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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 14:50 GMT
#438
It's really too bad that Eden1892 stole my thunder
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 15:06 GMT
#442
On January 28 2016 00:05 Shapelog wrote:
Cuz if so.
Lynch Onegu.
Lynch Onegu.
Lynch Onegu.
Oh, you were joking.

I liked this attitude

Also, I think someone had a question to me about my question to nooniansoong, I'm more than happy to answer it after nooniansoong answers. Answering now would defeat the purpose of my initial question.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 15:10 GMT
#444
Onegu:

Please explain the mindset you are using in this specific game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 15:16 GMT
#447
On January 28 2016 00:10 Shapelog wrote:
I was joking though about mindlessly wanting him dead.
I am not Artnois lol
Uh, what?

Anyway, Eden, if you're scum, that move was extremely dirty and I won't be very happy with you [glares]
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 15:18 GMT
#450
On January 28 2016 00:17 Shapelog wrote:
Artnois in Outlaw posted "Lynch Parmar " over and over again.
For the record, that was a joke based on something Palmar had done previously.

Anyway, if anyone has anything they want to talk about, I'll be here, but otherwise I'll probably do other stuff.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 15:33 GMT
#454
On January 28 2016 00:24 Shapelog wrote:
Trfel, i am guessing Onegu is a scum lean of yours (please correct me if i am wrong.) do you have anyone else for scum leans and why?
He's not a scum lean, he's scum But I'll give him a chance to explain himself, because my read accuracy isn't the best.

I'd probably look at Tumblewood and Alur next, but I'm pretty busy today, so I doubt I'll do that until the evening at the earliest.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 16:53 GMT
#473
On January 28 2016 01:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 01:31 Onegu wrote:
Trfel 100% scum. Confirmed now. You are welcome.

maybe you can be town after all
Please explain?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 16:57 GMT
#478
Onegu, evidently you are still around....

You said that you are playing this game differently, more seriously. Can you please explain the mindset that you are using this game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 17:06 GMT
#485
Onegu, one last question, sorry:

Can you describe how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed, and why?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 17:36 GMT
#502
On January 28 2016 02:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 02:06 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, one last question, sorry:

Can you describe how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed, and why?



...


My read on him is null...
Then can you please explain this post?
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 17:42 GMT
#505
Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything.

On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.
On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.


3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Why is it scummy to be casual?



Going forward:

Talk about other players.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?


Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

He already explained it I think.

Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!"

So yes, the mafia does know the setup.

MexicanAlien posted:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more


To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town.

Regarding being casual:
Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself.

Regarding the pattern:
I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235.

On January 27 2016 10:10 nooniansoong wrote:
alur yeah that point about MA makes sense.
What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 17:55 GMT
#509
Off to class for most of the afternoon.

Onegu, I'd really appreciate it if you could answer that last question when you get a chance, and yes I know I lied about only one more question. This one's actually the last one, I promise.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 18:29 GMT
#518
Onegu
Unknown
Unknown

I'm primarily scumreading Onegu because he doesn't seem interested in finding scum but instead appearing useful. The biggest example of this is his Shapelog read, which he has made a ton of comments about, but he doesn't seem to actually be caring about it. As in, his comments about Shapelog don't flow, they don't seem to be a town progression that attempts to find someones alignment.

But I need to check again when I am on a computer.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 18:44 GMT
#522
Oh yeah, thanks nooniansoong for answering my question. That makes sense.

Another reason to be suspicious of Onegu is his answer to Eden's suspicion. Onegu's posts were focused on setting down discussion, while he claimed that he was promoting it. That statement can't come from town with Onegu's post attitude so far.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 18:54 GMT
#524
Because it's not about what a person is actually doing, but about what they're trying to do. In other words, what they think they're doing from their perspective.

Shapelog is playing a high activity style, which is just how some people play. There's nothing inherently wrong with it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 19:27 GMT
#532
JesusIncarnate, would you mind answering PepperMintTea's questions to you on page 22, I believe?

##vote Onegu
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 19:33 GMT
#535
Alur, why are you scumreading Kuragari42?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 19:44 GMT
#536
On January 28 2016 03:10 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 02:42 Trfel wrote:
Fine. Next time, please don't assume that you know everything.

On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.
On January 27 2016 10:01 Alur wrote:
On January 27 2016 09:23 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 27 2016 08:49 Alur wrote:
2. Slight townread on _MexicanAlien.
He seems to have a genuine interest in solving the game. Didn't know that mafia knows the setup (could be WIFOM I guess, but whatevs).

