##vote nooniansoong

Most of me just wants to lynch nooniansoong and figure it out later if nooniansoong flips town. There's enough information, it shouldn't be too hard to find the last mafia.

But this probably isn't a good approach. I'm not sure when I'll have time to look through this, maybe Saturday morning-ish, but I'll try to re-evaluate and figure things out better.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 04 2016 21:41 GMT

#2123

On February 05 2016 06:39 nooniansoong wrote:
i was way too invested in this game to be scum.

If you're not scum, you should probably try and lynch me.

It'll make me mad and then I'll go find the actual scum.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 04 2016 22:10 GMT

#2128

So......

Does anyone else feel that nooniansoong claiming roleblock is ridiculously stupid for mafia to do?

Mafia knows that there's a veteran in the setup. So why would they EVER claim roleblock and then know how bad it looks when the veteran claims or flips. Because the know that the veteran will claim or flip.

It almost feels like clueless mafia who didn't realize that they should be roleblocking their kill. And just randomly roleblocked someone. Like, I have a really hard time seeing nooniansoong claiming roleblock as mafia, it doesn't accomplish anything.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 04 2016 22:11 GMT

#2129

On February 05 2016 07:03 nooniansoong wrote:
and i'm not a newbie whose meta is in flux. My scummeta has solidified. It's a solidified piece of shit.

But your town play has changed drastically recently.

Why can't you actually put in effort as mafia? If you choose to compare to your most recent mafia game, Eden claimed that playing in Outlaw Mafia didn't let you actually try in your scum game, is this correct?

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 03:57 GMT

#2133

I'm super busy tonight and don't have any time.

I'll try to do something useful tomorrow. But I'm starting to like this nooniansoong lynch less and less.... Even though I don't have a great alternative right now. Maybe it is nooniansoong and I'm just being silly, but whatever.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 03:59 GMT

#2134

Meh, nooniansoong was just so cautious in Outlaw mafia....

Nooniansoong, please explain why you approached Outlaw mafia so cautiously with regards to reads (specifically your townread on Tictock, the whole "I have no read so I think he's town" thing) contrasting with being so bullheaded for so long in this game.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 15:44 GMT

#2154

I don't really feel like PepperMintTea would say that they will bus a teammate and then be this inactive.

If I'm going to bus a teammate, I'll increase my activity and try to get as much credit for the bus as possible, and then try to make sure that I make the sacrifice worth it. Maybe PepperMintTea didn't approach it this way, but it seems a bit less likely. There are just a few things that make me not see PepperMintTea as mafia. I'll try to look more closely tonight.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:43 GMT

#2178

##unvote
##vote PepperMintTea

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:44 GMT

#2182

On February 06 2016 01:34 nooniansoong wrote:
i almost got the scott lynch then he had to be a fuckign blue role wtf

I do think that if you lynched scott31337 on Day 3, it would have been extremely hard for you to end up winning the game. That would have nearly ensured that Tumblewood would be lynched the next day, and you might have been able to talk your way out of that spot, but it would have been extremely difficult.

Nice play and effort level, though, not what I was expecting at all.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:45 GMT

#2184

On February 06 2016 01:43 nooniansoong wrote:

Show nested quote +

wat... i just admitted i was scum lol

Yeah I guess my reads are just that awful.

For the record, LoneMeow is probably a follower of Blazinghand in that concedes must be sent to the host in private. The reason for that (I believe) being that town can just make everyone say "I concede" in the thread and that would cause town to instantly win.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:47 GMT

#2188

On February 06 2016 01:46 nooniansoong wrote:
guess what im not scum lol.
i was just fuckign with you guys.

Yes, see, but now I actually have to lynch you regardless.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:50 GMT

#2190

Like I hate this argument, but I don't feel like I can not lynch nooniansoong now, because losing to him like this would be so pathetic and humiliating.

I'd rather lose to someone else.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:52 GMT

#2192

On February 06 2016 01:51 nooniansoong wrote:
trfel is definitely not scum after the above...dammit

I'm way way way too easily swayed by people saying I'm town

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 16:58 GMT

#2199

Grr, the thing is, to not lynch nooniansoong I'd have to read his filter.

And nooniansoong, you're great and all, but 15 pages is my maximum for filter reading. You're at 17.

So, who is left, anyway....

PepperMintTea
scott31337
nooniansoong
Trfel
_MexicanAlien
Shapelog

It's definitely not me and not scott31337. I have a super special secret reason to townread _MexicanAlien which I think is 100%. I'm not reading Shapelog's filter, but I don't really think that he could be mafia here either.... maybe he's just like this as mafia, since he has no mafia meta to compare to, but his play feels so natural. He's been kinda hidden lately, I don't feel like he's been in the spotlight or been making things happen since Day 2, but I'm not sure if that's meaningful or not.

Meh

I guess it really could be PepperMintTea. That's a filter I'm willing to read.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:03 GMT

#2201

On February 06 2016 02:01 Shapelog wrote:
And i have a super special secret reason to eat french fires.

This is make or break. Can we know about the uber secret reason.

No, you can't.

I'm not lynching _MexicanAlien unless someone gives me a really good reason to do so.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:09 GMT

#2204

On February 06 2016 02:08 Shapelog wrote:

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No, I'm not allowed to.

Nooniansoong, I'll take a look.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:21 GMT

#2208

Nooniansoong, I don't think I can not have one of these two remaining lynches be you. So basically if we don't lynch you today and we don't hit scum, I really really really don't think I will be able to not lynch you tomorrow.

That said, I really think I could lynch PepperMintTea here.

Reasons for PepperMintTea being:

Often arguing about things that are not important (like, arguing against people's scumreads of Onegu while also being suspicious of Onegu, another example being saying "Shapelog would be scum for this" and then presenting the entire reason only to say "I don't think that this reason is good and Shapelog is town").

"The reason I didn't vote for jesus was because I thought he was going to turn out to be a role or at least that is how I read his blatant lack of investment. iko didn't post but when he finally started playing it was apologetic.
Jesus by contrast was arrogant and he read like a role that didn't want to get townread to hard. I felt that if he was pushed then he would claim a role and I didn't want to get involved in that."

That last phrase really makes it seem like PepperMintTea is more concerned about appearance. Like, PepperMintTea doesn't mind at all if JesusIncarnate was pushed and forced to claim, they only care that they aren't a part of it.

There's more, but I guess I'm willing to go with this for now anyway. Also motivated by the fact that I don't have to change my vote.

Yes, I'm actually that lazy.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:25 GMT

#2211

It's really hard for me to read PepperMintTea.

There are a lot of really suspicious things, and a few really towny things. I'm not sure if the reasons for being town are not strong enough or if I'm reaching for suspicious things.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:31 GMT

#2213

On February 06 2016 02:27 Shapelog wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well i am willing to help you. Post quotes that you are in question and i will respond.

I did that. You didn't help me

As for the reasons to townread, stuff like where PepperMintTea explained how they approached the Day 1 lynch. The explanations feel like someone actually trying to solve the game, and shows critical thinking. Those thoughts aren't things that I'd expect to hear from mafia, it's just not in their mindset. Sometimes it happens, but it's not too frequent.

And the initial post, while many of the words end up being a bit pointless (opposite to the final conclusions drawn), it shows a desire to solve the game and think critically. Would new mafia really come in with original thoughts and reads contrary to the thread sentiment?

Stuff like that makes me doubt.

Trfel

7015 Posts

February 05 2016 17:34 GMT

#2216

On February 06 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:
Name 1 time i did not!

Besides right now, you mean?