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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:13 GMT
#861
" ... They were both saved. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to scum KP."
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:15 GMT
#862
Indeed, I saved myself.

Anyways, so just to humor me (my reads were proven to suck), both of you please post why exactly you are town and I should lynch the other one. This loyal servant of the Lord of Murder commands you to
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:17 GMT
#864
On February 19 2016 08:16 Wartrukk wrote:
Worked my way up from smaller bullets until I could survive a normal sized bullet


Hmm. Are these smaller bullets still in your body? How did you get them out if not?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:20 GMT
#866
If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours.
This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge.

Did you roofie me?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:21 GMT
#869
On February 19 2016 08:19 Iwasrobik wrote:
Will do that tomorrow, but you can start by reading every dead player filter ^^
Good call btw, warttuk made a mistake though. It was very likely that you would protect yourself so he should have shot me.


Okay, I'll start with Bhaal (and most likely end too). He's my master and lord, surely he has all the answers
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:24 GMT
#871
On February 19 2016 08:21 Wartrukk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 08:20 keanuisgod wrote:
If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours.
This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge.

Did you roofie me?

Wait which drink did you have again? I thought my nod was lacklustre


I had a cranberry juice, with cinnamon sparkles on top
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:26 GMT
#872
On February 11 2016 01:35 Bhaal LoM wrote:
I actually liking you Vald and might give you a pass for now. I think smurf hunting isn't really useful myself because it will distract us for trying to find scum.


Hmm.
Are we actually sure Valdi flipped scum? My master said otherwise
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:29 GMT
#873
Hey, if you guys aren't gonna put votes on each other how do you expect me to do so too?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:40 GMT
#875
It certainly leaves you in a better spot than robik.

Wouldn't town robik be suspicious enough of Warty to put a vote on him right away? Isn't robik the one not "afraid" to vote and accuse people?
Something smells fishy, gonna reread his filter first
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:46 GMT
#876
On February 19 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote:
I got a pm saying I'm town. I totally fucked the dog all game and don't really feel bad about it but the only scum-aligned thing I've done is push for garg's lynch. Robels played for the endgame and honestly deserves this win.

Seems like a slow-roll though why not just put KP on me? There's like 0% you were saving me right?


I actually used "random.org" to choose between the 3 of us at the same time with equal probability. Had no clue who was scum or not, so there would have been a 33% I'd have targetted you
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 18 2016 23:53 GMT
#877
On February 11 2016 12:49 Bhaal LoM wrote:
nnn is null because I dislike his smurf hunting over scum hunting but his content otherwsie was okay. War seems townie too I think he was attacking nnn hard on his smurf hunting stuff.


Town read on Warty

On February 11 2016 22:23 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Okay just woke up.
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2016 21:41 keanuisgod wrote:
On February 11 2016 19:45 GargamelxD wrote:
And Bhaals opinion of him doesnt make any sense (his opinion of me and not-opinion on rom). what he said about me he could say about rom and yet he thinks im more likely mafia.

so i guess after realizing that im willing to vote both, and its not LS


Actually what he said about you could also be said about unholy, not Gold

On February 11 2016 14:10 Bhaal LoM wrote:
Like if any of the lurkers are scum prob is Gargame I didn't care for this post from him:
On February 10 2016 12:26 GargamelxD wrote:
cant really take any posts seriously so far, no analysis possible becouse it still seems like standard banter

He didn't try to analyze anything at all and he havne't posted anything since that post and it kind of worrisome. But his other content seems meh. Idk if it warrants a vote because sometimes townies are well lurkers.


On February 10 2016 19:51 unholyflare wrote:
I don't make anything of the arguments that have gone on. I'll return later in case something interesting happened.


Bhaal, why be suspicious of Garga and not unholy when they basically made the same exact post (which made you find Garga suspicious)?

@Garga: Your focus right now is on the "relative" lurkers. What about the more active players? Is there some active scum running around we can't seem to notice?

I will admit that prior to your post I didn't check unholyflare's filter probably NAI I guess.


