EPTa) Actually calling me mafia
or
b) providing an alternative that's useful himself.
And if you're so sure everything I'm doing is dumb and you're awesome ceph, just pick the goddamn role I assigned to you and go be awesome!
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a) Actually calling me mafia or b) providing an alternative that's useful himself. And if you're so sure everything I'm doing is dumb and you're awesome ceph, just pick the goddamn role I assigned to you and go be awesome! | ||
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They're just being assholes for the sake of being assholes. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:15 Koshi wrote: There are a shitton great mafia roles that Palmar "forgot" to mention. I don't understand how mafia will not pick them. This is what the "check/ffa" players are for. If you think someone above you is likely to be mafia, then you pick the role assigned to him. If you actually get the role, then you know whoever was assigned to pick it didn't follow through on his pick. This is where you yell. "wtf did you pick bro, cause I picked your role and got it... what are you hiding??". | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:19 VayneAuthority wrote: well yea obviously you get autolynched if you pick something like janitor. But narukimi is very useful as a town role too, just especially powerful as scum. I would take it but I doubt a mafia before me doesnt take it. See, if I townread you (like I do sicklucker) I'd be okay with you taking it. But because I don't, I don't want you to take it. Shining could take it too imo. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:20 Koshi wrote: But you didn't assign the pro mafia roles at all... Or did you tell all people at the bottom to pick pro mafia roles? I didn't read them tbh. no, that's the point. if you think for example rels is mafia, you pick captain malcolm. if you actually GET captain malcolm, you KNOW rels didn't pick it, and thus he must have picked something else. It's irrelevant what he picked really, the important part is he refused to take a strong town role for some reason. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:21 Koshi wrote: maybe. Problem is town might protect mafia and mafia only protects mafia. even that's okay for us. As town, we want the game to go as long as possible. Town controls the lynches, mafia controls the NKs. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:22 Koshi wrote: ah now I understand. But what about the mafias that are at the bottom? Sicklucker is our last line of defense. if copcake/gb are mafia we're just gonna have to figure it out the old fashioned way. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote: It doesn't really matter tbh. imo it is better to let people take pro mafia roles and then if they end up they are vanilla and should look for the people who took the role. Taking the good town roles due to paranoia just leads townies being vanilla and no real way to figure out who actually took the pro mafia role. If people follow my list it's easy as fuck to figure out who took pro mafia roles. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:23 Cephiro wrote: 1) Why are you wanting to give someone you suspect a veteran status? 2) Explain why you're not locking one of your scumreads into the City Councilman, and instead assigning it to a player who you don't have pegged as either way, and you talk coming from the perspective "at least this way if he's town he'll get killed"? 3) Doctor role to someone you're not sure of? 4) No counterpicks for roles like Hero or PSY? Address the above please. It's not that hard. Because I'm nice: 1) because almost every town kill is going to be a lynch. I'm giving him an investigative role to use wisely... hopefully. 2) This is a decent point, but Onegu is actually likely to be mafia. I want him to take this role because he is one of the most unreadable player in the game. 3) Doctor is a relatively weak almost only pro-town role. Notice flowey (if I understood it) is also a doctor-like role and so is the JK, I gave all of those to possible mafia because better they have protections than kp. The point is, I want to lynch a lot of mafia. 4) I think town is better off without those roles in the game. We have ffa/check players, the kitaman role, and Ezeio to deal with mafia taking strong mafia roles. IF people follow my plan, it will be easy to spot the mafia who took a strong mafia role. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote: If you townread me I would instantly call you mafia as the game hasn't even started yet. Noted that I should yell in caps more and be extremely passive aggressive to get townread by you though Mostly just be active tbh My current reads are the best I can do with the information I have. I might be fucking wrong on everything, but at least I'm trying. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:29 Cephiro wrote: Also Palmar, if I just straight up call you scum nonstop, what do you think will happen? I'll tell you what. You will refuse to address me even more than you already do, with the excuse of "Lol ceph thinks I'm scum so he is confirmed mafia". So suck it up and start proving you're town. I won't mind drafting KP to kill you otherwise. I don't know how to deal with this. I really, really want you to be mafia because I don't want there to be a world where someone acts like this and is town. I'm getting mad. Back to ignore. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:35 Cephiro wrote: Alright, I admit I like your stance/approach to killing mafia players via lynching. I suppose vet/doc roles on mafia isn't going to help them much (except from crossfire from other mafia) if the town hasn't drafted much KP either. And I suppose if I go for dreamflower it sort of works in favour of that as well, given that if my shot doesn't go off and I live, we can be certain that a protective role is in mafia hands. I guess I could really go for dreamflower, the only downside I can see is if I play badly it's less scum dead, +1 townie dead and I won't be around to help town lategame. Would prefer a less gambly-role but I guess I might have to just nail scum on D1 then. Still thinking about whether to go for it or not. If I don't, what other role would you prefer for me to take? None, but I promise I'll do my best to help you shoot mafia. I think, by now, you taking dreamflower is the only way we can be friends again. And I'd actually like to be friends. It will make it pleasant to work with you because I know your own life is on the hook. | ||
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On January 21 2016 05:53 Cephiro wrote: If I take dreamflower, if you want to have any control over my shot, I want to add a fail-safe for you as well. Basically, if you point me towards a townie you agree to get shot/lynched in return. (I believe if we two co-operate and you're truly town as well, we should easily be hitting mafia so this should not be an issue for you.) So will you prefer for me to take the shots deciding them by myself completely, or be willing to shoot a target of your choice with your life on the line as well? Fine | ||
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The reason is quite simple. If we assign everyone roles, mafia can just freely pick a role that wasn't assigned to them. The entire point of having ffa/check players is for them to take roles that SHOULD have been taken before them to PROVE the players before them actually took the roles they were meant to take. It's a failsafe. If we have no failssafes, mafia can just pick whatever the fuck they want. Essentially, my plan is pointless. I basically can't be arsed arguing this, I am out of energy trying to get people to be not stupid. Kita is very likely mafia because he's not dumb enough to think his version is an actual improvement. | ||
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Also kita is mafia because I said so ))))))))))) | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Unless mafia is already given roles that are really good, in which case they have no reason to hide/mess around with roles anyway because duh. How on earth did Damdred get Nigella? I didn't give it to him, he just decided not to follow my plan and everyone is fine with it. So I'm done arguing for it. He should be picking a role that has already been picked to confirm it's existence. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:09 Superbia wrote: Why are we giving shining a KP role..? Because I trust him more than other people. He'll shoot whoever I tell him to. | ||
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On January 21 2016 08:11 Superbia wrote: Really? I have no real read on him. Don't recall anything from him. But if he listens then he listens I suppose. He had a thing with someone, sicklucker I think it was, today, and he sort of maybe sounded townie. Like it's not like reads based on numberpicking and such are super strong, but I'll work with what I've got. | ||
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