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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 08:03 GMT
#396
Oh and trfel looks scummy to me also.

You obviously didnt actually read my large stream of thoughts post.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 08:32 GMT
#401
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?
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Onegu
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January 27 2016 16:31 GMT
#461
Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome.
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Onegu
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January 27 2016 16:56 GMT
#476
On January 28 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
##unvote
##vote onegu



Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 17:01 GMT
#482
On January 28 2016 01:57 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 01:56 Onegu wrote:
On January 28 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote:
##unvote
##vote onegu



Really disappoint here you are much better than this kush.


how so when I mislynched you 2 games ago...



Figured you would learn your lesson
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 17:02 GMT
#484
On January 28 2016 01:57 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, evidently you are still around....

You said that you are playing this game differently, more seriously. Can you please explain the mindset that you are using this game?



I am not trolling... And am actually putting my thoughts down instead of just not having a 5 page filter on day 3
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 17:08 GMT
#486
On January 28 2016 02:06 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, one last question, sorry:

Can you describe how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed, and why?



...


My read on him is null...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 18:10 GMT
#511
On January 28 2016 02:55 Trfel wrote:
Off to class for most of the afternoon.

Onegu, I'd really appreciate it if you could answer that last question when you get a chance, and yes I know I lied about only one more question. This one's actually the last one, I promise.



I thought I already answered. It doesnt move the thread forward in a meaningful way. It doesnt make sense to do at all. There are more reasons for scum to do this than town.

Dunno why I am talking to you...

You are scum.

@Kush Its in my filter why he is scum. He is only asking questions and giving little to no follow up on the questions he was asking.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 18:33 GMT
#520
On January 28 2016 03:29 Trfel wrote:
Onegu
Unknown
Unknown

I'm primarily scumreading Onegu because he doesn't seem interested in finding scum but instead appearing useful. The biggest example of this is his Shapelog read, which he has made a ton of comments about, but he doesn't seem to actually be caring about it. As in, his comments about Shapelog don't flow, they don't seem to be a town progression that attempts to find someones alignment.

But I need to check again when I am on a computer.



I found scum. You. You are misrepresenting me.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 21:30 GMT
#569
On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
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On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


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On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.

Show nested quote +

On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.



When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.

Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.

I will agree your point on Tumble is good.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 21:31 GMT
#570
On January 28 2016 06:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 05:59 PepperMintTea wrote:
@Tumblewood

I'm having a hard time following this train of thought

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog


Trefl leans town and onegu is null

then

On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.


So now trefl is neutral but Onegu is likely town

and then

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)


Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.



TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me,


Onegu and Trefl are both scum.

I guess I have the hardest time understanding how you came to the conclusion about onegu. You thought he was towny early on based on the above. Then he made a good case about trefl. Yet despite that you have him as scum..alongside trefl.

From my perspective, you have people who you read town for doing less towny things , than onegu has done yet you scumread him.

it seems strange.

It doesn't make sense to make a read on early D1 and then never change it. As information has come out, I've been getting more and more of a feel on people. By the first little tier post, Trfel had done nothing scummy and neither had Onegu. They even looked a little town for helping to get things started. Darthfoley and MexicanAlien appeared scummy to me for the first few pages, but their play has been solid since. The big turning point for me was when Onegu posted that giant stream-of-consciousness post. That was the only big thing he'd posted all game, and most of it lacked his own opinions. The only part where he said anything definitive himself was his read on Trfel (which I agree with, hence Trfel leaning scum in my mind). Onegu and Trfel both look like classic examples of players who are very active but not saying much. Onegu was also really confrontational toward accusations, which seemed odd to me.
Could you explain to me what you find town about Onegu's play?



Why wouldnt I be confrontational?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 21:50 GMT
#576
On January 28 2016 06:32 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, when you said that Shapelog was being "weird" by bringing up meta on nooniansoong, what did you mean?

Did you mean that Shapelog was town, or mafia? If neither, why were you bringing it up?



