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Fair enough. Sry I am currently not braining properly. One of those not-enough-sleep too-much-caffeine days. Will come back later when I actually have enough brain power too read filters and think.
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On February 07 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Maybe I just shoot ritoky. IMO that is so full of WIFOM that I don't really want to touch it.
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On February 09 2016 08:35 disformation wrote:Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred, Koshi, justanothertownie, PalmarPalmar (7): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, ritoky, boxerfred, Damdredjustanothertownie (1): Palmar, Onegu VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): Koshi, marvellosity, justanothertownie, Rels, boxerfredNocturneMage (0), disformation disformationritoky (0): boxerfred, Chezinu,Onegu (0):, nooniansoongDisformation (0): Chezinu, ChezinuMoosyDoosy (0): nooniansoonglock town: NM, Rels, Marv, Me town leans (kinda slight, but a lean is a lean): darth, boxer, noon, VA left: chez, koshi, md, ls ls can have a day to play. not sure about MD. chez and koshi look bad atm. will try to look over my leans and the ppl left b4 EoN.  That is basically as committed as I get. :p As you can see I agree on Koshi and Chez and there is no need for me to push either of them, especially since all my lock towns agree on that and I am pretty comfortable sheeping them. Also the point you made on Koshi's vote was already made by me, but got somewhat deflected by jat and marv.
Need/Want to look at a bunch of filters this evening.
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TBH it kinda baffles me that some ppl seem to think I am not 100% lock down town and will go full-ham-retarded-OMGUS if someone calls me scum.
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On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not. - Koshi
- VayneAuthority
- meta point: none of his usual sharpness, seems unsure of who he wants to push
- weird townread on koshi:
I still don't have a 100% tr on koshi but leaning town. its possible because of how the game played out + we have a lot of good players he doesnt feel the need to do much? i dont know honestly. All i can remember is him tunneling you and doesn't seem super cocky on any reads besides that which isnt normal. I get the point about koshi not needing to do much but I don't get why that makes him lean town.
- omgusing nm
- LightningStrike
- It seems like he is trying to gloss over koshi suspicion and push it onto me:
On February 09 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: So Koshi might be a good lynch. The way he defended Palmar seems weird but he attacks Kush for not trying this game which he claims as a tell from his last scum game. I will check kush in a little bit. - he talks about his thoughts before he replaced in which are now completely irrelevant, plus he's having trouble townreading people who are obvious town:
On February 09 2016 08:16 LightningStrike wrote:Okay so Rels thoguht I was a obs when I had just replaced Onegu. Also I found it funny that the people who were NK'd were all scumreading my slot. Kinda awkward for me tbh >.< I originally thought JAT was going to be scum because of his attitude at EoD1/Night 1 area because he normally a ass as scum from my memory. Oh well my read on JAT was bad apparently  I kinda want to give Rel's a townread because he actually seemed to want to solve the game and doesn't seemed to buddy with people if I read his stuff right.
- Chezinu
- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
- MoosyDoosy
- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town Circle - Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now. - marv is active lol - NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green - darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later. - disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek - Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool. - Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into: - boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad. - noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much. - I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again. - tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA.
You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer?
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On February 09 2016 23:53 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:On February 09 2016 23:45 marvellosity wrote: Seems to me maybe it's something like:
Palmar/Koshi Chezinu/VA/boxerfred
then a smattering of darth and moosey and LS I kinda mad you can't seem to read me.... Unless you man if you were wrong on your townread it would of been me,md, and darth? please enlighten me, how is one supposed to townread you.. Try to lynch him and guess if his yelling at EoD is town or not.
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On February 10 2016 00:39 VayneAuthority wrote: but hey if it takes my mislynch to make you realize you are a beautiful flower be my guest fixed.
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On February 09 2016 05:03 Palmar wrote: yeah sorry guys I don't have the energy to fight this. I'm just sort of burned out at the moment.
I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life.
I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it.
Good luck.
On February 10 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote: I am totally burned out for some reason. Dnu why. Sad days. Starting to see a pattern here.
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On February 10 2016 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait he claimed cop? i might have to go back and actually read the thread lolol Nah, didn't actually claim. But there were a bunch of posts like this:
On February 07 2016 03:34 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 03:17 Koshi wrote:On February 07 2016 03:15 boxerfred wrote: So, here's my situation: I'm gonna be the D2/D3 lynch.
Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE".
Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that.
I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way. Ok. I'll shoot Kush. Best target by far. Okay I'll cop-check confirmed town in disformation then so I can fin(n)d scum next night yo
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@VayneAuthority: Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games?
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On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town Circle - Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now. - marv is active lol - NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green - darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later. - disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek - Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool. - Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into: - boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad. - noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much. - I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again. - tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote: Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Day 2+ Show Spoiler [Moosy Day 2 reads] +On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote: I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily. namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing. pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal. I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy? But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all.
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On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 04:52 disformation wrote: @VayneAuthority: Did you take a look at NocturneMage's previous games? basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote: all of those things make me town though, that is basically my town meta in a nut shell. Still curious why you meta everyone else and then continually refuse to look at my past games, ive asked multiple times now for proof that I don't do these things as town. Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers yes or no plx. -.-
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On February 10 2016 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 05:25 disformation wrote:On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote:Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] +On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote:[*] Chezinu- doesn't have the good reads on people that I would expect
- his reasoning on palmar is convenient for scum
[*] MoosyDoosy- There's nothing surprising about the order of his list but in the explanations he is second guessing himself on almost every read. His read on me is very superficial-- I had a scummy mindset. I'd say yes, but I put it out there blatantly which makes more sense to read as null.
