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Does anyone else feel that Breshke's opening question and his followup is a bit strange?
Here is the start of the discussion, if anyone is interested.
I don't really know why Breshke asked this question, or what he hoped to gain from it. Breshke later clarified that he didn't get anything alignment indicative out of sicklucker's early posts. It also feels like he let Tictock's answer pass easily, without followup, when I don't feel that Tictock's answer was terribly insightful (he didn't say anything more than the minimum).
I'm probably really overthinking this, but it seems a bit weird to me? To make this a meta read, lack of followup with questions was a trait of Breshke's mafia play in the Fullmetal game 
Anyway, I'll probably go to bed soon, I'll try to finish my re-read and figure out who is mafia tomorrow morning ish.
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On February 17 2016 13:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 13:47 The Shining wrote:On February 17 2016 13:43 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2016 12:45 scott31337 wrote:Catching up --- On February 17 2016 08:14 Trfel wrote:
Oh yeah, and people get mad at me when I say who I'm suspicious of without posting reasons.
The Shining still hasn't come back, to me this makes his posts feel a bit dry. Suddenly vanishing, in addition to still not having come back, while seeming to be interested in his sicklucker read earlier, feels off to me, however it's quite early in the game and it's possible that he's just suddenly busy or a bit disinterested for some reason. Don't forget about the Shining's Monday/Tuesday no net thing. On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw
also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers
disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha!
2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh Why don't you want to lynch breshke? You really didn't say anything here. I think you're aware of that... On February 17 2016 11:11 Tumblewood wrote:
@rsoul : I the only people I have any real insight on are Trfel, Eden (town), Tictock, kush (townlean), you, Shapelog (null), Palmar, SL (scum).
The other four have been too absent for my tastes... Breshke has been moderately active, stay tuned for a filter dive. So this post from TW is slightly better - he gives his thoughts on what he's thinking - and beyond Breshke since he doesn't know his posting very well, I can agree with quite a bit of it. Maybe TW did roll town this game. On February 17 2016 11:17 rsoultin wrote:On February 17 2016 11:10 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle
what does a truffle sound like?
truffle sounds like a truffle in this game
#circularreasoningftw And you say that my reads are useless... lol yeah it's like your palmar one i know ^^ i can explain it more...essentially you approached eden in a way that meets my understanding of your core personality, in the way that you're apologetic and deferential and, yes, self-depreciating this is something i see way more often in your town games than in your scum games (though i don't remember ever seeing it in your scum games lol >< except maybe in a wall of text buried somewhere) like, seriously >< you sit there and tell me in your last game where your reads were mostly spot on that you're doing something wrong because you can't get people to listen to you? lol where is the fun TL mafia arrogance the rest of us have? but it's what makes truffle a truffle Thank you for explaining this - I'd move TW slightly up and maybe noon - and I thought I had too many scumreads like Palmar... The nulls are well still nully - but I think GB has ample opportunity to come back, and Shining should be back in the morning too. also explained bresh, but basically it's a metaread in that when he's looking at things from all sides and voicing the opposite viewpoint (i.e. devil's advocate) he's pretty much always town...plus just a joy to have around but that's another matter altogether ^^ -pokes- i want to know why my nemesis is townreading me...has the world turned inside-out and upside-down? -throws things at shining- he's got a point. suck it up. you were around when you said you wouldn't be, but then poofed, so ye. i'm more interested in your reads once you catch up with the thread of dinky He would have a point if he hadn't called it NAI beforehand, but then changed his mind because I made like 1 serious post and didnt have time to follow it up. I'm working on a reads post, believe in the shine, I'm actually planning on trying this game because I'm tired of certain people that I've been warned for cursing at constantly calling me useless ^^ How great it would be if he's town and gets carried by me. First, I didn't call you useless Second, if I were convinced you were scum, I'd be voting for you Third, smileys are great Fourth, please, go ahead and carry me, that would also be great Not quite as great as smileys, though  Fifth, you're misrepresenting my argument, and I've already said what I think about that But it's fine, since I don't have a very strong argument anyway, please feel free to do your own thing
First, I wasn't talking about you. When did I ever curse at you and when did you ever call me useless? Silly goose.
