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On March 20 2016 15:18 Rels wrote:
No you won't. I'm conf town 'cause I would never forget to submit a kill and yamato is useless. I'm doubtful about who is the busy scum but you should not from your POV.
It's my dad birthday today so can't play before tonight. We have 2 days so it's OK though.
The 'forget to submit' argument is bad at best. Yamato has had original thoughts. Like maybe I've been misreading him all game, but I seriously doubt it. I'd rather you explain your thought process behind how you instantly start believing the meta case on slam after defending him all day 1. Explain how you never start a wagon but join any wagon presented.
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On March 21 2016 05:55 Rels wrote:
Meh geript if you're town like I suppose cause yamato jumping on me is easy as he did the whole game, game is over. You didn't unvote me when I was obvious town in personality you're not gonna Unvote me nlw
Bottom line, I can write a strong town case for yam. I can't for you.
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D&D just finished and AT&T finally fixed my internet thankfully. I need to sleep, but here's my thinking.
Yamatown:
1. The interconnectivity reads, especially early on, are really hard to replicate that thinking as scum.
2. He's been pushing on people for things that I expect town!yam to be pushing. Especially around the early D2 point.
3. Has gotten more inactive as the game has gone on. That's pretty counter-intuitive for scum.
4. He feels like he's the right pissy-ness level overall.
5. Tried to ignore people who are pushing him for 'meh' reasoning
6. This is dumb, but I get where he's thinking. Like my Damdred/Marv read, deep inside of me he just hits the right spots.
Scumato:
1. Basically done the minimum necessary at all points
2. Been happy to pick fights as appropriate
3. I think Hapa likes rolling people roles they don't prefer and I think Hapa would try to challenge buddy yam like this
4. Half-defends Slam when lynch is looks mostly assured
Relstown:
1. Interacts with Kush good amount
Relscum:
1. First reads post is pretty oddly put together (aka no strong reads other than XYZ -> here's more reads) plus very little in agreement with where I was at the time.
2. Soft defends Slam into easy voting for him
3. Question heavy, analysis light. Flicks around most issues with people picking at little things and asking little questions and makes little pushes
3a. Makes some huge more-comfortable-looking bounces off of Kush posts especially while not actively trying to work/bicker with Kush
4. Big blow up post re:unvote is lot of anger and not actively thinking whatsoever
5. #anywagonwilldo syndrome. Actively finds excuses to vote for people and actively follows thread sentiment.
6. Increases in activity, but decreases in anaylsis/thought provoking material.
7. The no unvote re: tumble lynch. I just don't see how town sees that post doesn't want to prolong the day.
I can town case myself if you want, but honestly it just looks really obvious to me.
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I'm listening, but sleeping/prepping/peeing.
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On March 22 2016 03:50 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 03:47 Rels wrote:On March 22 2016 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
Rels, if you're town, I'm amazed that you seem more concerned with proving that you are town than actually considering who could be mafia.
It seems like you came into today, decided I was mafia, and ignored geript's alignment completely. I don't think a town player does that very often. You'd have to be completely convinced I was mafia, which you really shouldn't be.
If you're town, we've already lost I'm sure but honestly I just don't think it's the case. That is not true. I reread every post of yours and geript before making the decision of losing if geript is scum. Since I've decided geript must be town to win, proving I'm town is as effective and proving you're scum. It's difficult to prove you're scum since you've done almost nothing and geript has a townfeel on your post which I can't fight since it's meta. And contrary to what you're affirming, I've actually did that, showing how you did the minimum after kush was modkilled and were never there at deadline appart from that time tumble's lynch wasn't secured. But it's way easier to prove I'm town since I've played with geript several times and I have a way to prove I'm town. It's truly not apparent from your posting here at lylo that you ever considered the possibility of geript being mafia.
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The big things for me are: your towncase is interesting but it's basically "I wouldn't do X as Scum" which sounds more true than it often is and that it's a big appeal to my ego (a good one at that).
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]I am responsible for this lynch. If Rels flips town I am the sole reason town lost. If Rels flips scum I am a God.
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not my preferred lynch but eh
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I'm not sitting back. I'm at work. I was trying to do shit yesterday when I had a bit more time.
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Bullshit. Not a mysterious read on Kush. Had him in the list to look at b/c he was a solo voter w/ Koshi.
4 minutes till lynch shenannies.
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On March 22 2016 07:56 Rels wrote:
He was 100% set on me but doesn't care if it's yamato who is lynched
Correct. I'm 100% for votting a lynch off that's at least 50% scum.
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I played that game fucking amazing too.
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The reason to no kill was part strategic part showboat. 1. I wanted to win on timer, 2. I could avoid watcher/tracker, 3. It was a good spot to no-kill. Town's on an awful track and easy to manipulate. Harder to hide in a few and I can play the long game better. The mistake I made was killing Koshi.
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On March 22 2016 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 08:23 Rels wrote:
I laughed at my read progression ^^ yeah I had one good case but dozen bad ones too.
TY yamato for the carry. Shape I never thought you were scum but I just couldn't imagine anyone not being new not killing N1 and N2. Vivax I'm super sorry for being part of your wagon when you were super townie. Lynching you when I kinda knew it was wrong kinda killed my motivation after that actually p: The thing is, that Geript case was your most well-fleshed out and justified case by far. It's almost as if you get distracted by new reads and information too easily.
TBH, that case was easy to throw off. Like, I'll get off of that lynch 100x out of 100 as town too. It's a player specific thing. There's 2 people calling each other scum who are voting with me. No one else was at all happy with that lynch. The "need to lynch" post was strategic because less than half the game was even voting at that point.
I'm still counting this a W for me. Kush getting modkilled changed the strategy really heavily. IDK who we would've killed, it probably would've been yam and coasted from there to an easy victory. IDK. But the "cute" unvote was just being me.
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On March 22 2016 08:29 Half the Sky wrote:
That said, for someone who had shit (hardly any) time to play, geript did fairly well, I think he said somewhere in mafia qt he used the few hours he had to try and just survive and made most of his opportunities. Mind you, it's easy when a decent chunk of town are playing poor, but overall mindset was good, even if it had a few mistakes.
This other point. When you look at how much control I had over a variety of lynches, then consider that I've worked 11.5 shifts in the past 2 weeks, been to the ER twice for 3 and 5 hours, often worked over an hour or two on most shifts, had 3 4-6 hour D&D sessions... Like, you can play and be active with as little as an hour or two regardless of alignment. It's why it's so important to lynch players like Tumble who have <2 pages on D3.
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On March 22 2016 08:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:On March 22 2016 08:23 Rels wrote:
I laughed at my read progression ^^ yeah I had one good case but dozen bad ones too.
TY yamato for the carry. Shape I never thought you were scum but I just couldn't imagine anyone not being new not killing N1 and N2. Vivax I'm super sorry for being part of your wagon when you were super townie. Lynching you when I kinda knew it was wrong kinda killed my motivation after that actually p: The thing is, that Geript case was your most well-fleshed out and justified case by far. It's almost as if you get distracted by new reads and information too easily. Yeah there was no town logic behind the unvote and I shouldn't have discarded it.
I'll explain it more when I'm off but there is.
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