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On January 20 2016 22:39 Vivax wrote: Rels is probably the towniest fucker in here right now. Palmar pretends to care but all he wants is just to skate by as the mafia eminence and let others do the work for him, while trying to lynch me. He is also a real sucker for kita's argument against me which was an argument a player like kita wouldn't bring as town, since I assume he knows me well enough. And on top of it the argument was bad, I don't even know what kita's argument is against you man. There is a very clear reason in my own filter why I think you're mafia. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:04 Koshi wrote: Just to be clear. which role can I pick? which role can't I pick? Or can I just do w.e? I'll sit down later tonight and figure it out. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:08 Rels wrote: Why did you force the "capslock episode" forced ? he's not wrong you were a little bit overexcited. But then again, maybe you simply were really excited  | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: It's a tracker who can also do investigative checks or protects while tracking. It's a very strong town role. If I frame, I simply tell everyone that I'm framing and they reverse their results. Well you wouldn't frame, ever, would you anyway? | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:22 Rels wrote: Wait you townread me because I was excited, but now you're saying that disfo is right saying I was overexcited. Explain ? You were super excited and I decided to give you a townread for it. That doesn't mean I'd blame anyone who might think that high amount of excitement might be fake. The point is, I don't think disformation is being scummy with that conclusion. I can understnad why he'd make it. | ||
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On January 20 2016 23:17 Vivax wrote: What should I bring to the table besides that the claiming plan was stupid? In that phase there's literally nothing interesting besides people arguing about the picks. I love these type of arguments where someone is mafia cause he did something that in his opinion was more than sufficient at that stage, and then you sayy they're mafia cause they didn't bring anything else without going into specifics. People arguing about picks can be very enlightening, and you're not exactly the type of person who shies away from giving early reads, at least not in my mind. Your second sentence is actually kind of scummy. Are you saying I'm scummy for making an argument like this? Do you think I'm unjustified in thinking you should bring something more to the table than "all discussion is pointless, let's just not talk about anything"?? what's going on? | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:57 Keirathi wrote: If superbia is taking cpr doc, then I'm going to random between one of Moriarty, Link, and House. No, you're going to tell us which one you take. | ||
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On January 21 2016 01:58 Palmar wrote: No, you're going to tell us which one you take. Like I want everyone to understand how terrible it'd be for town if he doesn't tell us because that means townies will be guessing and risking not getting the thing. Keirathi is 100% mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2016 02:24 Keirathi wrote: Holy shitballs get your panties out of a wad. I didn't say I wasn't going to say what role I was taking, I just said I would random between them. well I have lost all faith in you and I don't believe you. You're a smart guy, it doesn't take you fucking ages to figure out how to random between 3 things. So why did you even make that post? You could've simply randomed and given us the results. You're bullshitting. I don't care what you pick now tbh, I am lynching you. | ||
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Palmar's Grand Plan How to win a game of PYP Chapter 1: Expectations It's a very common theme in PYP games that you have a small faction of people who want to try to break the game. These people are in general very, very likely to be town. There is a massive advantage in playing organized town in PYP, because you can limit mafia's options to do things by controlling the pick order and the roles actually picked. Almost exclusively mafia will trey to disrupt this process, not because they're dumb and think people won't notice, but because there is an inherent reflex when you play mafia to start arguing for no real reason. You want to appear confident and perhaps even slightly controversial. Mafia will disrupt my plans, not because they think that's good for their team, although of course it is, but mostly because they think "that's what a good townie would do". When in reality I'd actually expect most townies to sort of mind their own business or sheep when someone like me attempts to take charge. Another important thing to notice is that mafia is extremely likely to have low post count during the picking and planning phase because it's relatively hard to fake interest in that. Mafia is much more strategizing their own picks instead of actually playing to win the game. Remember this in later days. It's not a global truth, but use it as a little piece of the puzzle. Chapter 2: The Picks list Keirathi: I have strong suspicion he is mafia. I do not believe he is posting posts because he wants some information out there, he's just posting to post. I think there is very little information in his filter. I do not believe his post about randoming between 3 roles is genuine and I don't believe his response to my accusation is good. I also don't believe his excuse that "I'm playing a PYP game so I'll pick whatever I please" to not follow along with town plans is any good. In fact, he could have taken the much better route of "hey Palmar, I'll follow along, but I'd really liek to play one of these, is that ok?". No he's forcing confrontation and being a stubborn asshole. If he wants to play along, I want him to take the Gambler. In any case, he is going to have a strong role and should be an early lynch target. Superbia: His enthusiasm in the early game, along with his willingness to randomly attack me and then flip that read when I started playing more makes him relatively likely to be town. I think it's important that he controls a strong role that I don't trust other people with. I will suggest that Superbia takes the CPR Doc. OWS: I haven't had a chance to review his filter. I don't think he stood