?

And trust me, I am not doing this to try to discredit you or something else you are paranoid about from me. Just curious John Luke.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 13:08 GMT
#1074
Lol I just realized that we don't even know if mafia can hold shots. :/
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 13:23 GMT
#1075
1) mafia can hold their shot.

2) I voted Tumble so that Rels, geript or you could swap last second if you wanted. In my eyes both were town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 16 2016 13:25 GMT
#1076
Ahh. I understood you wrong.

I voted Tumble because he was the counterwagon.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 13:32 GMT
#1077
Yammty's Tumble read progression.
On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable.

Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to.

Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread.

Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read.

On March 10 2016 09:05 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2016 23:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On March 09 2016 15:23 Tumblewood wrote:
My preferred lynch order is Vivax (for asking questions that do not help to solve the game) --> Slam (idk, sheeping geript on this), and unless either has a defense, good night.


So he makes some easy townreads then he comes up with this gem.
He is scumreading vivax questioning him about his reads:
On March 09 2016 08:59 Vivax wrote:
On March 09 2016 08:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 09 2016 08:24 Vivax wrote:
On March 09 2016 08:19 Tumblewood wrote:
Koshi is town 100% (okay, 90%) for his big post on yamato. If mafia were trying to get into the thread with a big read, yamato was a poor target at that point for having done little of note. Koshi showed that he was really examining the thread.
Also, his post immediately after that corrected something he said was made with the intent of informing town-- mafia would just leave it because most people would just ignore it or miss it entirely.


Step up your activity if possible or tell us why if you can't , would also be nice to know how experienced you are at mafia.

I'm particularly interested into knowing whether you think geript's reason to read you is sufficient to read you as town

I can't be active during my classes (except for some small 5-10 minute periods), which are from 8-3 PST. Wednesdays and weekends my schedule is more flexible. I also just post less than most players, usually about one page of filter per day cycle.
I have 2.5 (+1 observed) game of mafia on this site and 70 games of Town of "not even real mafia" Salem.
Geript didn't really give a reason for his read of me, so... no? What are you so interested to find out from that?


do you think geript is mafia for not really having a reason to TR you?

Would you even care if we lynched you?

To me it looks like omgus disguised under the misrepresentation of "vivax is asking too many dumb questions."

His second scumread is to sheep Geript on a read he doesn't even understand. How does he expect Alakaslam to defend himself from "you're scum because godread"?
I think town might say "until they do something townie" but tumble says he's waiting for a defense against something that can't be defended against.

I think this is a poor case against Tumble.

1) Vivax did indeed spend a lot of the early game asking pointless questions about anatomy. He really only gave a solid read after I told him he was trash. Even since, he's been more interested in fighting with Koshi than finding mafia. It's pretty funny IMO.

2) Tumble expects SOMETHING from Slam as a defense. Why is sheeping a townread a bad thing, exactly? I don't agree with doing it but I can see how someone in his position does.

Not a solid reason for a #1 scumread IMO.


On March 10 2016 09:41 yamato77 wrote:
My reads, as of now:

Town
Slam (Reading his filter gives a green impression)
Koshi (just horribly wrong)
Tumble (Agrees with me on Vivax, maintains silly noir thing that costs effort)
Shapelog (early game was obv town and is a consensus townread)

Null
Geript (???)
Kush (posted reasons to doubt kush's alignment)
Rels (inconsistent read progression on multiple players, kneejerk "LYNCH THIS GUY" behavior at the expense of his other reads)

Mafia
Vivax (lol)

Kush flips
On March 13 2016 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
Kush sorta did just jump on the wagon.

On March 13 2016 03:33 yamato77 wrote:
Ah, he left his vote on tumble.

Odd.

Idk if these 2 count as post about tumble
On March 13 2016 08:40 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, I read his filter two days ago. Not like anything changed in the time since. I pointed out the weird stuff he said then, and it still applies now that he's dead.

His read on Rels was really weird, so was his read on Slam.

On March 16 2016 08:29 yamato77 wrote:
Mafia is either a complete idiot or the doctor is a God.

Either way, we still lynch tumble.

Quite weird progression actually. Goes from town reading tumble and defending him from scum!kush, than into scumming tumble when general thread agrees with it.
Thoughts? Discussion? Anyone who wants to talk so I am not a mad man and start harnessing the host again?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 16 2016 13:38 GMT
#1078
On March 16 2016 22:23 Koshi wrote:
1) mafia can hold their shot.

2) I voted Tumble so that Rels, geript or you could swap last second if you wanted. In my eyes both were town.

Oh ok. Missed it in OP then when i went to find it in writing.
On March 16 2016 22:25 Koshi wrote:
Ahh. I understood you wrong.

I voted Tumble because he was the counterwagon.

Understandable. Not what i would of done, but understandable.
I've diff. have done weirder things (voted with top scumread on his top scum read) so i really can't call voties werid.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 16 2016 13:44 GMT
#1079
I was going to force the blue claim but now that we have the opportunity to have 1 more day if no kill tonight it might not be that good
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 16 2016 13:46 GMT
#1080
Don't have any time before tonight, would vote tumble if I had to decide right now but I want to read filters before deciding
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