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@shapelog, preview before posting with lots of quotes?
On January 30 2016 03:00 Shapelog wrote:Here TD LR or what ever (just the last thing i said before the end of my post). Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 14:50 Tumblewood wrote:
@Ikidomari: That was not the reasoning behind my changes of opinion. I read too much into the early, early posts and found myself having to backtrack to have opinions that made sense later in the game.
I agree for the most part on your other reads, but I'm not quite following what you said on Trfel; it seems like you're saying he both jumped on and started the lynch bandwagon. Could you clarify?
##Vote JesusIncarnate unless I see something that convinces me he's town. Hell he never directly says he isn't scum reading me or anything So WHY, if i was his main suspect, did he end up voting for jesus? That makes no logical fucking sense what so ever. It clearly shows him being opportunistic on his scum reads. How does end up voting for jesus when I am his scum read. And he allows himself to get out of the vote because of the bolded line. Let say jesus posts something towny, then Tumble has a way out and can just push me or another person. Or just hop on a wagon. The only reason why he wasn't opportunist for Kura was because he wasn't here b/4 the slip. He prob. would of jumped on it. I think he is a opportunistic scum.
I have a couple of points against this case"
1. What if he thought Jesus was a better d1 lynch due to lack of activity?
2. What if he didn't scumread you as much anymore but didn't feel the need to communicate that?
3. What if he thought Jesus had a better chance of getting lynched than you, so he thought his vote would be more effective there?
Or a combination of the above 3.
Later he reiterates his belief that inactive people should be lynched:
On January 29 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Seriously, where is Jesus this game. If he doesn't show up in the next eight hours, I don't think there's any way around lynching him. Someone can't just stay quiet, be unhelpful when they speak, and not be scummy for it. Unless we wait for a modkill?
And apart from all of that, what would be the scum motivation for voting for jesus rather than you? You say it's opportunistic, but provided both you and jesus are town (jesus is scum, but for your reasoning to work he has to be town), what does scum gain from switching from one town to another?
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@shape, regarding the other points on your venn diagram:
broad and nitpicking scumreads: I think this is referring to him calling you scum for calling yourself town. That's not broad, it's very specific. Tumble believes in that scumtell. He's a newbie so I can believe that he believes that.
repeats the thread's big name scumreads: I think he brought those people up in the beginning of the game because that's who people were talking about.
First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog
He didn't scumread them all though. Also the thread's bigname scumreads are scumreads for a reason, so it's natural that people share them. I don't think he does that to an extent that is suspicious.
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On February 02 2016 02:47 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:@shapelog, preview before posting with lots of quotes? On January 30 2016 03:00 Shapelog wrote:Here TD LR or what ever (just the last thing i said before the end of my post). On January 28 2016 14:50 Tumblewood wrote:
@Ikidomari: That was not the reasoning behind my changes of opinion. I read too much into the early, early posts and found myself having to backtrack to have opinions that made sense later in the game.
I agree for the most part on your other reads, but I'm not quite following what you said on Trfel; it seems like you're saying he both jumped on and started the lynch bandwagon. Could you clarify?
##Vote JesusIncarnate unless I see something that convinces me he's town. Hell he never directly says he isn't scum reading me or anything So WHY, if i was his main suspect, did he end up voting for jesus? That makes no logical fucking sense what so ever. It clearly shows him being opportunistic on his scum reads. How does end up voting for jesus when I am his scum read. And he allows himself to get out of the vote because of the bolded line. Let say jesus posts something towny, then Tumble has a way out and can just push me or another person. Or just hop on a wagon. The only reason why he wasn't opportunist for Kura was because he wasn't here b/4 the slip. He prob. would of jumped on it. I think he is a opportunistic scum. I have a couple of points against this case" 1. What if he thought Jesus was a better d1 lynch due to lack of activity? 2. What if he didn't scumread you as much anymore but didn't feel the need to communicate that? 3. What if he thought Jesus had a better chance of getting lynched than you, so he thought his vote would be more effective there? Or a combination of the above 3. Later he reiterates his belief that inactive people should be lynched: On January 29 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Seriously, where is Jesus this game. If he doesn't show up in the next eight hours, I don't think there's any way around lynching him. Someone can't just stay quiet, be unhelpful when they speak, and not be scummy for it. Unless we wait for a modkill? And apart from all of that, what would be the scum motivation for voting for jesus rather than you? You say it's opportunistic, but provided both you and jesus are town (jesus is scum, but for your reasoning to work he has to be town), what does scum gain from switching from one town to another? 1. He was absent from last few hours (before the scum slip) so he could not take adverseness of it 2. Him scumming me after i made a case proves he is paying attention to the thread. And it would make sense for him to do things to counter act this. Normal newbie behavior 3.Again was absent. I would think he would move personally onto the kura lynch but hey who cares. Well for day 1, there was no reason to vote me, as i was not getting lynched. Jesus was. Day 2, both cases were made and it would make sense for scum to play around the reasons he is being scum read. Ikido also voted for Jesus train too.
