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On February 02 2016 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Oh, I will also add that I think there's definitely a veteran on the mafia team. Kush, Eden, Trfel fit the bill. Why not scott31337? He has quite a bit of experience.
Four veterans in the game at the start (Onegu, Eden, nooniansoong, me). There's a little over a 29% chance for all four to roll town by pure RNG. Do you have basis for your statement?
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Interesting.
I guess I should have seen that better and looked into Eden's nooniansoong read before the night phase ended. But it's so darn busy.
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On February 02 2016 06:03 nooniansoong wrote:
trfel u are suggesting i killed eden because he scumread me? No, I'm suggesting that I wish I had talked to Eden more about his read on you to help myself get a better read on you, one way or the other.
I don't feel like I can draw any real conclusions from this night kill. All I do know is I'll be sure to look into Eden's reads a whole darn lot (not necessarily sheep them, but investigate them completely).
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On February 02 2016 06:14 darthfoley wrote:I also find it quite interesting that I died and Eden stayed alive  Hm?
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On February 02 2016 06:18 darthfoley wrote:
I find it quite interesting that I lived and Eden died* Oh, so THAT'S what you meant.
Thanks for clarifying, I never would have figured that out on my own.
But seriously, do you have any conclusions based on the night kill?
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On February 02 2016 06:33 darthfoley wrote:
Also when are we going to talk about blue roles? When said blue roles decide to do so.
They can make their own decisions.
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On February 02 2016 06:43 PepperMintTea wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote:On February 02 2016 06:04 PepperMintTea wrote:
##vote scott31337
see you wednesday Why are you so content with doing absolutely nothing? i'm voting mafia nothing is what you're doing I thought you said that you wanted to vote for scott31337 because he won't be able to show his alignment?
Why do you now say that he is mafia?
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On February 02 2016 06:46 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 06:21 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2016 06:18 darthfoley wrote:
I find it quite interesting that I lived and Eden died* Oh, so THAT'S what you meant. Thanks for clarifying, I never would have figured that out on my own. But seriously, do you have any conclusions based on the night kill? The real question is, do you have any conclusions? The great thing about being blue, is that I don't have to prove my towniness. I'm more interested in what other people have to say right now. Of course I have some theories of my own. See, the bad thing about being blue is that it's too easy to get complacent and to not put your best effort into the game, because you know that you won't be mislynched.
I already said that I didn't have any conclusion from the night kill, because I found too many reasonable explanations with different conclusions for each that I can't be sure of any conclusion from the night kill. So I'm just going to be giving extre attention to Eden's reads to make sure that I fully investigate what he was getting at and understand his arguments.
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Of all of the filters to start with, you choose Shapelog's XD
Well, I guess you'll be gone for a while.
Seriously lol
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For the ordered list, type "list=ordered" instead of "list".
@scott31337, that was Eden's fault, not mine. All Eden's fault. Once he started acting sensible I realized that he was more likely town. All Eden's fault, not mine at all, please don't lie or I'll be forced to lynch you.
Anyway, I'm pretty busy tonight, but I should have time tomorrow to go through some filters.
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Because the things you are saying aren't true.
But that's okay, keep on lying, perhaps if you lie enough I'll decide that you can't possibly be town and you are 100% mafia trying to deceive everyone.
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On February 02 2016 12:29 nooniansoong wrote:
Scott why didn't you glisten to my reasoning on why scum trfel had to bus ikido Okay, I take it back, the argument you presented pertaining to this is technically true, however it's not a reason for anyone to be mafia, it's a counter-reason to a reason for me to be town. Thus, it needs to be supplemented by an actual argument, the problem is that said actual argument doesn't exist.
So anyway, I'm going to play trumpet and then go to bed. Sorry for the post spam.
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Me, ritoky, Breshke?
Nooniansoong, good to see how much attention you're paying to my posts.
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On February 03 2016 00:38 nooniansoong wrote:
yo trfel u gonna vote for tumble or just sit there and nitpick me? The latter
I don't have time to read filters and do analysis until probably tonight. And although Tumblewood looked very much like mafia last time I looked, it's not appropriate for me to rely on that instead of looking again. Plus Tumblewood and scott31337 made some posts that I need to look much more closely at.