What could be wifom and why is it wifom?
FYI mafia doesn't know the setup but they have a better idea of it because they know each other's roles.


3. Slight mafiaread on Darthfoley
I would've expected him to be more excited about rolling town considering his previous game. His posting also feels a little casual and uninvested at times:

Why is it scummy to be casual?



Going forward:

Talk about other players.

On January 27 2016 07:34 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Is anyone else here seeing a pattern?


Not sure what you're referring to, very curious to hear what you've noticed.

He already explained it I think.

Firstly #2 states: "The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not!"

So yes, the mafia does know the setup.

MexicanAlien posted:
On January 27 2016 07:23 _MexicanAlien wrote:
Yes why talk about blue roles? This could possibly give the scum information. This may or may not help them but we shouldn't unwittingly give them any more


To me, this post suggests that MexicanAlien was not aware of the fact that mafia knows the setup. If he was mafia, he would know that mafia knew the setup. I think, it's WIFOM because it could be a gambit to make himself seem town.

Regarding being casual:
Not necessarily scummy, especially early on day 1. But when I look through his filter he seems too content on just making casual conversation (for my taste), but it's only as strong as any day 1 read can be, which is a caveat that I don't feel the need to post with my every read. I was also hoping for him to defend himself.

Regarding the pattern:
I don't think he explained it. He talks about a bunch of stuff after #235, but I can't tell if the observations he makes are different/unrelated to the pattern he claims to have seen in #235.

On January 27 2016 10:10 nooniansoong wrote:
alur yeah that point about MA makes sense.
What was nooniansoong trying to say by the last quote? Alur's conclusion about _MexicanAlien wasn't very clear, because when he explained it, he said that he thinks it's WIFOM, and WIFOM isn't alignment indicative. It seems that Alur feels that _MexicanAlien is town for reasons that are partially WIFOM, but it's not completely clear. Furthermore, what is nooniansoong saying when he says that the point makes sense? Does this mean that he understands it, or agrees with it? The two are very different things.

It's okay if you find my conclusion unclear, you are of course free to ask me to elaborate on this. But I only really made one "point" about MA. So I still can't see what other point about MA (coming from me) you might think noon thought "made sense". I honestly just don't understand the world where you paid attention to events that had unfolded up until then, and still asked the first part of that question. Does anyone else agree with my sentiment? I'm asking because maybe I only think the discussion, and the preceding events were easy to follow because I took part in them.
Have you ever made a knot a blanket?

Basically, you need to tie a large number of knots between cloth cut into strips. But if you mess up and tie cloth to the wrong cloth on the opposite side, you end up with an extra strip of cloth at the end, and you have to go back and fix it.

How far back do you go? Just a bit back? No, you go back until you are sure it is right, to make sure you fix the problem. Same thing here. I was questioning an interpretation issue, and I started by going as far back as possible to clarify the basis. Because if the basis is at all unclear, then nothing else matters, no matter how hard you try to make things match.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 20:06 GMT
#540
On January 28 2016 04:58 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Alur, why are you scumreading Kuragari42?

His initial series of posts suffered from being quite unoriginal, and his last set of posts throw flak onto Darthfoley for changing his opinions on things - and while that did occur, he was once again not the first one to bring it up. He also only stated he was "semi-suspicious" after Darth had thrown suspicion on him.

But he's promised us a big post, so I'm not gonna lynch before he's had his word.

Either way, I find it improbable that Darth and Kuragari are the same allignment.

On a related note, Onegu does seem a little scummy to me (he very much deals in absolutes, I don't see why he'd be so standoffish as town, but once again him being rude town isn't impossible). And like Darth and Kuragi I don't see you being on a scumteam with Onegu.

It seems to me like your reasons for scumreading Kuragari42 are based on "these things don't show that he is town" instead of "these things shoe that he is scum". Is this true?

Did you look at the way that Onegu has acted towards Shapelog?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
January 27 2016 20:19 GMT
#544
Alur, I think I see what you're saying, but I generally try to leave things open ended go avoid putting words in people's moutjs. It's useful to me to see how other people describe things.

For the record, I disagree with Eden's post above. After talking with several people I think that in the current TL mafia environment, it is best to be involved with many things so that you can more easily have meaningful conversations with people.
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