I wasnt sure what to make of it to be honest. It was wierd. Thinking more on it seems to come from scum more than town mindset though.

Why the hell are you still asking questions. Do you think the more questions you ask the less I am going to scum read you.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 21:54 GMT
#577
On January 28 2016 06:34 PepperMintTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 06:30 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 19:30 PepperMintTea wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:20 _MexicanAlien wrote:
I am starting to fully understand the townie reads on Shapelog. Good reasoning and critical thinking @Eden1892

Onegu has seemed slightly scummy, and he's definitely not a cooperative player.

There's still something sketchy about PepperMintTea in my mind though.


Can you explain what Onegu did that makes him scummy?


On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 27 2016 17:23 Eden1892 wrote:
Ok I'll grant that you do say Trfel is scummy without much ambiguity near the end of the train of thought post. It's hard to count that for much when you apparently forgot that read in your response to me though.

And you named mex and tea reads just now but said nothing to that effect in the post. If anything you implied mex was scum. Your comments on tea and tumbleweed weren't clearly indicative of any opinion.

Do you care to explain these discrepancies?



What are you talking about?

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


@Onegu

I'm rather curious how you have come to this conclusion, I think at one point you had me down as "scummy as hell".
The scum read is based on nooniansong's scum read of me. I hope that has been cleared up for you. But outside of this you defended me twice.


On January 27 2016 09:24 Alur wrote:
Oh and a question for PepperMinTea: You went out of your way to defend Shapelog, and you were somewhat spooked by MexicanAliens accusations towards Shapelog for vague reasons - but you townread him because "mafia aren't spooky this fast". You also townread Onegu.

Do you have any scumreads?

I'm a little sad that I didn't ask this question before he left. Ended up spending quite a bit of time on my entrypost.



Some people play the game by finding town reads and then doing POE from there this is NAI. The question is fine.

On January 27 2016 09:37 nooniansoong wrote:
Another point against pepperminttea: she was in the thread for a very short chunk of time. She did not linger before or after her post. This behavior can be caused by fear of exposing yourself too much.


Bleh. Can be caused by being busy...


I would be interested how having, one fairly weak scum accusation, and two reasons you stated are not good reasons. I have come out as scummy as hell. It seems inconsistent. Perhaps you have misunderstood something I wrote.



When people are scum reading scummy people for bad reasons I will point out they are bad reasons. I need to re read you to be honest. The fact that Noon is being dumb is making me trust he read less.

Much more interested in Trfel and Tumble now.

I will agree your point on Tumble is good.


Ok I can understand you pointing out bad reasons , can you tell me where "scummy as hell" came from , what are the very good reasons, you mentioned

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On January 27 2016 17:32 Onegu wrote:

You havent clearly read my big post have you. Tea I talk about alot when quoting kushs posts saying kush makes many good points and would sheep him. And I talk about my Tea read is effecting my Shape read. How the fuck did I imply mex was scum?


I am curious what these very good points are



It was the whole stream of thoughts thing and you scum reading shape for it. I need to read your post on that.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 27 2016 22:14 GMT
#582
On January 28 2016 07:03 PepperMintTea wrote:
honestly onegu that is a really weak answer




Well that is what you are getting
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 28 2016 17:27 GMT
#837
My son is in the hospital now don't expect much.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 28 2016 21:18 GMT
#981
Sorry I just got home. Hoped I would be home sooner.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 29 2016 01:28 GMT
#1056
Will read up in a bit. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. I am kinda exhausted.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 29 2016 18:56 GMT
#1168
I am catching up.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 29 2016 19:53 GMT
#1190
First off stop trying to do VCA on a day 1 lynch on night 1 its just bad. VCA during lylo not before...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 29 2016 19:56 GMT
#1191
On January 29 2016 05:18 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 05:12 Kuragari42 wrote:
##Vote:Tumblewood


Surprised you wouldn't vote for Jesus, since it seems like the most viable strategy for you to not get lynched. Since he's your primary competition, lynchwise.



This is why you should have town read him. This comes from town a large majority of the time for future reference.
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