Null read on unholy/robik

What are you trying to tell me, master?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 13:04 GMT
#887
On February 19 2016 19:32 Iwasrobik wrote:
2. N3 as scum I would have shot Wartruk

It was very unlikely that you protect anyone but yourself, and if you protected someone it felt like it would have been me. As scum I would have shot Wartruk for the immediate victory. Since it was a little more likely that you protect me than Wartruk, you being shot indicates Wartruk as scum.

Now apparently it's false since you RNG'd your protection. Fine. I'm not talking about the facts, I'm talking about the thread feel, and even Wartruk thought there were 0% chance you would protect him:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 08:20 Wartrukk wrote:
I got a pm saying I'm town. I totally fucked the dog all game and don't really feel bad about it but the only scum-aligned thing I've done is push for garg's lynch. Robels played for the endgame and honestly deserves this win.

Seems like a slow-roll though why not just put KP on me? There's like 0% you were saving me right?


TLDR As scum, I would have shot Wartruk. Since scum shot you, I'm not scum.


If you had shotted Warty, and I had saved him (remember I RNGed, could possible have happened), then you would have lost 100%. By shooting me, you would either win 66% of the time (when I prot someone else), or this exact scenario happens, where you FOS Warty and convince me to lynch him.
Would the safest option, for a scum robik, actually be shooting me? Either day continues as normal, trying to lynch the "easy ML" Warty, or straight up win if I fuck up?

Also, Warty even says it here:
On February 18 2016 08:04 Wartrukk wrote:
Wow it was robik the whole time fuck even if you save I can't win that f3 gg


Why wouldn't scum Warty shoot you robik? He's making no effort to win the game right now. If he's scum, and he knows "I'd likely prot myself", what's the motivation for shooting me, and after it fails do nothing whatsoever to try and save himself? Wouldn't it make more sense to shoot you, and have the chance of the shot going through (again "likely" in your mind)?

Why didn't Warty shoot you robik? Tell me, tell me robik, why didn't he shoot you?
Tell me

On February 19 2016 20:25 Iwasrobik wrote:
All the infos are there anyway, if you vote me you are the worst player that has ever played, and reading your cases D3 I do not have this impression at all.


Why this fearmongering though?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 13:07 GMT
#888
So, I'm having trouble differentiating a "try-hard" scum robik and an apathetic town Warty, from the "apparently obvious" choice of robik town and Warty scum.

Weren't people suspicious on me solely because they thought I was Shapelog and he had "played an amazing scum game" recently?
What if robik is a Shapelog-fellow with an amazing scum game instead?

I can't pinpoint scummy things about robik, but what if he's an amazing scum riding this to victory with all his might?
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 13:08 GMT
#889
On February 17 2016 08:40 keanuisgod wrote:
That possible-bus is actually more town-indicative than yours. As in, I can believe you (robik) being scum and bussing Valdi on D2 more than I could believe Warty being scum and bussing Valdi in this case.


I reread stuff like this and it makes sense to me, which makes this so much harder ;_;

Warty was the sole deciding factor in Valdi's lynch
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 17:36 GMT
#899
That's all NAI really robik

This however:

On February 14 2016 08:09 Iwasrobik wrote:
Yo I'm super drunk so I'll pass out and wont come back before tomorrow. Some posts made me want to puke more than alcohol though during reading, by both warttuk on my reads that are suddenly bullshit and kaenu s attack on me


On February 14 2016 08:10 Iwasrobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 08:06 keanuisgod wrote:
Ok.

My "narrative" regarding robik is this:
I'm thinking that robik (and scumteam by association) think the medic is between Gargy/Warty (whoever is townie between thme or both), so he HAS to go after me and leave those two be to be safe. I mean, you can't prop up the medic as your D3 mislynch since once he claims your plans are fucked.
So he HAS to make a shitty case on me and push me as "obvious scum" for it to work, i.e it's less risky for scum.
Valdi can be scumbuddy under the bus or just townie robik is latching on for D2 misslynch

But well, obviously this is a narrative that only works assuming he's scum

No wait this obviously is super bad but this post is 90% from a townie. Shapelog attacked me with narrative like that in a game I didn't have time to play, keanu is shape right ? I read that somewhere.


