EPTThat's totally impossible though. I was obviously working with Onegu.
Pick Your Power: Intriguing - Page 11
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
That's totally impossible though. I was obviously working with Onegu. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On January 30 2016 04:20 Koshi wrote: disfo, sl, tt and cc. They got to be the last mafia. Don't think GB was scum? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On January 26 2016 12:27 Keirathi wrote: There's very, very little chance Koshi is Mafia. 0.00001% 1) shooting Kita. 2) He was targeted with kp last night and onegu bussed it to geript 3) He didn't carry out kp himself last night. I tracked him visiting TT, which TT verified was a roleblock. There's very little chance Mafia!Koshi wouldn't have been one of the two taking the shot last night considering he was in pretty good standing townie wise, so therefor unlikely to be tracked. None of those singularly make Koshi town, but all together they almost certainly do. Even if you think I'm mafia, the only way I'm mafia because of my tracks is if I'm mafia with Onegu. if I'm mafia with Onegu, then it's literally impossible that I'm mafia with Koshi. So yea, Koshi isn't mafia. There are about a billion reasons why. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
1) Slip On January 27 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote: SL tried to say I'm definitly mafia because FF said me and Kita were a team, but then started to mix things and and said that Kita was the one who was saying I was on a team with FF. If he was scum I don't think he'd flip the names around like that kus he'd actually know who is on his team. You are pretty unlikely having cased Vivax and Kita early on, could still be that you are scum on the other team though. Like Koshi said scumhunting doesn't really confirm you town in this setup kus for all we know your only scumhunting for one team. His phrasing there implies TMI. 2) Weird read progression on Onegu On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote: Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi (+ Show Spoiler + Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town. D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him 15. The Shining (+ Show Spoiler + not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him 17. sicklucker (+ Show Spoiler + gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake (+ Show Spoiler + gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. 22. Palmar (+ Show Spoiler + Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 12. Superbia (+ Show Spoiler + Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different (his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler + I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then? Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof. Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation (+ Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR. Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk. At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. 3. Rels (+ Show Spoiler + I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things. Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for 4. Onegu (+ Show Spoiler + honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too. This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot" I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. On January 27 2016 14:11 Tictock wrote: Eh my misgiving's about Superbia are probably being influenced by OMGUS. Gunna yolo predict this game is Koshi, Palmar, Onegu, FF (kus that would be sweet plays by them) vs Kita, Vivax, Dis, Rels (kus that would mean my D1 reads were pretty decent) On January 27 2016 14:21 Tictock wrote: For now I'm gunna just assume this is god teir reads and vote Onegu to get rid of his role and keep the teams balanced. ##Vote: Onegu I already said what was wrong with this here, and here in that chain of quotes. 3) This post: On January 29 2016 13:02 Tictock wrote: Don't be salty that I was totally off about his teammates but still correctly lynched your scumbuddy. I had already said that stuff yesterday, and was just repeating it again having a conversation with koshi. Why didn't he have a problem with it THEN, but does NOW? And I obviously wasn't acting 'salty', so what was the point of jabbing at me like that? + Show Spoiler [SPECULATION AREA, STAY AWAY] + So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them. Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team. So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/?? I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night. Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On January 30 2016 06:12 Keirathi wrote: + Show Spoiler [SPECULATION AREA, STAY AWAY] + So, because of the slip and the way his reads on Kita/Vivax changed (he had Kita as scum all the way through draft phase and day 1, then mysteriously after koshi launched his nuke, Kita was in his town reads, for Vivax during day 1 he started calling Vivax scum a few times, but didn't vote for him until the wagon was basically unstoppable), I think it's fairly likely that he is on a team with them. Which leads me to believe FF and Onegu were on the other team. So: kita/vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/??