Second, word.
Third, I guess so
Fourth, this feels salty. Again, none of that was directed towards you. But hey if you're town and I'm able to carry you, more power to me, eh? Just don't ignore me if I hand you scum on a silver platter. *cough cough*
Fifth, what am I misrepresenting?
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No salt at all, I really enjoy it when people carry me to victory. Especially because I'm very bad at finding the path to victory myself. I have a special talent for grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'm not suspicious of you for lack of activity, but rather being uninterested in the thread. I realize that this is a vague statement, here is how I arrived at this conclusion.
1. The Shining made a post towards sicklucker early on that seemed to show a desire to be involved
2. Rsoultin then townread The Shining
3. The Shining proceeded to vanish, and them come back to answer a question I asked of him, saying that he can actually play on Monday (contrary to his normal schedule)
4. The Shining then vanished again
The Shining didn't talk about anything else after his first read on sicklucker; no more questions, not getting involved, and he didn't say when he was busy. And then, after saying that he could play and his normal schedule didn't match, he vanished without saying anything.
It's not the activity that is alignment indicative at all. This is NOT a read based on activity. I get an overall impression of disinterest, notably after rsoultin townread him, and THAT is why I have this suspicion.
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o.0 when exactly did i townread shining?
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On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining? I'm assuming that if you call someone a hero for town, that you mean that they are town?
Even the very worst mafia performances generally wouldn't be considered heroic for town.
I..... can't possibly see how this can be in contention? What's going on?
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On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining?
Everything is actually a fair point besides this one and makes sense so I'd like you to answer this too, Trfel. I don't remember this and I'm almost done filter diving.
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On February 17 2016 14:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining? I'm assuming that if you call someone a hero for town, that you mean that they are town? Even the very worst mafia performances generally wouldn't be considered heroic for town. I..... can't possibly see how this can be in contention? What's going on?
Ah that post. She said I didn't realize that SL was the hero town didn't deserve.
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On February 17 2016 14:24 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 14:24 Trfel wrote:On February 17 2016 14:21 rsoultin wrote:
o.0 when exactly did i townread shining? I'm assuming that if you call someone a hero for town, that you mean that they are town? Even the very worst mafia performances generally wouldn't be considered heroic for town. I..... can't possibly see how this can be in contention? What's going on? Ah that post. She said I didn't realize that SL was the hero town didn't deserve. Oh.
Well, that's embarrassing.
I don't know why I assumed that rsoultin's grammar was incorrect. I guess probably because incorrect grammar makes more sense with regards to the game there....
I don't even want to ask rsoultin to explain this, I just want to forget that this whole thing ever happened, haha....
I mean, I guess my previously unfounded suspicion of The Shining is now absolute garbage. Yay.
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lol yeah that wasn't calling shining town at all xP it was also facetious truuuuffle
i was saying that sl was responding to your "call to arms" so to speak...i.e. doing something scummy to get the thread started lol
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On February 16 2016 08:04 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:02 Palmar wrote:On February 16 2016 07:34 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
I'm here, but just got off work and also thought this was starting later so prob won't be around much till later.
Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI.
SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on. Interesting in what way? Also hi people 100% mafia nope
I feel like there's some really next-level read that can be made out of this reaction, but I am not on the next level yet.
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Palmar - Not much to say, sadly. Not the tone I'm used to him having but maybe I just got spoiled by strong town leader Palmar in PYP. 5 scumreads, some of which don't even look serious(TT sheeping but knows he's best player? wat?). "I am not here anymore, you'll have to wait until later." Posts an hour later. Admits he isn't being very helpful. He's a null read, could be a policy lynch but since it's Palmar, I'm holding out hope he's just biding his time for awesome Palmar towniness later.
