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Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 16 2016 23:51 GMT

#461

##unvote
##vote palmar

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 16 2016 23:52 GMT

#462

On January 17 2016 08:46 Ace wrote:

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On January 17 2016 08:44 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:
@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia

I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect.

I'm not, and when I flip town, where will you go after that?

Also IIRC Palmar's meta is finding mafia day 1 or being scum for not progressing the game. If you maintain he's town for meta reasons and he's policy lynching HF over a scum read (you) and you're town, why would you be townreading him?

Or if your understanding of his meta is different from mine, then what is it?

I don't know. I'm starting to remember some things that make me less sure that you are mafia, though, so I really need to look into that more.

My perception of Palmar's meta is that as mafia he is serious and as town he is not. Basically just that, but relative to Palmar's play. That's why he was mafia in Outlaw Mafia (to me, anyway), because overall he was serious and actually playing the game as it's intended to be played.

To answer your previous question, I did read the thread (if a bit quickly, there's some time pressure...), and I read your posts. And I still think that you are mafia, though I'm double-checking that read. Yes, I found several things about your more recent posts suspicious, but I don't share every suspicious thing that I see unless I feel that there is a point to it.

Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another.

DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage.

And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview.

the fuck? clarify

Sure. I just asked him a question where does he go after I flip.

I'm town, so if I get lynched, it's a mislynch.

In the event I'm wrong on him and he's town ("one way or another") he comes under suspicion for pushing the mislynch, and in a way that is quite similar to Fullmetal (those who recognise the game will understand what I mean). If I'm wrong on him and he's town, any information he gives regarding other people might help me or others figure out his alignment. If he's mafia, then any answer he gives (or non-answer) may help others find partner(s) etc.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 16 2016 23:52 GMT

#463

Hmmmm....If it were anyone but Holyflare I'd probably let that slide.

Holyflare you're going to have to give me a really fast really compelling reason to let you live after that.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 16 2016 23:53 GMT

#464

On January 17 2016 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hmmmm....If it were anyone but Holyflare I'd probably let that slide.

Holyflare you're going to have to give me a really fast really compelling reason to let you live after that.

Please explain why Holyflare's vote switch is scummy?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 16 2016 23:54 GMT

#465

Because I'm modconfirmed town and rayn knows it and there's no way I'd go this long not giving a shit as the person who never wants to lose as mafia?

Thing is I've actually been here this entire time trying to get rayn to explain his bull shit read on me.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 16 2016 23:54 GMT

#466

Oh shit, he doesn't care.

See that's what fucking sucks in games with people who don't fucking care. He could be town and doing this to lynch what he thinks is mafia to win, but if he looks scumym for it who the fuck cares he doesn't want to play anyway. Or he could be doing it TO look scummy SO people vote for him AS TOWN.

-.-

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 16 2016 23:55 GMT

#467

And also I want to see if palmar is mafia because then a post i saw quoted from that vendettastrada guy basically confirms him mafia with palmar.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 16 2016 23:55 GMT

#468

On January 17 2016 08:53 Trfel wrote:

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Please explain why Holyflare's vote switch is scummy?

Was he not voting for himself? I thought that was allowed these days.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 16 2016 23:55 GMT

#469

but they are both town.

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 16 2016 23:56 GMT

#470

On January 17 2016 08:55 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Was he not voting for himself? I thought that was allowed these days.

He was voting for raynpelikoneet.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 16 2016 23:56 GMT

#471

On January 17 2016 08:47 Trfel wrote:

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On January 17 2016 08:44 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:34 Trfel wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:29 NocturneMage wrote:

On January 17 2016 08:20 Trfel wrote:
@NocturneMage, I am ignoring geript and Palmar (and AlotSomuch) because I am not sure about them, and because you are mafia

I felt that Palmar is town for meta reasons, but I should probably look again at Assassination Mafia, my meta could be incorrect.

Here's the thing, the reason I'm asking you this is accountability. You're driving a mislynch one way or another.

DYH I can't tell at the moment if he's town having a bad read on me because he's just not been in this game or if he's mafia trying to get the easiest ML he can manage.

And Trfel if you are town, then I think you're not entirely accurate on the Palmar meta. He trolled the shit out of people in Outlaw, and in Down Under 3 from obsing I recall him being more serious yelling at people who didn't follow him. It's a faulty reason to town him in your worldview.

Um, my read is entirely correct.

Palmar didn't troll at all in Outlaw Mafia (at least not in the first three days, pretty sure he didn't after that, either). At least, not relative to Palmar, anyway.

An example of Palmar trolling is shown in Down Under 2, where Palmar was talking to two or three other Palmars. Another example of Palmar trolling is shown in Linux Mafia, where he mocked the recently released movie "The Interview" by drawing attention to himself without furthering the game in any way. It's not something I can explain, you'd have to read it to believe it.

Alright, so you have your basis for that meta, fine. This doesn't make you mafia.

I can shennanie onto Palmar or geript if we aren't getting the majority on Trfel.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 16 2016 23:56 GMT

#472

Then it's not so bad I guess. I assumed he was voting for himself because he didn't want to play.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 16 2016 23:57 GMT

#473

Everyone who is town on Palmar you guys are lynching a townie right now.

##unvote
##vote trfel

Trfel

7015 Posts

January 16 2016 23:58 GMT

#474

Is there a reason that Palmar is town other than I voted for him?

DoYouHas

United States1140 Posts

January 16 2016 23:58 GMT

#475

On January 17 2016 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town on Palmar you guys are lynching a townie right now.

##unvote
##vote trfel

You are lynching town.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

January 16 2016 23:58 GMT

#476

I think a lot so much is mafia.

This is actually a really strong read.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

January 16 2016 23:58 GMT

#477

On January 17 2016 08:54 Holyflare wrote:

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I tuned out you and rayn a long ass time ago. Your whole argument is retarded and I don't care what happened or who is right or wrong or retarded. I'm under the impression that you don't give a shit and don't care about this game. IF you're going to try, even though you didn't want to play, then I won't vote for you.

I don't know anything about you being modconfirmed town, but I'll kill you myself if you don't give a shit about the game and aren't going to help us find mafia regardless of your alignment.