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On February 03 2016 00:43 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:41 Trfel wrote:On February 03 2016 00:38 nooniansoong wrote:
yo trfel u gonna vote for tumble or just sit there and nitpick me? The latter I don't have time to read filters and do analysis until probably tonight. And although Tumblewood looked very much like mafia last time I looked, it's not appropriate for me to rely on that instead of looking again. Plus Tumblewood and scott31337 made some posts that I need to look much more closely at. something tells me you are gonna vote for tumble rather than scott lol I like to think it's because Tumblewood is mafia and scott31337 isn't But we'll see.
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[QUOTE]On February 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:
If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the
BIG OL' POSTS
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Do you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light.
Shapelog
+ Show Spoiler +We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:34 Trfel wrote:On January 27 2016 06:32 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately  But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush Kush, has a certain thing he does as town (he might do it as mafia thou.) i seen him do it as vt in the last two games i playef with him. i don't want to say it since he could be mafia and it wouldn't be that great of a town tell anymore If I may, how is this at all useful? Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on . I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote:Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost.
Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:
Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote:
Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched.
Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler +I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it. On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote:
God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not.
I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed).
It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff.
Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later".
Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter.
There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters.
##vote Tumblewood
I'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia.
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My bad, sorry.On February 03 2016 15:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:If I don't live to see the night, I want to go down a hero. It's time... time for the BIG OL' POSTSohhhh boyDo you ever tunnel so hard that you get to the other side? Because I think I see the light. Shapelog+ Show Spoiler +We're starting way too early. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:37 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:34 Trfel wrote:On January 27 2016 06:32 Shapelog wrote:On January 27 2016 06:19 Trfel wrote:Shapelog, how does one "slip town"? Genuinely curious. I need to leave soon, unfortunately But two mafia down gives us 192 hours to find the last mafia, so there shouldn't be any rush Kush, has a certain thing he does as town (he might do it as mafia thou.) i seen him do it as vt in the last two games i playef with him. i don't want to say it since he could be mafia and it wouldn't be that great of a town tell anymore If I may, how is this at all useful? Its a dumbtell I guess it is the best way to say it. I mean it doesn't auto make him town if he does do it, it just something I see him do as vt. It's like syrup on a sundae, it's a condiment. Also When I Town/mafia read him I will say what it is. This is a weird way to establish a presence. I can't point to this directly as mafia, but there's something... off about it. On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. I am not trying to read him lol. I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on . I am of the opinion that an out-of-place town slip is a mafia slip in disguise. The second line has no purpose except for that "your scum team". On January 27 2016 07:39 Shapelog wrote:
I am just trying to help solve/point into a direction this game b/4 I have to get off at 6 ish. He had made one post tops trying to do that by then, and it was just stating the obvious. Shapelog is also really eager to explain things away, even if his explanation doesn't quite have the support. + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 07:05 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck. What exactly is weird about anything Shapelog did? Specifics please. Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 06:01 Shapelog wrote:Kush is scum because he hasn't slip town yet. 2 down OH I see why everyone is confused. I joked that Kush was scum while saying that. This explanation doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you? On January 27 2016 16:34 Shapelog wrote:
Like sure his above posts are good. But they are 2 posts. And one of them is about set up (which thank you btw Eden for taking the time to explain) I don't think that warrants a strong TR.
Idk you have played with Eden b/4. But to me it sounds like your trying to buddy/pocket him. Trying to buddy/pocket him? Do people even do that? On January 28 2016 10:50 Shapelog wrote:
Who knows maybe Tumble suffers from what i suffer from which is he reads the thread and at the end feels lost.
Nah He tried to explain my actions, and with no evidence, but then he entirely un-committed. On January 30 2016 08:00 Shapelog wrote:
So if he knew/guess/predicted that darth was bread crumbing.......