Shape - the spammy enigma. I'm having trouble with the fact that he defended Eden's setup speculation post, saying it wouldn't make sense for her to speculate on a DT in game and then asking for aware miller to claim, and THEN said he was waiting for Eden's defense. I also don't really like the post where he's trying to meta a rather new player in Tumblewood by comparing his entrance to their scum game together and his entrance here. It makes sense that he'd try to consider what he'd know of his scum play, but giving him a slight townlean and spoiler in that there is a slight chance he could be scum with Trfel or etc(who is etc?). Then his very next post, he calls another of Tumble's posts weird. Says Tumble makes a nice town statement but then accuses him of dodging a question. He accuses Tumble of avoiding giving a read on him. Then the post concludes that what he's doing is different could make him town but then he leaves a caveat and a bunch of dots. Questions Tumble's current read on TT and why. I also tend to ignore dumbtells so no town points there. But when Tumble asks Shape about why he's meta reading him off of one game, Shape says he's got him as a slight town read that is subject to change. But the last few posts re: Tumble were a lot of hedging and accusational tone. This read progression is quite weird. Shape, can you make your read on Tumble more clear?
Tictock - I kinda liked TT for town at the beginning tbh, but his recent posting worried me and made me backtrack. His early posts were short but the tone seemed pretty relaxed from the jokes with Shapelog, while also mixing some good posts, mainly the one about Trfel and his TR on him. I'm still working on my Trfel read due to how he's treating me, but I will say I really liked TT's Eden read and see pretty much what he sees. His GB read seemed pretty accurate, too, I've also played with a lackadaiscal, non-caring GB town multiple times before which has ended in GB being prime lynchbait. I could probably see where he's coming from, though I wish GB would actually play. What I don't like is TT immediately calling his GB read shit because of a one-liner from Kush in which Kush didn't even explain WHY that TR was bad. Also a red flag is the fact that I can't really find where or who TT is scumreading. The closest thing is a list of people that need to post more, myself included. I feel like TT would be more confident and focused on finding scum after his last good performance. The line "I don't have any strong scumreads but I'm pretty confident we'll hit scum" feels off. Slight scumread here, since imo scum is a lot better at giving townreads as opposed to fabricating scumreads.
Tumblewood - I've got him in a weird "sorta scummy but not much to go off of and could possibly be disinterested town" place. His filter is bare, even though he's complained about the game being slow. So he's done nothing really to progress the game, even though he thinks it's slow. He's just complaining to complain without looking like he's doing anything to change what he doesn't like. When rsoul asked him about reads, he gave a list with no explanations. He says Palmar could easily be town OR scum in one post, but then in a later posts, says he's scum leaning Palmar. Why? I also have absolutely no idea why he thinks SL could be scum. I would really like this reads fleshed out. Problem is, I have issues with Shape, too, and they can't be scum together because of Shape's weird read on Tumble but it's D1 so I'm not trying to focus on association.
Breshke - town lean. I can explain more if needed but his filter is full of short but sweet, to the point posts that I can follow. I kinda worried about his post saying he's having issues finding scum and its troubling him but it felt really honest and he also followed it up with questions. I also really liked his last post on Shape. He's struggling to find scumreads but it seems like he's still actively looking. Not a lynch for D1.
Kush - Seems pretty engaged with his questions. I find his posts similar to Breshkes, as in short and sweet. I don't get the feeling that he's really buddying anyone, he is spreading questions around. His vote on Palmar seems honest, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. Bogus reads + not liking him seems expected from Kush for a d1 vote. Slight townlean.
Trfel - meh, I happened to be in Trfel's filter right during my last few posts. OMGUS aside, I actually like some of his posts and although I don't agree with his Eden scumread, there a couple of posts reminiscent of townTrfel that I've played with before. Mainly the "why does no on care I caught scum?" and the calling himself out for apparently placing import on things others don't. I don't see much malice or crapping up the thread, just a huge effort to make his thoughts transparent to the thread. Probably more townread than townlean at this point.
