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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote: Any reason in particular? It's pretty much a tailor made role for my town play. Not exactly town vibes from your post Hero is a fucking awful town role. Saving yourself to the detriment of losing a whole night worth of actions is a really, really bad tradeoff. Really good for mafia, though. | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 10:35 kitaman27 wrote: Doesn't mafia just grab hero and not claim it though? Yea, probably. I wasn't saying VA was mafia for grabbing Hero, but he seemed to think that it's some good town role and it's definitely not. | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 10:38 CopCake wrote: Forever ignored lol. Why don't you talk about something yourself then? You're a big girl, you know how to comment on things  | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 10:44 CopCake wrote: Ok To me, TO ME, Keirathi looked pretty town yesterday with one simple action he did: He said that maybe and is pretty likely that both myself and GB weren't able to pick so someone else blocked whoever wanted 12 or something like that. Soooooo today I read Keirathi is mafia and then GB is mafia... So how do you like connect this two? Is the same person who said GB is mafia before is saying keirathi is mafia now? Or is it just GB disdain what makes himself mafia and other reasons I dont understand makes Keirathi mafia? For one thing, there are two different mafia teams. So even if GB and I both WERE mafia, we wouldn't necessarily be mafia on the same team. For another thing, I'm not exactly sure how me clarifying how the draft picks worked out means I can't be mafia with GB? Can you explain that one? And lastly, I dont think anyone was calling us mafia together anyways. Pretty much kita and Palmar are the only people that called me mafia that I can remember, and the reasons had nothing to do with GB or anything. I think I'm missing your point? | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 10:46 VayneAuthority wrote: huh? It doesnt affect night actions at all. I just choose the lynch instead of a mislynch. It's a very town role, for me anyway since its likely i might be lynched Oh, I read it wrong. I thought if you got saved from a lynch, then the day was just a no-lynch. But I still think it's a very bad town role. In a game of mafia, town controls the lynch, mafia controls the night. By picking hero, you put the lynch into one person's hands instead of the town collective's hands. That's bad for town in general. In the best case where you use the venge-lynch to kill a scum, that STILL doesn't make you town (since there are two scum teams), so we still have to waste another day lynching you, or one of our few KP on you. In the worst case, you venge-lynch a townie and then all the same other stuff applies. It's a lose/(2*lose) situation for town. | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 08:25 The Shining wrote: Outside of kita and Ceph(your interaction with him gave me town v town vibes), this actually doesn't look bad. Why kita? I know you had some disagreement over the role assignments but he's arguably doing the most work with it besides you. Yo Shining. Literally the only person you've mentioned having a scumread on up until this point was SL. Everything else was just setup speculation stuff. Now 7 out of those 9 people are are in your scum reads list from out of nowhere. Give some reasoning? | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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You're not giving us anything to work with here :\ | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: The SL read was based heavily on me being annoyed and upset at him suggesting me as a plynch when he knows from past games that I have little to no activity on Monday Tuesday, plus calling me useless when I'm far from the worst town player on TL. I also have a 95% town roll rate so plynching me at any point is going to flip me town 9.5 out of 10 times. But I admit that it was a bit omgus and decided to leave it at that for now. Since then, he's made a few posts about wanting town to work together and there's a slight town feel from some of them so I'm off of him. As for sheeping Palmars list, I just said it didn't look bad outside of kita and ceph because none of the people on that list scream town to me. And I don't necessarily believe the list in that order, either. Fair enough. On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: You - no one bumped you from 1,1 which I expected scum would do if you're a good town player unless you're actually scum. And although I liked your catch on Palmar re: agreeing with Damdreds list that had you as top town, I found it weird that you scummed Damdred afterwards. Like if he's scum, why would Palmar agreeing with his list matter unless they're scum together? Even if I'm scum, the other scum team wouldn't know that. So why wouldn't they try to bump me off of [1,1]? And if I'm town (and a good town, at that), then if someone does bump me off of first pick, then they would have to put up with extra scrutiny from me, yes? I mean, the draft order is public and everyone was claiming their numbers. It would be trivial to figure out who bumped me down. The point of the Palmar thing didn't have anything to do with Damdred at all. It had everything to do with how Palmar's read suddenly changed because I got [1,1] and THEN he decided to read my filter and decide I was scum. He could have done that before the draft phase ended and countered my [1,1] pick but didn't. And anyways, they could be on different teams. Or I could be wrong. Or whatever. I'm not sure how disliking Damdred in general is a conflict with not liking Palmars read switch? On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: Disfo - this is probably the weakest one but checking his filter the first half were just pregame questions and the second half was a ton of setup talk. He has more than one post saying he's catching up and asking for direction(any hot topics to discuss?) The things I did like from him was his willingness to discuss and claim his role and his wanting to cooperate. He also dropped a preliminary reads list which didn't look particularly scummy. I'm pretty waffly on this one. I can tell you why I have him down as tentative town. First, this post - On January 19 2016 09:30 disformation wrote: Does that mean you have the alignment of 2.2 ppl figured out or that you have found 0.8 scum?  