On February 09 2016 08:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town Circle - Rels town from D2 although I had my suspicion earlier so I would not be surprised if he is unexpectedly Mafia. But I will go logic > feel for now. - marv is active lol - NM is doing his convoluted way of collecting reads
lean on green - darthfoley looks good, tbh don't remember him much, townread him early and forgot about him. may look into later. - disformation looks like his waffle king town but i am never sure about him. I will check his mafia game I think.
Lol wtf idek - Chezinu is an enigma, but he plays games so that is cool. - Onegu is an enigma, but he does not play games so he is lower than Chezinu.
People to Look Into: - boxerfred was bad EoD and his anger was definitely misplaced. Some of his reads were also very bad. - noon had some scummy posts from a scum mindset which I'm surprised no one seemed to have mentioned much. - I scumread him for D1 stuff but idk if he looks better now. Will have to look into again. - tbh i don't really know how I feel about Koshi but it looks like everyone is scum reading him so I will look into him again. - nothing I can point to as particularly townie
Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads+ Show Spoiler +(Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote: Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows.
ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Day 2+ Show Spoiler [Moosy Day 2 reads] +On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up.
mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote: I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] +On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: at disformation
between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes.
onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way.
MoosyDoosy could be scum because:
(1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2
(2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive
(3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily. namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing. pretty sure now that read was contrived.
(4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854)
(5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed.
his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal. I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is.
I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy? But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all. That was pretty much the gist of my argument. Especially when you compare that to his filters - in terms of sheer quality of reads - from Fullmetal and Drams and you should have a much better idea of what I'm talking about. Ah makes sense.  Had a slight problem following the post cause long and mucho quotes. Am still tired. xD Yeah, was looking over his fullmetal game yesterday. He had like cases and stuff! Well they were on town, but he did stuff! So yeah, he can be one of my now four scum reads.
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yo @ VA I was skimming the filters of your last 4 town games. Went faster than expected since your biggest filter was like 5 pages... I would have scum read you in every single one of them. xD But TBH I am not a huge fan of reading games I had 0 involvement with, since it is hard to grasp the contexts of posts n flowers. So if you are town I would really love to work with us a bit.
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On February 10 2016 06:08 Rels wrote: We're 8-4 right now right ? Without something messing up with the KP in two different nights we only have 1 mislynch to spare ... seems super harsh TBH. + we have no clue if they still have that strong arm shot or not, since in my understanding a failed shot with that thing will not be announced. -.-
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On February 10 2016 06:12 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:08 Rels wrote: We're 8-4 right now right ? Without something messing up with the KP in two different nights we only have 1 mislynch to spare ... seems super harsh TBH. + we have no clue if they still have that strong arm shot or not, since in my understanding a failed shot with that thing will not be announced. -.- And obv what darth said about it being 9-3.
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On February 10 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2016 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont think he realized yet that I often don't mean what I say day 1 and do a lot of reaction tests. Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? Ugh. As I said I am not fond of reading games I had 0 involvement in. So I am not expertin VA met here, especially since I only skimmed the games. In one town game he was playing some sort of game D1 so that could count as reaction test? In another he was TRing someone for not agreeing with his D1 reads.
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On February 10 2016 06:31 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont think he realized yet that I often don't mean what I say day 1 and do a lot of reaction tests. Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? Ugh. As I said I am not fond of reading games I had 0 involvement in. So I am not expertin VA met here, especially since I only skimmed the games. In one town game he was playing some sort of game D1 so that could count as reaction test? In another he was TRing someone for not agreeing with his D1 reads. Also note that his filters are really really short generally. So super hard to grasp the context.
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On February 10 2016 06:32 NocturneMage wrote:phoneposting as I skim Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:10 Rels wrote: Oh no we're 9-3. 8-3 tomorrow, so 2 mislynches, unless the anti blue stuff hit, then we need one KP-free night to keep the 2 mislynches. Reminder: We can no-lynch this game. Does that change anything? If they don't kill with the blue shot we lose 1 ML by no lynching. If they kill someone with it we have 1 ML and 1 No lynch imo.
Assuming 1 scum kp every night.
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On February 10 2016 06:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2016 06:24 Rels wrote:On February 05 2016 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont think he realized yet that I often don't mean what I say day 1 and do a lot of reaction tests. Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? From PYP as town: Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 00:50 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 23 2016 00:46 kitaman27 wrote:On January 23 2016 00:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 23 2016 00:42 Palmar wrote:On January 23 2016 00:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 23 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote:On January 23 2016 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: theres no way anyone picked dimensional lemming anyway. One of the super weak roles on the list and on top of that it requires extra effort
Repeat after me: "If I ever get lynched I solemnly swear to not use my power. If my power is mandatory I will kill whoever Lord Palmar tells me to". Unlikely I survive past N1 but I would most likely kill some one like kitaman who is impossible to lynch kita is not impossible to lynch. You will kill whoever I tell you to. I just need to get the ducks in line and actually post a case. But for now I'm sort of fine with killing vivax. Also it's actually kind of scummy to think you won't survive past n1, it's not like you're either a powerful role or have shown much effort to solve the game sooooo..... Are you delusional or did you write that because you wanted to poke open the idea you might get nk'd? You have claimed to not read the thread, 1 or 2 people have threatened shots on me already in addition to quite a few people in this game that don't like me, it is very likely Could you detail why I'm your strongest scum read anyways? If you could lynch me today, would you want to? Thats up to you to decide, I always troll on day 1. I might not even scumread you at all. I'm just interested in your reactions VA was in PYP?
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