Scott - replaced in. Has like 3-4 posts. Null for now. I don't really see scum in them but I'm not sure what Rsoul is getting at regarding his read on her and if it's really backwards reasoning compared to how he's read her before but I would need to go look at past games of them together.
Eden - agreed with the miller claim if there is one, although I think everyone's posted so there probably isn't. The problem with this is it could help narrow down the setup for scum as well, since they would also know now that there is no miller so the probability of other blue roles being in the game rises. Eden has good responses to Trfel, which feel like they'd come from town since scum would try to shy away from an argument like this or focus on other things. But Eden looked a lot more town to me after the posts post-filter dive. I don't necessarily agree with Eden's reads on both Trfel and Shapelog, though, so it's a weak town lean.
RSo- HI LONG TIME NO PLAY W U. Anyway RSo is posting like the town RSo I know. I'm not too confident in this read because she's a pretty good scummer from what I know but she's another player spreading thoughts and questions around. Also, there are moments like the circular reasoning read with Trfel(why would scum do this? TownRso would do this tho to invite people to question her) and the Shape toneread(getting itchy that no one is commenting) that are giving me pretty gud town vibes.
GB - do something pls. I could policy lynch but that's resulted in a disinterested town GB flip too many times for me to be okay with it. If you're town, pls don't do this to me again.
SL - I'm just chalking up those dear diary posts to early SL trolling. I'm still in a world where I can't read SL early and apparently that's not going to change anything soon, especially with the personal bias that SL and I seem to have for eachother. He'll stay null to me until he does something to spew himself town or does something scummy. I haven't seen either tho tbh.
I got lazy towards the end of this, I'm tired. I welcome all questions. These will probably develop more once I get some awesome reactions to this WoT.
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That post looks a lot bigger in thread than it did in preview...rip, I apologize for the size. Should've spoilered.
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On February 17 2016 14:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2016 08:04 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2016 08:02 Palmar wrote:On February 16 2016 07:34 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2016 06:24 Tictock wrote:
I'm here, but just got off work and also thought this was starting later so prob won't be around much till later.
Kinda meh about Trfel's open but it's prob NAI.
SL starting off with a whole paragraph that says a lot of nothing is about the only interesting thing I see going on. Interesting in what way? Also hi people 100% mafia nope I feel like there's some really next-level read that can be made out of this reaction, but I am not on the next level yet. Yeah, I already made it
Assuming that Breshke knows Palmar well enough to know that Palmar won't stop silly pushes like this, I can't possibly imagine Breshke as mafia responding to Palmar like this. It's really dumb and I wouldn't expect this from Breshke, who (like most) is a fairly calculated/cautious player as scum.
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I'm gonna go play Ark, I'll probably check back in once or twice in the next hr before bed, but I'll drop a vote before class at 10 am tomorrow morning EST. I'd like my scumleans to give me some interaction and responses before I jump the gun on any of em. Cheers.
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On February 17 2016 13:02 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 12:03 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2016 06:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2016 06:12 The Shining wrote:On February 16 2016 06:04 sicklucker wrote:
Dear diary
Today I woke up exited to play a game of mafia! Then I looked at the playerlist .. and I was how do you say it. Scared of spam and having alot to read. I also had alot of anxiety about jat calling me names i'm a very fragile emotional person. I hope gb has time because last game he was useless and now I here hes not going have much time again. But you /in'd last. The player list was the same when you did. Why are you just now experiencing these fears? he is the hero town doesn't deserve shining-san ^^ keep up! Like, right after this, The Shining vanished until I asked him a question. And then vanished again. It feels like his will to play, his desire to be involved, stopped after he got townread. See what I'm getting at? Hello. Phone post. I was townread? By who? I just got home and have a few hours to kill before bedtime, stuff I will do. Impressed you will be. I do like how Trfel brings up my Monday/Tuesday meta excuse but then starts pushing me because I made a few posts after realizing this game started, then went to live life. Seems counter intuitive to bring it up, call it NAI, then push it because I'm not here on days I'm known to not be here.
did he mention it before or after i brought it up?