On February 14 2016 08:11 Iwasrobik wrote:
Meh can't think will read that tomorrow when my gf is not watching. Warttuk prob scum for bring "yeah robik you're right!" Yesterday and now he is "yea kaenu you're right!"


On February 14 2016 08:13 Iwasrobik wrote:
Head is spinning see you tomorrow


I consider myself a pretty advanced drunkhunter. Whenever someone comes into the thread an posts drunk or "appears" to post drunk, I can read them like an open book. I even used these abilities in D3 using these same posts above. However I seem to have made a mistake (in my panic to lynch scum in D3 MYLO).

Compare the posts above, to true drunk posts:

On February 13 2016 13:03 keanuisgod wrote:
Dunno if id make associations like this right now.
Though to be honest i really thought robik would vote me lol. Maybe its misddirection whatever


On February 13 2016 13:24 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 04:36 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
On February 13 2016 04:25 keanuisgod wrote:
Now that you are here, what about Gargy?

I get the feeling he's too confrontational and "in-your-face" to be scum, but based on PoE he's up there, at least considering the facts (the vote on a lurker without many other contributions regarding scum, etc)


Yes. It is suspicious how he showed up right after bhaal mentioned him, deflected onto 77, then fucked off.

But I don't see him as especially scummy actually. He had solid points against 77.
Awkward opening, bad vt claim, late to the party, etc.
Plus you can't really fault someone for a lurker lynch..

It's a very weak read. Hopefully garg gives us more content to judge him off of.


Wat changed yor mind?


I didn't notice this at the time, but now everything's clear:
robik hasn't made a single spelling mistake in his "drunk" posts

I can't stress enough how suspicious this is. It basically shows he was actually sober "faking" being drunk.
In fact, he tries to assert that fact many times, with stuff like "Yo I'm super drunk", "Head is spinning", etc. If you drunk post, it's not necessary to express you are drunk posting, at least not twice.
Again, compare those to my drunk posts (made by confirmed townie). I didn't mention me being drunk, I had spelling mistakes, and could barely muster the mental effort to create push any kind of thought or case.

However, robik comes into the thread "drunk" and instantly pushes his hidden agenda of suddenly thinking I'm town for a random post. Remember at this point I was tunneling on him. He must have realized this and knew he had to back off me, so he faked being drunk, pointed out a random post saying how "this post is 90% townie", and made it explicitly clear he was drunk many times. This has the effect of making people think he's being genuine and honest with this flip-flop on me, so we get off his back.
Yet he got scot free by just pointing out a random post, say "it's 90% town" and peace out. Now everybody in the thread believes his change of mind, without any effort from him.
He also knew by how I reacted to Bhaal (accusing him, then Bhaal posting "genuine" townie posts, and me backingoff). He knew that I would back off him too. This was the perfect plan, you really outshined yourself robik.

If you want, you can talk to any toxicologist or neurologist and they'll tell you the same thing I did. That's not drunk behavior, therefore robik must be lying.
Whoa!
keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 17:39 GMT
#900
On February 15 2016 00:15 Iwasrobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 03:47 keanuisgod wrote:
Anyways robik, I am not sure you believe your own case against me, it seems to me like you haven't even read my filter (though I'm biased since I now my alignment obs).

Your only points are:
- "Fluff" posts and "He's not trying to solve the game" attitude when it was like 2-4 hours into D1, conveniently ignoring anything else from late-D1 (where shit actually matters).
- The Bhaal case, which also had an illogical point (the last one). I can't really call you out on you thinking that about me because of the Bhaal case since you weren't there in the thread when it happened (though I guess you can still reread the thread carefully to figure things out). So I'll ignore that (other than the bad point you made). I advise you to reread that part of the thread carefully.
- Don't call too many people scum. I can see how you may think this might be "scummy" in isolation, but context is everything so I believe just reading the thread and my filter would dissipate any doubts regarding this point.