/?? I think that probably puts disfo on the FF/Onegu team. Them having Watson and Moriarty would give them a good position to lie about any of FF's checks (by claiming FF was insane, whether he was or not. FF could just do whatever and always had an excuse to never have a useful result), and let disfo try to keep them alive at night. Still trying to work out who the last two would be. GB/Cake seem almost too easy. + Show Spoiler [MORE SPECULATION ZONE] + The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that disfo and FF were on the same team. It also explains why Breshke was shot night 1, so that they could just do whatever they want without him. So kita/Vivax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/disfo/?? Feel pretty good about that, so far. GB never mentioned Onegu a single time during the game. Granted he died before SL used his role on Onegu, but Onegu has been talked about all game and GB completely ignored him. Point 1 in favor of GB being the last mafia on that team. Also calls FF and disfo town. Probably the last scum in that group. Kita/VIvax/TT/?? vs FF/Onegu/Disfo/GB. Sounds okay to me. For the last one....I'm really just not sure. Shining's big post of reads still just gives me super town feels, and pretty much everyone in this list of scummers I've made was on it. Cake just...doens't really feel like scum!Cake from the game i played on vendetta-strada with her. Palmar and Koshi aren't scum. So that just leaves one of Superbia/SL. My gut says it would probably be SL. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Was a good game though, wp everyone. Thanks for hosting <3 | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
 Which was actually the main reason I decided on House, in the end. On the off chance that I would think Superbia was scum, House basically full counters that role. But I didn't think he was scum so I didn't use it that way And it probably would have gotten me lynched anyways, rofl. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 04 2016 09:21 Superbia wrote: That's why I KP you during n3 (or whatever it was). The day you track me is the day I get lynched. No, me tracking you wouldn't have said anything about your alignment. It would have just blocked your shot. Doesn't matter if your shot was from town or scum, I wouldn't have any way to know, or know who you shot. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 04 2016 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: Remember superbia had 2 kp, so if you targeted him and 2 shots were prevented, you would at least have learned that superbia visited 2 players that were hit by KP when he was only supposed to be able to visit 1. Might be a bit hard to work out, but I think later in the game it was something you could have deduced. Oh right. That was something that was emntioned in the obs thread, but the whole game I was under the assumption that I would only ever block at most 1 KP, even if my target actually dished out 2 KP. I guess I should have asked, specifically, but it seemed...stronger than I would have thought possible. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 04 2016 09:34 GreYMisT wrote: Its always fun when a heavily themed game literally goes down to the perfect wire. Team Cobra could have one the previous night had copcake shot right, and town were very close to winning. Hmm, how could Cobra have won? Superbia was already shooting Cake. Best Cake could have done was shoot Superbia back and town would have won, right? | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
edit: herp derp, Cephiro too. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
| ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I had an idea for a PYP: Random Draft kind of game too that I want to host at some point maybe if I ever work out all of the details. Basic idea is a closed setup with 20-30 available roles, and each person gets PM'd a list of 3 random roles to pick from. When they pick, that role is taken out of the pool and the next person is PM'd a list of 3 roles to pick from, etc etc. So everyone would have a 3 role pool of an idea to base how they expected all of the roles in the game to work. The biggest problem would just be that the role drafting phase would have the potential to take a long time if people aren't reasonably prompt on sending their choice in, since the next person can't go until I know what role to take out of the role pool | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 04 2016 10:06 GreYMisT wrote: Oh also, I would like player input on the following mechanics in the game First: we actually didn't use this, but I thought it might have been interesting to give each of the Mafia team 1 "ban" they could use to eliminate a role from the list, rendering it unable to be picked. This ban would have been annouced at the start of the pick phase. We opted not to include it becuase HtS was getting bad feelings about it, I didnt care enough to push for it, and it probably would have given the scum team too much power. Second: The mysterious challenger. The only way I would host a PyP was if it was not possible to get vanilla town. I had a number of options in the works, such has having a special role everyone would get instead of vanilla, or ordering the role list from best to "worst" and having the players get roles from the bottom up instead of vanilla. Ultimately we decided to create a handful of rather poor roles and have players who were supposed to get vanilla randomize between them, or even allow a player low on the pick order to decide to choose the mysterious challenger and have a bit more control over what he got. Ooh, I think bans could have been interesting. There were plenty of good roles to go around, so 2 out of the pool wouldn't have been a huge deal. I'm curious what each team would have banned, anyways I feel like if I had been on Cobra and knew that it wasn't likely that my team was going to have anyone near the top of the pick list, I would have banned CPR Doc, which would have meant Superbia didn't pick it, etc. So it doesn't necessarily just hurt town, especially with how many town-centric roles that scum ended up picking anyways.Mysterious challenger was A++. | ||
|
Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On February 04 2016 15:45 geript wrote: I will say Palmar really brought his A game. I'm still mad I couldn't kill anyone N1. I would've shot scum. Sowwy I thought you were trying to pocket me | ||
| ||
