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On January 29 2016 09:15 Superbia wrote:
I also want to discuss my plan.
I think rels saving both me and koshi is correct. With disfo overlapping on one of us.
TT should visit someone outside of myself or koshi to see if he can get a future roleblock (this is how it works, right?).
Koshi just madhats whoever the fuck he wants bc he shouldn't die.
I put KP on someone.
TT's role is a day action that activates with the night post.
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On January 29 2016 09:18 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 09:17 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 09:15 Superbia wrote:
I also want to discuss my plan.
I think rels saving both me and koshi is correct. With disfo overlapping on one of us.
TT should visit someone outside of myself or koshi to see if he can get a future roleblock (this is how it works, right?).
Koshi just madhats whoever the fuck he wants bc he shouldn't die.
I put KP on someone. TT's role is a day action that activates with the night post. He has the vanilla virus though, since GB kenpachi'd me last night and I visited TT.
I think you still have the virus? And whoever you target tonight, you will pass it on to.
At least that's what it sounds like to me from the OP. Wouldn't make much sense if it jumped 2 people each night.
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On January 29 2016 09:19 Superbia wrote:
Tbh I still have no fucking clue how the vanilla virus actually works or what it's supposed to do.
PlayerA is kenpachi and targets PlayerB at night. PlayerB is now roleblocked for the night and next day phase, and is the virus carrier. Whoever he targets on the second night will get roleblocked, and become the carrier for the next night. Etc etc
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I'm like 99% sure I'm right. At least that's what the OP implies: that it propagates forward one player per night.
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On January 29 2016 09:27 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to call your helpfulness scummy. How's that for rewarding good behaviour? :D
Rofl, it's fucking stupid but I don't really care. I know I'm going to die sooner or later. There's 0 reason to NOT help clarify roles, especially when you're trying to make a plan based around a (probably) false assumption.
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Actually reading it again, maybe you guys are right. I dunno. It's worded strangely.
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On January 29 2016 09:41 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to work a bit on my d&d campaign.
Keir, Disfo, Tictock, Copcake and The Shining, I want you guys to name the 3-4 scum you believe are left in this game. Give some reason but don't make it too long. Before EoN or you may get shot. TY.
There's very little chance I do anything tonight. I still feel awful.
If I feel better tomorrow I'll try to get something up befor EoN.
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On January 29 2016 09:49 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 08:52 Keirathi wrote:
Onegu: if I unvote you, you shoot me?
I think I have to die if town wants to win because I'm useless and if I stay alive it just gets way harder closer to lylo. This post doesn't add up, you are far from useless if you bother to play (which you sorta aren't, mostly making excuses). You have a solid role so you keep using it...
So let's play a game.
Onegu flipped scum. So, if we assume that I am scum, what was my goal with that post? Just to make myself look bad for no reason? To try to save Onegu's role?
If I was trying to save Onegu's role, that almost certainly means that I'm on his team. Would be silly otherwise. So, say I voted to SL and got the lynch to him instead of Onegu. Then Onegu uses his ability on a townie. Assuming SL is town, that would mean we would trade 2 mafia (me and onegu) for 2 town (SL + whoever Onegu shot). So, that would be beyond stupid, especially since it's pretty likely that the mafia teams both have 3 or fewer players left. Trading 2 of them for no gain is bad. Plus, I would be giving my role away for free. If we make the reasonably safe assumption that Superbia is town, then I basically hard counter his role. Like, 100% hard counter it. Why would I give that up for free with a stupid post?
I've realized something in my years of playing mafia. Sometimes a player just has to die. Even if they're town, the longer they stay alive, the harder it is for town to win the game. That person you don't want to have alive in LYLO because scum will never kill them, and at best they're a coinflip. At worst they're actively detrimental to town and will get lynched 99% of the time.
I'm that person this game. Through a lot of fault of my own, and a little fault of other people, I'm not invested in this game at all. I'm not going to stop posting or anything, I'll still TRY, but I don't think I have it in me shit townie rainbows and talk myself out a lynch. There are a few specific things I'm good at as town, and they just don't apply here and I can't get a handle on the game.
I thought Onegu was town, I was willing to die (under the wrong assumption that we could nolynch) to keep him alive longer.
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On January 29 2016 10:40 Tictock wrote:
@ Keir my problem with that post is that you are Marytying hard and have been on that track for quite some time.
I don't get why you would feel so helpless and useless as town when you haven't fully utilized your role and we have been lynching Mafia day after day.
That mindset makes much more sense if you are mafia and realize that you aren't going to be able to fool us easily and can't be bothered to play against that uphill battle.
Sure, if you say so.
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On January 29 2016 10:41 Koshi wrote:
What role is Rels?
Malcolm Reynolds.