Would he, as scum, not rb/nk darth? I mean maybe he got talked out of it but idk. it is weird that he saw it as a bread crumb in the first place, but it is even weirder that it turned out true AND darth has been unscaved.
idk tbh what to think about it He didn't even bother to check whether I was right. He made the connection between a comment on breadcrumbing and a blue role, but there's nothing there. There were some things he said and not followed up on... + Show Spoiler +On January 27 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:
Btw I will log off around 6 pm in my local time and won't get on till 8 am since I won't have a home Cp. till tomorrow. He didn't log off for any significant time until half a day later. On January 27 2016 17:04 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 17:01 Eden1892 wrote:
Look right now even. He has nothing to say except to call people bad. He's in the thread while real, meaningful reads are being given, and he's pointedly not doing anything constructive. And we're supposed to believe this is tryhard town Onegu? Please. Eh i let you guys duel. It is 3 am. I am done. For shapelog in da future: Catch up Filter Drive: Onegu Deathfy Kush TW - I want to vist that scum case on me again. Low active people. He only followed up on one of those filters. ...until I pointed it out. Only after I noticed did he start following up on his promises, which only happens when someone's concerned about being scumread. His reads are also all over the place. + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote:
Actually that scum slip is ridiculously huge if he is scum and gets lynched.
Maybe I am wrong about my Tinfoil Team, Maybe one of Eden/Darth isn't scum and instead Kura is scum. Goes from Eden/Darth to Kura On January 29 2016 02:26 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 02:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 29 2016 02:12 Shapelog wrote:Because I feel for him. Granted I was lost in my first forum mafia game as scum, but I can definitely see why a first time town wouldn't be too sure of any of this reads, and wouldn't want to offend/piss other town off. Basically, read what Trfel posted because it sums up some of my current feelings towards Ikido + Show Spoiler +I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still.
Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural.
His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective.
I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. I think you can interpret him either way; if for example, it is Ikidomari vs. one of my TRs near EoD, I would likely vote for Ikido, but he isn't one of my primary suspects currently Hmmm, ok i can understand where you are coming from. In my opinion he has given up a bit with his last few posts, which goes against trofl town read. Then again I would expect a mafia, regardless of any type of experience level, to be aware what they are being town/scum read for. Idk you might of just bought Ikido a extra day. Let me dwindle on it. On Ikido, goes from scum to town to scum again to "let me consider it". Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 03:46 Shapelog wrote:
God dammit I am so Torn right now. If only I could vote two people... I am half tempting to try to find a loophole to where i can vote both my top scum reads for todays lynch. But considering how i like the Shining (CoHost) and Prince Lonemeow (host) I will not.
I think I going to vote with my gut and ##Vote: Ikidomari Though IMO both him and Kuga are up for it. Also Jesus considering the points made against him. Gave himself backdoors to vote any of three different people, now including Jesus but only after others had read him significantly. He voted Ikidomari then Kuragari, said (and I quote) "Ikido is mafia", called me "opportunistic scum", and votes Jesus out of the blue (citing kush's post as reasoning)... he had the single most votes of anybody that day, and he's still going with PMT/Trfel/me/Jesus as his scum reads (Eden, too, before she was killed). It really, really, really feels like Tumblewood is playing to survive instead of trying to find mafia. Or trying to push stuff. Town doesn't talk about going down a hero and then nonchalantly discuss a scum read. Town yells at people to get them to stop lynching them, town insists that everyone lynches their target after they die, town doesn't just say "I'm going to be a hero by calling out the scum team so you can all look even stupider for lynching me later". Tumblewood's lack of decisions and focus on the lynches continues to be suspicious. The off-wagon vote on Day 2 is very suspicious, and is a huge indicator of this point. Nooniansoong will say that this isn't alignment indicative, and technically he is right that it does not prove that Tumblewood is mafia, however off-wagon votes are fairly more often mafia than the standard town/mafia ratio, and it's an example of a huge trend throughout Tumblewood's filter. There is one thing that gives me pause, though, I'll see how it develops as Tumblewood continues to read filters. ##vote TumblewoodI'll try to check in tomorrow as much as I can. I have class for most of the day, though. Bleh. Tumblewood's reads feel fabricated and don't flow, he's not pushing anything and doesn't feel invested about his reads. It feels like he is posting his reads for the purpose of posting his reads instead of getting people to follow them. He's not interested about the lynches and therefore seemingly not interested in lynching mafia. I'm pretty sure that Tumblewood is mafia. Good night.
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On February 04 2016 03:13 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 03:08 Trfel wrote:
I'm willing to talk to anyone except nooniansoong about anything. aww right in the feels. Why not me? Because you've made it quite clear that you're not listening to anything I say.
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