That kind of jokey/lighthearted response just immediately 'feels' townie. Weak +town points. But the big thing is that a lot of his setup talk was about getting town protective/investigative roles. And he took Watson, which is a pretty pro-town role. On January 21 2016 12:39 The Shining wrote: TT - I didn't like his "I probably won't put much effort into this one" post because it just feels like a reason to afk or not care later. And the last time he did that, he got lynched as blue and said he wouldn't do it again so I'm not sure why he's choosing to do it here. I also didn't like his reasoning for blocking Disfo. I have them both as possible scum, but they could very well be different teams. He also had a change in tone from "I won't put much effort into this one" to "I'll probably be invested d1-d2." I don't see how that's townie. If he's mafia, would he actually come out and SAY he wasn't going to much effort in? [I don't know TT and haven't read any of his games. I dunno what his personality is like or anything] | ||
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Keirathi
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So if you're not mafia, who is? If you can't even come up with someone that is scummy, how do you expect people to think you're town? How to you expect to not get lynched? | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 14:21 The Shining wrote: For the next one, I'll have to go re-read Palmar and check how that happened but I will say if you're right, it looks kind of bad. But considering Palmar was 5th in pick order, and no one showed any intention of bumping him, it could make sense from either alignment that he wouldn't counter your 1,1 and drop himself lower down the list. And the conflict with the Damred read and Palmar's switch was that you scummed Damdred after making the Palmar point. I can't really explain it but mentioning Damdred and his list at that moment felt like you would've pointed out what you thought was scummy about Damdred right then, as well, if you were scumreading him instead of waiting until after and making a separate "lets talk about Damdred" post. To clarify, I don't particularly think Palmar is scum. There are a few things (like this one) that keep me from saying he's like 100% town or anything, but for now it's reasonably likely that he's town. If he's not, it should be easy enough to deduce later. | ||
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Keirathi
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If you're so sure that Palmar is scum (which seems like your strongest read except maybe Vivax?), why aren't you trying to convince people to vote for him? Or Vivax for that matter? Or anyone, really? | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 21 2016 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote: So we're clear, I'm still moriarty and everyone is ok with that? On January 21 2016 09:20 disformation wrote: It appears to be that Mr. Holmes judgment has been become clouded due to increased stress during the previous days. + Show Spoiler + Should I reveal my medical notes on Professor Moriarty as, well? On January 21 2016 09:25 Fecalfeast wrote: Aw but I wanna know if I'm crazy See, this is why claiming is important. Now we know that one of you is lying. | ||
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Keirathi
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Keirathi
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Yea yea, I read his first post wrong as him saying he got moriarty, not that he chose it but got osmething else. | ||
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Keirathi
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1) His super weird extremely strong townread on me. Don't get me wrong, in the last few games with him, he's been pretty good at reading me correctly as town. But he was super hard townreading me like 3 hours into the game. There are some pretty big differences between how I play as town vs scum, but they don't really have anything to do with the first 3 hours of the game. So, kinda reeks of too much knowledge. Small scum points. 2) I have a hard time believing that a town!geript can look at Rels/Breshke filters and think they're scum. Maybe I could get him not having townreads on them, but there's a lot of townie points in both of their filters. Small scum points until he comes back and explains more. 3) Weird "I'm picking CPR Doc and whoever picks it above me is getting autolynched" thing. Except instead of actually doing that, he decided to play along with Palmar's town plan (despite thinking Palmar is scum for basically the last 2 days)?? 4) His scum read on Palmar almost seems forced? Like, when I think of geript and think he really believes something, I think of him being stubborn and really trying to get people to listen to his reads etc. Combined witht eh fact that he just sheeped ontot he Palmar town plan, I dunno, it just doesn't feel like a very genuine read. | ||
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Keirathi
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On January 22 2016 05:44 kitaman27 wrote: Looking through Keir's filter these two posts seem pretty scummy. He is calling out a couple of players for not pushing their scum reads so I went back to see who Keir has actually pushed and really the only person he has brought up this game as a strong read is damdred. He gives a few generic sentences explaining that damdred hasn't said much and basically tells him to "step it up". He isn't trying to convince anyone himself why he should be lynched, yet goes after other people who are doing similar things. When I explain why I thought damdred could be town at that point, he essentially backs down and says he really isn't sure. I know it's only day one, but we've had like 60 hours to talk about stuff and his five page filter doesn't show hardly any scum hunting at all. Will probably look at Vivax and Alotsomuch next. The difference between you and me is that I don't have people that I'm so sure are scum. You had a lot of reasons that you thought Palmar as scum, except you've kind of just not bothered pushing him or trying to get other people to vote him? That doesn't sound like a kita that thinks he's really found a scum, tbh. | ||
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