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I hope rels has 3 charges left. Koshi, super and Palmar.
Would be impossible if this guy doesn't have 3 left though.
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Goddamn TickTock. Keep the dream alive.
Shooting myself to avoid getting tracked is brilliant.
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On January 29 2016 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
i cant be with ff and i cant be with onegu. I dont know how i am ever a lynch this game koshi
tmi? Why are fefe and Onegu in different teams?
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You are mafai with Onegu
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Everything points towards a sl + onegu mafia team.
Everything
The "slip" conversation, the hesitation, the not killing each other with roles, the not wanting to point out why the other one was scummy during the duel, etc etc etc.
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mafia teams. Pls kill sicklucker and rels.
ffs try to hit mafia for once.
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rels pls save me I love you.
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btw about tinfoils
there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.
And Rels is in the opposing team
That could explain why he fooled me as mafia.
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On January 28 2016 00:14 sicklucker wrote:
rels mafia chances just went way up by telling me to use it imo
this is btw one of the dumbest reads ever.
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On January 29 2016 12:38 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils
there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.
And Rels is in the opposing team
That could explain why he fooled me as mafia. I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid.
Sure, but people like sicklucker were pushing the idea that we should not lynch fefe to see if kita was scum. I really found that odd at the time.
That felt like 100% mafia agenda. I didn't know if it was to save fefe though. But it was superodd.
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On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. )
Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?
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On January 29 2016 12:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:30 Koshi wrote:
Everything points towards a sl + onegu mafia team.
Everything
The "slip" conversation, the hesitation, the not killing each other with roles, the not wanting to point out why the other one was scummy during the duel, etc etc etc. Eh, maybe? I will admit it's wierd that Onegu never tried to push SL as scum to save himself, like that was the only way he'd actually have a chance to survive. Why would SL put himself in that position though? He had talked about doing that duel before, and had also thrown out the idea of dueling me. Unless he somehow thought he'd lose a duel with me why wouldn't he do that instead of with a scummate?
Because he was pressured? Because he couldn't refuse it because he said around 500154 million times Onegu was mafia? It's sicklucker his only mafia read in his 25 pages of filter.
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On January 29 2016 12:45 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:40 Koshi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:38 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils
there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.
And Rels is in the opposing team
That could explain why he fooled me as mafia. I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid. Sure, but people like sicklucker were pushing the idea that we should not lynch fefe to see if kita was scum. I really found that odd at the time. That felt like 100% mafia agenda. I didn't know if it was to save fefe though. But it was superodd. Yea I agree it was odd. And it was odd how immediately after fefe flipped, SL started using it as a reason he was town. Doesn't change the fact that Kita wouldn't have outted his teammate for no reason, though.
probably. it was just tinfoil.
sl/onegu/fefe looks more likely.
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mafia teams shoot rels and sicklucker
town make sure I am protected.
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On January 29 2016 12:48 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:43 Koshi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:40 Tictock wrote:On January 29 2016 12:30 Koshi wrote:
Everything points towards a sl + onegu mafia team.
Everything
The "slip" conversation, the hesitation, the not killing each other with roles, the not wanting to point out why the other one was scummy during the duel, etc etc etc. Eh, maybe? I will admit it's wierd that Onegu never tried to push SL as scum to save himself, like that was the only way he'd actually have a chance to survive. Why would SL put himself in that position though? He had talked about doing that duel before, and had also thrown out the idea of dueling me. Unless he somehow thought he'd lose a duel with me why wouldn't he do that instead of with a scummate? Because he was pressured? Because he couldn't refuse it because he said around 500154 million times Onegu was mafia? It's sicklucker his only mafia read in his 25 pages of filter. Do you think SL would bus his team mate like that all game? Claim the check on his role? Constantly say the role is anti-town and needs to be delt with? And you think my tinfoil about keir being mafia with Onegu is impossible?
Yes clearly I think that. Hence me saying they are mafia together in around 20 posts already.
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kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo
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On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why? I do. I said why here: Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me.
Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.
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On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo
kita/vivax/gb/disfo
onegu/sl/fefe/copcake
Could also be true
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TT played so much scum lately I forgot if he is a good player.
He was a pain in the ass in the game we lost with the spirits.
In the next 2 games he wasn' a pain in the ass and was mafia.
This game he isn't a pain in the ass.
But still :/
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On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why? I do. I said why here: On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me. Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck. That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia. The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???
You think as mafia he would write something that insane?
That's why I am so hesitant.
It's so fucking insane to write down what he did.
I also think he has 2 really townie reads in there. Something only a townie would think.
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