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On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. This. Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town? You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town. Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this. If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM. [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
[2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
[3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
[4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
[5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.
[1] Not scummy. [2] Not scummy. [3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it. [4] Not scummy. [5] Needs a more detailed explanation.
Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in.
[4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl.
[5]:+ Show Spoiler +On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent? I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.)
Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again.
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On February 06 2016 03:47 NocturneMage wrote:
disformation, let's just give you a hypothetical. If I was modkilled and you didn't have to consider me, whom would you vote for?
Hm. Would sheep damdred.
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On February 06 2016 03:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 03:51 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:43 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 03:36 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum? And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction? The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this. I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. This. Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town? You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town. Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this. If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM. [1] Says he doesn't like meta and that he tries to find other evidence for alignment.
[2] Makes meta case on Palmar saying Palmar could be scum. Based on games NM didn't even play in.
[3] Ignores meta evidence that say Palmar could be lazy town.
[4] Votes Palmar after Palmar has got a decent chunk of votes.
[5] Doesn't answer my questions but tries to deflect me by asking me about VA.
[1] Not scummy. [2] Not scummy. [3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it. [4] Not scummy. [5] Needs a more detailed explanation. Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in. [4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl. [5]: + Show Spoiler +On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 02:50 disformation wrote:
And why didnt you vote Palmar before? Waiting for the thread consent? I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again. [1][2] Why would he do something so blatantly contradictory as mafia? What's the scum motivation? Nah, this is not scummy. [4] So what? I often wait until the last minute to place my vote even if I voiced suspicions earlier. That's not scummy. [5] I don't get it. This is just a disguised [4].
[1][2] He did so as scum in a previous game and got away with it.
Looking at Palmar's filters. Yeah, the DT filter looks better than here, but I also like his Outlaw filter more than this. Soo... I don't think this is good enough to lynch him D1 imo.
On the other hand I haven't got huge town vibes on him either.
Bit in a pickle. Maybe I should just stop being so fucking stubborn over this and sheep marv + damdy.
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bleh please don't talk about associations when we can't even decide who the wagons are.
can't read noon/kush for shit tbh and have reservations about lynching palmar.
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like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta?
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On February 06 2016 04:05 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? Did you read marv's arguments against him?
On February 06 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 20:07 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 20:04 justanothertownie wrote:On February 05 2016 20:01 marvellosity wrote:On February 05 2016 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Ah, misunderstood your post Koshi. Carry on.
Would have to check the meta part of NMs Palmar case but regardless I still agree with the conclusion. Maybe we should just try to lynch that lazy jackass today. Very tempting. ##unvote
##Vote Palmar*holds out hand* You have no idea how satisfying this is for me :D just to be clear: (apparently i like to write this this game when i vote for someone) i voted Palmar and then flicked through his filter. Tonally i don't see much that feels off in his filter. But he actually has quite a few posts and they haven't led anywhere. If Palmar is being lazy town I'd expect less posts. It's a bad post/decisively doing things ratio for him. in short: poking with a stick, might well keep poking right up to the end if i don't get my nuts off by then Hmm... must have missed this. Kinda like this explanation. Fits with my own experiences with palmar in dark tournament and PYP and thus is easier to relay to then a meta read by someone who does not like meta reads. Need to do some thinking about who I really want to lynch today.
Apparently, yes. =D
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On February 06 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it?
One that probably no one gets, since I mentioned it a few times by now.
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Shennanies onto no vote?^^ xD
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On February 06 2016 04:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:11 disformation wrote:On February 06 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2016 04:05 disformation wrote:
like can anyone sell me the palmar lynch without referring to meta? I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it? One that probably no one gets, since I mentioned it a few times by now. No. What I heard from you is that you liked what marv had to say about Palmar which is why we are lynching him. So I ask you what your problem with that is all of a sudden?
okay let me try to explain my thought process here:
1) marv has a decent reason why palmar is scum.
2) nm has a bad reason why palmar is scum + I think NM is scum for that.
One of these two is apparently wrong. Unless both are right and both Palmar and NM are scum bussing for the lulz, which is highly unlikely.
As a bonus I share koshi's notion about lynching Palmar D1.
On the other hand: where the flower has palmar been all day.
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On February 06 2016 04:20 boxerfred wrote:
I want everyone's reads of noon and palmar and marv
marv: probably town. Don't think he would play this much as scum + I sheep damdy's tr on him.
palmar: I like marvs points, I don't like nm's points. His filter doesn't make me hard, it isn't garbage either.
noon: Uh. I am super prone to scum reading him when he is town and I do not know how his scum game. Really do not like him flailing about atm, though.
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Yeah, Zyrre feels like exactly the guy scum wants to push in this situation. (If he is town)
Which is making me hesitant about that guy, too.
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Yo, NM how confident are you really in your Palmar meta thing?
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Yo, Zyrre who you gonna vote for? Wagons are currently Palmar and noon.
Thoughts?
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Think I need to look at noon's filter.
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On February 06 2016 04:36 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:30 disformation wrote:
Yo, NM how confident are you really in your Palmar meta thing? Very.
It really really really baffles me how you can say that that after posting:
On February 04 2016 13:07 NocturneMage wrote:
If you mean MY meta reads, I try and stick to people that I play a bit more often with. And even then I'm under the 10 or wahtever game threshold to really make that a great read, so I generally defer to other shit.
If you mean others' meta reads on people I don't really trust them, and I use interactions or other ways of evaluating people.
Are you sure you are town?
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Alright. Whatever probably being stupid and stubborn here.
Also some good points on zyrre on the last page.
Don't like that noon didn't want to be a jedi knight with chez.
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Yeah, seems either Palmar or Zyrre should be the lynch today.
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On February 06 2016 04:49 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:48 disformation wrote:
Yeah, seems either Palmar or Zyrre should be the lynch today. Then vote Palmar.
yolo. done.
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On February 06 2016 04:50 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2016 04:49 NocturneMage wrote:On February 06 2016 04:48 disformation wrote:
Yeah, seems either Palmar or Zyrre should be the lynch today. Then vote Palmar. yolo. done.
I don't believe your meta case, but I believe in you, who believes in his meta case.
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