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nh
lol is it awful that i'm more happy with the later reads than the first ones? the play-by-play summaries of shape and tt were painful -flicks shining-
also -shakes fist at damdy- i want a scott filter!
lemme see if i can find the post again...it's basically that i'm used to scott scumreading me come hell or high water for being spammy -_- which ye i'm failing at again this game so i have no clue how it's different this time. he always thinks my "spam" is scummy or at best anti-town
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On February 17 2016 14:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 13:02 The Shining wrote:On February 17 2016 12:03 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2016 06:13 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2016 06:12 The Shining wrote:On February 16 2016 06:04 sicklucker wrote:
Dear diary
Today I woke up exited to play a game of mafia! Then I looked at the playerlist .. and I was how do you say it. Scared of spam and having alot to read. I also had alot of anxiety about jat calling me names i'm a very fragile emotional person. I hope gb has time because last game he was useless and now I here hes not going have much time again. But you /in'd last. The player list was the same when you did. Why are you just now experiencing these fears? he is the hero town doesn't deserve shining-san ^^ keep up! Like, right after this, The Shining vanished until I asked him a question. And then vanished again. It feels like his will to play, his desire to be involved, stopped after he got townread. See what I'm getting at? Hello. Phone post. I was townread? By who? I just got home and have a few hours to kill before bedtime, stuff I will do. Impressed you will be. I do like how Trfel brings up my Monday/Tuesday meta excuse but then starts pushing me because I made a few posts after realizing this game started, then went to live life. Seems counter intuitive to bring it up, call it NAI, then push it because I'm not here on days I'm known to not be here. did he mention it before or after i brought it up?
The Mon/Tues thing? Before. He was the first one to ask about it after one of my first posts iirc
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On February 17 2016 04:23 scott31337 wrote:
Palmar/Shape/Trfel leaning town
Rsoul/TT lighter not has hard but townside of null
GB/Noon/Shining/SL - not enough information
Tumble/Breshke leaning mafia since Tumble looks just like his last game I played with him - and Breshke should have more
light and shining and it's just not there.
Eden usually shits town rainbows but there's a lot of fluff in his filter - so I'm still on the fence on him - wouldn't be the lynch today
ye no explanation that's what i remembered
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On February 17 2016 14:40 rsoultin wrote:
nh
lol is it awful that i'm more happy with the later reads than the first ones? the play-by-play summaries of shape and tt were painful -flicks shining-
also -shakes fist at damdy- i want a scott filter!
lemme see if i can find the post again...it's basically that i'm used to scott scumreading me come hell or high water for being spammy -_- which ye i'm failing at again this game so i have no clue how it's different this time. he always thinks my "spam" is scummy or at best anti-town
Actually ya thats one of the reasons I got lazy w Scott too. Short filter that I had to find on my own. Too much work. Rip. And nah it isn't awful, I tend to drawl on when I suspect someone by reviewing their posts and trying(or failing) to find town motivation behind them. Thinking out loud ending in forming narratives = op, I should work on that.
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On February 17 2016 14:40 rsoultin wrote:
nh
lol is it awful that i'm more happy with the later reads than the first ones? the play-by-play summaries of shape and tt were painful -flicks shining-
also -shakes fist at damdy- i want a scott filter!
lemme see if i can find the post again...it's basically that i'm used to scott scumreading me come hell or high water for being spammy -_- which ye i'm failing at again this game so i have no clue how it's different this time. he always thinks my "spam" is scummy or at best anti-town
blah posting this late is making me lose my train of thought
palmar i agree on more or less...i don't see him as a d1 lynch more because of who he is than anything else
tt was underwhelming for me, so that kinda lines up if i didn't microsleep too much through the summary lol ><
your reads seem okayish tbh (more or less close to where i'm sitting) though the play-by-play gives me pause just cuz...ye, you and jeering about your shit wall of texts before that i have a tendency to townread you for when you're scum >< evil one
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