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AlotSomuch On January 16 2016 01:21 AlotSomuch wrote: After looking at it again sober, Rayn is town. I see no rayn-flaw in his rayn-logic. Yet all the same, I'm starting to think Holeyflair is still probably town, specifically the karmic counterpart to Marvellin of last round. Kind of holding the game hostage and not wanting to play because he expected to be killed early and doesn't want to go an extra 24 hours into a game he signed up for. SHAME. SHAME. Also, I think Edumb1892 actually quit? He hasn't been back since his single "/out" post. Right now I can see sixlover and trifle as scum here. Sixlover's pointless posting to appear relevant without saying anything in a way that offends me more than others. Trifle's gross post. maybe throw Getripped in there too, though he could just be wrong on Rayn. But that is initial scum team prediction. Of those I dislike Trifle's post the most, so current vote goes on Trifle. ##VOTE TRIFLE Dislikes the post and considers it horrible (as do most in the thread at that point?), but never brings up any reason why. On January 17 2016 01:49 AlotSomuch wrote: Caught up; I assume a smurf is a secondary account for an existing player? I'm less confident on my trifle read right now, as the rest of his play today has been more on point and town. And I actually like his case on HoleyFlair. Still feel he is a good secondary wagon for right now, especially with no vote changer roles. Anyone feel like telling me about Palmira's town/scum tells? And has Cephire even posted? 1. Feels less confident about Trfel, yet doesn't point out specific reasons why. (Saying play is more town / more scum means nothing if you don't clarify what exactly are the things that make you feel that way.) 2. Regardless of #1, wants to keep Trfel as a 2ndary wagon? 3. Doesn't point out any specifics about what he agrees with about the Holyflare case. On January 17 2016 02:01 AlotSomuch wrote: Had to go all the way back to the beginning to find which case you were specifically talking about (back to page 6). I agree with your point on his post, and it is part of the reason I voted and am still voting him. It's a suspicious post. I'm saying he's made some better posts throughout the day. I'm still suspicious, which is why I haven't unvoted and want to keep him as the secondary wagon, but I'm also getting more suspicious of Holeyflair. Votes currently stand at 3 votes on Holey, 2 votes on trifle. I'm ok with that right now, and I'm kind of expecting you to switch to Trifle if you feel he is the more likely scum right before EOD. Agrees with the point rayn made, and considers it enough of a reason to keep voting Trfel, then mentions how he's been looking better than Holyflare. Talks about how Holy has the majority of votes and expects rayn to swap target to Trfel if he ends up seeming more scummy? Why not swap his on vote on holyflare that he considers more scummy and pressure him further, rather than constantly keep two viable lynch options that both take turns being scummier than the other? Mind you, he still hasn't presented any logical reasoning (only that he agrees/disagrees with points previously made, or feels more/less towny/scummy about a person, never anything specific). On January 17 2016 02:20 AlotSomuch wrote: No, those were mostly it. He presented a viable alternate candidate and made some good points on him. VISCERAEYES, looking back, you voted Trifle but never actually put it in the voting thread. Are you still feeling he is the best candidate, and if so are you going to be putting your vote back there? Gauging interest / encouraging to vote for Trfel, while just mentioning he considers Trfel's case on Holyflare good enough to support? On January 17 2016 02:35 AlotSomuch wrote: I think Trifle is the more likely mafia of the two, but Holeyflair is definitely a possible mafia. If holeyflair gets lynched and flips mafia, I'll probably back off of Trifle. Suddenly back to thinking Trfel is the more likely mafia, why would he ever take the case on Holyflare made by Trfel seriously if he considers Trfel mafia? No specific reasoning and never anything of substance regarding any other player in the game, while having been around and posted a decent bit. He also isn't really committing trying to lynch either player (not that it looks like it's necessary right now?), and gives me off a vibe that is more about wanting to convey a feeling of "I've been sharing my opinion and participated", rather than "I'm trying to lynch my mafia read." Thus; ##Vote: AlotSomuch | ||
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Cause why deal with specifics if you don't have to, right? If you are town, you should know much better than nodding or shaking your head. Opinions aren't going to get anyone lynched, you have to provide actual reasons and own thoughts+points on stuff. I'll keep pushing you for lynch as is. Admit what I pointed out and explain me how it doesn't make you mafia, or prove me wrong if you want me to take you seriously. | ||
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If your #1 scumread makes a case on someone, who the hell reacts to that by saying the case is good and has valid points, making that #1 scumread less scummy and the case they made the person on more scummy, and still somehow keeping the #1 scumread as #1? Someone explain me how you wrapped your heads around that logic? Because I sure as hell don't see why a townie would ever react that way. | ||
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On January 17 2016 07:34 AlotSomuch wrote: This is DAY 1. I don't know you people. I think Trifle is probably mafia, and I vote him. He starts making some good points. Not good enough to cover up the bad stuff I already find him suspicious for, but just because I'm suspicious of someone does not mean they can't make good cases. I leave my vote where it is, and admit that if Holey DOES get lynched, and he DOES flip mafia, then I'm probably wrong about Trifle and won't go after him day 2. I say that because at the time it looks more likely holey will get lynched instead of trifle. What exactly is so difficult to understand about this? So what you're saying is... you think Trfel is the likeliest mafia. Then he spouts out a decent case which you agree with to some extent. My line of thought is this: 1) Why would you give a shit about what mafia thinks unless you think you can associate their fake case into finding more mafia, or alternatively confirming someone as town? 2) If you're not confident enough that they're mafia and willing to admit the case has good points that you agree with and would push, why do you keep thinking of them as your #1 mafia read? 3) Since you're clearly unsure if Trfel is mafia or not, why aren't you trying to push the issue more strongly / question him further to ensure your read on him? It really doesn't look like a town trying to get his scumread lynched, especially with the way you're keeping your options open. A townie shouldn't think about keeping options open, but to find the mafia and get that player killed. With the amount of pushing for someone you've been doing on your own accord, and the wishy-washyness regarding actually being fine with either of the current top-2 lynch targets, I don't see that sincerely coming from town. You're not willing to commit to your read the way a townie should be doing, thus I'm very certain you're scum. | ||
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I can see how his cases aren't exactly the most rock solid ones, but am I missing something really obvious? Other than him being somewhat wishywashy, I can't find any ill intent as in intentionally trying to make a player look off worse than what they are. There's a difference between cases not being perfect and cases manipulated with bad intentions, and I honestly don't see the latter when I look at Trfel's play. It doesn't feel coming from mafia at all, being very co-operative, not shitting the thread up while posting a lot (he seems to be trying to create useful discussion or progress the thread in most posts of his?). So why is he one of the main lynch targets w/ 3 votes? Going to wait for the NM case(s), and would like to hear more opinions about my case/push on Alot. I still think what I said makes sense, and feel it'd be pretty unnatural for a townie to act as such. Do people really think he has been trying to make things happen instead of contently doing enough to give the impression he's participating? | ||
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Hang AlotSomuch. I will even provide you a links to my posts so you can read why: Case Repeating a main point Conclusion | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:58 Holyflare wrote: I think a lot so much is mafia. This is actually a really strong read. Then vote for him instead..? | ||
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