as being super scummy, but meh. I think he's a good candidate to take House Rels: I feel better about him almost solely on interest. He also thought he broke the game and while it's possible that he faked it, the simple solution, along with his realtive activity makes it more likely he's town. Due to the fact that Rels is a good player, I want him to take Captain Malcolm Palmar: In my frenzy to think about other people's roles, I basically never figured out what I wanted to play myself. I actually wanted a veteran role because I suppose I'll be a fairly popular target, but looks like there's no straight up pure veteran with no downsides. So I guess I'll just take a strong role I don't want in the hands of mafia, also the list is something that helps very much with my style of scumhunting. I am taking Arrow geript: My townread has weakened somewhat but you know... I don't really care. I'm going to trust my early instincts on him so I'm giving him a fairly strong role. Link Please make sure you use the roleblock everything on n2 geript. Breshke: Haven't rechecked his filter. I want him as some kind of a information role with little upside for mafia. Sherlock Holmes Koshi: I didn't think he sounded like mafia at the beginning of the game, but this act of not caring about the game has gone on for too long now. That being said, he's a crazy person so who knows. Koshi gets a free for all. He can pick whatever role above him that has already been picked to prove it doesn't exist. He is also free to use his own judgement to pick a good role, but if he does that he must claim it. Cephiro: Scum, for reasons stated earlier. I'm giving him a chance to redeem himself though. Dreamflower. That way you'll never get lynched. The reason I'm giving him (vs other possible mafia) this chance of redemption is that the guy has at least been willing to respond and engage (unlike for example vivax). This makes it more likely I'm wrong on him, althouhg everything he has said sounded like mafia. Kitaman27: There is a slight inconsistency in his early analytical post on the roles and his lack of interest in organizing town after that. This may point towards him being mafia. However, he's also a smart good player, so he's basically getting a free for all like koshi. Like Koshi, neither of them are allowed to take a mafia role to deny mafia the role. Vivax: Scum, and has shown no interest in working with town. If he wants to work with town he will pick the Jailkeeper. that's about the only role I trust him with. Also it's ironic since he fakeclaimed one in the last game. Ticktock: I haven't reviewed his filter. I would like for him to pick an investigative role, preferably Moriarty Disformation: Another filter I haven't reviewed. I remember thinking something might possibly be off about him. I want him to pick the Doctor Fecalfeast: Not a strong read in any way, but I actually liked his posting better than a lot of the other people that have been relatively inactive. I want him to take Dr Watson. Damdred: Free for all as long as it's not a mafia role. Damdy is smart and analytical but he has been thoroughly underwhelming this game. I only want him taking protective and investigative roles. If I find out he has a KP role I'm lynching him. AlotsoMuch: No idea, and I know him less than everyone else in the game. I would love for him to take Kitaman27 because it's purely an information role and has no upside for mafia. VayneAuthority: Another filter I haven't looked through. He's always lynchbait though so. I think it'd be fine to give him Ayla because it's not too strong a disrupting role and if he turns out to be town he's likely to live for a while so the utility of the role might fit him well. Shining: I actually kinda lean town on shining after his exchanges today. Mostly a tone read though so don't put too much faith in it. I am going to give him Time travelling vigilante as long as he agrees to shoot with town sentiment. Onegu: Perpetually unreadable player who mafia will never shoot if he's town, but I have a solution to that. Onegu will be picking City Councilman and we will be holding elections on day 1. Obviously I will be chosen mayor and voila, Onegu is now useful! Sicklucker: Our secret weapon. COMPLETE AND UTTER FFA. Sicklucker is allowed to pick any role, including very mafia favored roles if he feels like it to check if they're in the game and to check if people above him followed the plan. He is also allowed to grab a KP role if he feels like it. A good suggestion for a role for him is the knight artorias thing which is a very strong mafia role. copcake: Didn't sound to bad, but I haven't reviewed her filter. If copcake feels like it I'd be okay with her taking Ezio to strip random mafia of their power if she figures out their alignment. Also good to know if Ezio got taken. Glowingbear I don't believe he forgets about games so I think he's mafia. If he wants to play nice then Flowey is a sweet and simple role that can't be abused oto much Chapter 3: Words of warning There is no way everyone is going along with this list. I have tried to include some free for alls and checks to people can be held accountable, but that doesn't really change that there's always going to be lone assholes who care more about their own butt than trying to win the game. If the roles that I laid out in this post are the ones that exist in the game, town is clearly in a good position with a lot of protective and investigative roles instead of a bunch of KP to murder us all. Also, my reads are based on a realtively inactive "day 0" where we weren't even trying to lynch people. It's completely possible that I'm wrong and bad all over the place. I will of course revise my reads throughout the game. I am open to suggestions and changes to the list. If you have been assigned a role you do not want, please don't make a big deal out of it. Even if people are town and I give them a weaker role due to mistrust, it's not because I'm an asshole, it's because I'm not perfect at reading people. Just accept it and move on. The plan does give town a good chance of winning the game due to the nature of roles that it introduces to the game. I generally gave veteran players more freedom because their actions are easier to analyze. Sorry to the people I know less well and thus was more strict. Maybe next PYP  Please, if you even think for a second that I might be town, consider following the guidance laid out in this post. Good luck. | ||
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