The last point was the reason I was sure you were scum. Now I think you're town, but maybe try to take stronger stances in the future, as you didn't take one the whole game. For example, your votes were "fuck it I'm voting LS", "damnit I'm voting goldrom the only lynch potential" and "I'm bored I'm voting robik". Even now against me, you're unsure and it seems like you're asking others' opinion to scumread me. Being that indecisive is the easiest way to be manipulated in mafia; do stuff, attack people on things you think make them scum, make them react. That's what I did, and I think you're town now 'casue of your thinking about why I would attack you as scum was kinda smart.


I also found this interesting. He straight tells me I could be "easily manipulated" by not being sure of my reads.
And what happened in N2/D3? Well, on N2 everybody seemed sure Warty was scum. As D3 rolled on I was unsure of my reads. Then what happens? robik comes into the thread with a huge case on Garga instead, shifting the whole sentiment of the thread, and shifting my own reads.
Notice how I almost instantly agree with him, then go post more stuff about Warty being town and Garga scum, etc. It's obvious manipulation, and manipulation is made by scum.

He had planned this from the beginning, ever since that post. That's why he backed off me. He didn't want to misslynch me on D3/D4, he wanted to BE with me in MYLO/LYLO to manipulate me into lynching whoever he wanted. On D3 it was Gargy, now it's Warty. He realized this at that point so he instantly thought I was town.

It was a very good plan, it almost worked, if not for my save last night (he didn't need me anymore after the Garga lynch so he'd off me), and me figuring this stuff out now.

Case closed
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 17:39 GMT
#901
Regarding Warty, check out these posts:

On February 19 2016 08:16 Wartrukk wrote:
Worked my way up from smaller bullets until I could survive a normal sized bullet


On February 19 2016 08:17 keanuisgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 08:16 Wartrukk wrote:
Worked my way up from smaller bullets until I could survive a normal sized bullet


Hmm. Are these smaller bullets still in your body? How did you get them out if not?


On February 19 2016 08:20 keanuisgod wrote:
If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours.
This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge.

Did you roofie me?


On February 19 2016 08:21 Wartrukk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2016 08:20 keanuisgod wrote:
If you got them out, I'd find that suspicious. I am the only one on town's side who can take out bullets, and I don't remember taking out yours.
This either means you are scum, and one of your scumbuddies has first-aid training, or you drugged me some night and forced me to operate on you without my knowledge.

Did you roofie me?

Wait which drink did you have again? I thought my nod was lacklustre


When he said he had gotten rid of small bullets, I was immediately suspicious of him. How could he have gotten rid of bullets if I didn't visit him at night (to cure his wounds as Doctor)? The only possibility would be he had a scumbuddy help him.
But there was a way he could be town, which I mention above.

Then check out his response. It feels genuine, it certainly feels like he vaguely remembers that night, and remembers drugging my drink but doesn't have all the details about it. That's how he would actually react if he had actually roofied me on our date together, and then abused me to cure his wounds.
He must have thought that having bullet holes in his body would make me suspicious of him, so that's why he wiped my memories later. You don't have to worry about it Warty, I understand perfectly

If he was scum I'd have expected more lies. I'd have expected a wall of text detailing a huge fake scenario that didn't happen, or Warty panicking after I found him out. But that didn't happen, Warty reacted very townily in front of the pressure of a D4 where he'd "obviously" get lynched.

Also notice how he's still consistent with his "I don't care" behavior. If he was scum I'd have expected his behavior to change to try and lynch robik with all his might instead, but he didn't. This is townie
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 17:39 GMT
#902
Let's do this!

[image loading]

##Vote: Iwasrobik
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 19 2016 19:56 GMT
#903
There is a way I could change my mind about you. I have a question to ask you, that if you answer correctly it might prove that I am actually wrong.

However, I'll wait for you to respond first before asking it.
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keanuisgod
Profile Joined February 2016
271 Posts
February 20 2016 00:45 GMT
#908
On February 20 2016 07:24 Iwasrobik wrote:
Looooool obvious troll is obvious :D


Ok, I'm super convinced you are scum now.

However, I still have that question to ask of you, just in case you answer it correctly
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