1 you didn't have to be here for the last few hours to think jesus had a lot less activity than you.
and ikido was BUSSING. He didn't show up near EoD d2. He didn't try to stop his lynch. BECAUSE HE WAS BUSING. And his team (trfel) was bussing him.
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On February 02 2016 02:54 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 02:51 nooniansoong wrote:On February 02 2016 02:47 Shapelog wrote:On February 02 2016 02:38 nooniansoong wrote:@shapelog, preview before posting with lots of quotes? On January 30 2016 03:00 Shapelog wrote:Here TD LR or what ever (just the last thing i said before the end of my post). On January 28 2016 14:50 Tumblewood wrote:
@Ikidomari: That was not the reasoning behind my changes of opinion. I read too much into the early, early posts and found myself having to backtrack to have opinions that made sense later in the game.
I agree for the most part on your other reads, but I'm not quite following what you said on Trfel; it seems like you're saying he both jumped on and started the lynch bandwagon. Could you clarify?
##Vote JesusIncarnate unless I see something that convinces me he's town. Hell he never directly says he isn't scum reading me or anything So WHY, if i was his main suspect, did he end up voting for jesus? That makes no logical fucking sense what so ever. It clearly shows him being opportunistic on his scum reads. How does end up voting for jesus when I am his scum read. And he allows himself to get out of the vote because of the bolded line. Let say jesus posts something towny, then Tumble has a way out and can just push me or another person. Or just hop on a wagon. The only reason why he wasn't opportunist for Kura was because he wasn't here b/4 the slip. He prob. would of jumped on it. I think he is a opportunistic scum. I have a couple of points against this case" 1. What if he thought Jesus was a better d1 lynch due to lack of activity? 2. What if he didn't scumread you as much anymore but didn't feel the need to communicate that? 3. What if he thought Jesus had a better chance of getting lynched than you, so he thought his vote would be more effective there? Or a combination of the above 3. Later he reiterates his belief that inactive people should be lynched: On January 29 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote:
Seriously, where is Jesus this game. If he doesn't show up in the next eight hours, I don't think there's any way around lynching him. Someone can't just stay quiet, be unhelpful when they speak, and not be scummy for it. Unless we wait for a modkill? And apart from all of that, what would be the scum motivation for voting for jesus rather than you? You say it's opportunistic, but provided both you and jesus are town (jesus is scum, but for your reasoning to work he has to be town), what does scum gain from switching from one town to another? 1. He was absent from last few hours (before the scum slip) so he could not take adverseness of it 2. Him scumming me after i made a case proves he is paying attention to the thread. And it would make sense for him to do things to counter act this. Normal newbie behavior 3.Again was absent. I would think he would move personally onto the kura lynch but hey who cares. Well for day 1, there was no reason to vote me, as i was not getting lynched. Jesus was. Day 2, both cases were made and it would make sense for scum to play around the reasons he is being scum read. Ikido also voted for Jesus train too. 1 you didn't have to be here for the last few hours to think jesus had a lot less activity than you. and ikido was BUSSING. He didn't show up near EoD d2. He didn't try to stop his lynch. BECAUSE HE WAS BUSING. And his team (trfel) was bussing him. Then Trofl takes the opportunity to vote Kura even though he didn't have too??? Make me see the light Kush.
Trefl's vote for kura had very little thought behind it. He didn't bus ikido before d2.
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Look at how much Trfel defended Ikido before he figured out he had to bus him d2:
On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that  I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now.
On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.
On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?
I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.
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On February 02 2016 03:21 Shapelog wrote:
Honestly a trofl and Tumble scum team makes more sense to me for some reason then jesus and trofl.
That reason being?
Trefl doesn't bus unless he had to. He has been scumreading Tumble since the beginning of the game. On the other hand he has been indirectly defending Jesus by saying "he's useless not scummy, we only have 1 mislynch left, his arrogance is townie" etc.
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On February 02 2016 03:30 Shapelog wrote:
Behavior. think about it. I think personally Trofl would try to control jesus cockyness more. The behavior of Ikido, Tumble, and Trofl fits like a glove.
what do you mean he wouldn't try to control him? I think he saw jesus as someone he knew was going to get replaced and thus a good opportunity for a scumbuddy to keep alive.
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trfel u are suggesting i killed eden because he scumread me?
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##vote trfel
I would also vote scott.
BTW thank you shape. I was really getting mad about you newbs not listening to me but you've put a shiny silver lining onto this game 
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Scumread 3.0
Same as scumread 2.0.
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I'm just gonna leave this here in case anyone decides they're tired of being wrong... (except PMT. you're cool).
On February 02 2016 03:00 nooniansoong wrote:Look at how much Trfel defended Ikido before he figured out he had to bus him d2: Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:38 Trfel wrote:On January 28 2016 19:31 _MexicanAlien wrote:On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:Oh. Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari. Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate. What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first. I'm not townreading him very strongly, but it's a slight read still. Ikidomari has been very open about feeling behind and not skilled enough. To me, this feels towny. In general, when mafia isn't skilled enough, they don't try and just give up. Ikidomari's play hasn't shown this at all. Instead, he feels relaxed and natural. His posts have felt free-flowing, and I don't think that the inconsistencies disrupt the flow of his reads from a town perspective. I realize that this is very subjective. I also feel that he's raised a few decent points that aren't so obvious. This is also subjective, though. In general, I don't like to lynch people because I don't have a good reason to townread them; if I can't show that they are scum, I don't want to lynch them. And I personally don't feel like I can show that Ikidomari is scum right now. Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads. Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 10:36 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone else think that Ikidomari's post is towny?
I just have a hard time seeing mafia being that baffled, or that uninformed. Or, presuming that nooniansoong is town, that skeptical (since they did actually roleblock nooniansoong). And that doesn't feel like the reaction of mafia who just caught the doctor who outed for no gain.
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On February 02 2016 07:15 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote:##vote trfel
I would also vote scott. BTW thank you shape. I was really getting mad about you newbs not listening to me but you've put a shiny silver lining onto this game Are you brainstorming yet about my possible new Caption?
oh yes.
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i almost want to lose now.
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Shape we don't need to know about you getting off
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On February 02 2016 09:04 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 07:11 nooniansoong wrote:##vote trfel
I would also vote scott. BTW thank you shape. I was really getting mad about you newbs not listening to me but you've put a shiny silver lining onto this game Do you really think Trfel bussed?
Yes. if you believe in a scott/ikido/trfel scumteam, he had to bus because all the possible lynches were scum.
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Scott don't do VCA because that is usually not very alignment indicative.
Read through filters and try to find scum.
(so everyone else can see how scummy you are)
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@scott why does that post from tumblewood questioning PMT mean anything...
Seems like a valid question to me.
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On February 02 2016 09:42 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 09:36 nooniansoong wrote:
@scott why does that post from tumblewood questioning PMT mean anything...
Seems like a valid question to me. It's having five scumleans and says he's going to filter dive and then only comes up with that, was my point - ie "Hey look I filter dived" and then be done with it. It wasn't the question per-se. Do you see what I mean now?
So your issue was he didn't have anything else to say about the filter dive? or that he filter dived at all?
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On February 02 2016 10:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 05:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Kush.
Why are you so sure Tumblewood is town?
Please explain in detail. Kush answer this for us please.
because i'm sure you guys are scum
:p
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