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A huge problem with any Koshi or Plammar conspiracy theories is the simple fact that I have tracking results for both of them. And if they were scum, I think it's pretty likely that they would have been the ones carrying out the shots since they were among the least likely people to be tracked.
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On January 29 2016 12:31 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:23 The Shining wrote:On January 29 2016 12:14 Tictock wrote:On January 29 2016 11:46 The Shining wrote:On January 29 2016 11:23 Tictock wrote:On January 29 2016 11:18 Koshi wrote:
I don't see how that would ever happen tbh. If keir is mafia it is not with Onegu. One of these days I'm gunna make a crazy assed tinfoil theory that seems impossible but turns out to be pure gold. I think I just did it for you lol Actually I think I tinfoiled pretty much everything you said already. Onegu was unable to target his own team with his bus ability though, I had the same thought but I just requoted the part of his role where it says that it's impossible on the last page. So Koshi is actually confirmed not mafia with Onegu. I do agree with the notion that Cake probably needs to die both for the real GB flip and the chance that she could be mafia lurking here. Ah hm good point. Yeah Onegu couldn't bus him then. But he did claim he'd save Koshi. I wonder if Onegu would have his own team shoot Koshi then bus it, then, makes a lot more sense. I still think there's something there with the Holmes track -> Kita nuke, though. Ehh, no I don't think so. Keir claimed to have tracked Koshi visiting me N1, which adds up kus Koshi RB'd me that night. Only way he'd know that is being mafia with Koshi or having actually tracked Koshi. You would also need to find solid evidence that Bre checked Kita, and then explain why FF and I think Dis verified that Bre got a green check which should be accurate kus even though Bre was insane Kita obv used his check wich also reversed check returns. So yea... Good luck with that.
Breshke couldn't have checked Kita.
Breshke was insane, so checking Kita would have returned green. Kita used his ability, so the green check would have flipped back to red.
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On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils
there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.
And Rels is in the opposing team
That could explain why he fooled me as mafia.
I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid.
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On January 29 2016 12:40 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:38 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:35 Koshi wrote:
btw about tinfoils
there is a chance fefe and kita were on the same team. And they wanted to do a play that backfired cuz there are 2 mafia teams.
And Rels is in the opposing team
That could explain why he fooled me as mafia. I could MAYBE think that was a possibility if Kita had outted FF before you nuked him. But after you already launched your nuke, then outting hit own teammate would be stupid, and Kita isn't stupid. Sure, but people like sicklucker were pushing the idea that we should not lynch fefe to see if kita was scum. I really found that odd at the time. That felt like 100% mafia agenda. I didn't know if it was to save fefe though. But it was superodd.
Yea I agree it was odd. And it was odd how immediately after fefe flipped, SL started using it as a reason he was town. Doesn't change the fact that Kita wouldn't have outted his teammate for no reason, though.
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On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why?
I do. I said why here:
On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me.
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On January 29 2016 12:51 Koshi wrote:
kita/vivax/gb/copcake
onegu/sl/fefe/disfo
That's pretty tinfoily :p
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On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why? I do. I said why here: On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me. Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck.
That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia.
The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it???
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On January 29 2016 12:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:52 Koshi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:50 Keirathi wrote:On January 29 2016 12:41 Koshi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:08 Tictock wrote:Ok so... started this expecting to just make a simple list post but since the game is at a manageable size now I'll give you all more of my thinking. Remember, you asked for this. I'm pretty sure these people are town: 13. Koshi ( + Show Spoiler +Initial read was town, got worried based off EoD1 and him roleblocking me solely because I started scumreading him, EoD2 and varies interactions have me pretty sold on him being town.
D2 should pretty much prove Koshi as town, only tinfoil left is if he was scum with FF and bussed him ) 15. The Shining ( + Show Spoiler +not sure I have really solid reasoning, so I could be wrong. but he convinced me early on that his mindset was towny. I'd prob only review if presented a good case on him ) 17. sicklucker ( + Show Spoiler +gave reasoning before, lots of things make me think he's town though ) These people might not be town, but are definitely not good lynches today 21. CopCake ( + Show Spoiler +gut/meta read says town. Shoveled GB upon request. It may not be super strong, but I think her role would be optimal for scum later in the game to help her team. So using it like this makes it unlikely she had a real agenda for her role. ) 22. Palmar ( + Show Spoiler +Has been pretty pro town, and sorta an ass while doing it. Oh yea also he did a good job finding scum D1 ) 12. Superbia ( + Show Spoiler +Honestly I'm not sure and I've been doubting my initial townread on him since he took CPRDoc and started dropping off. His shots on VA and me don't look very good to me either, it's like he's only shooting low hanging fruit. I've played with him when he was Vig and his play was a lot different ( his filter that game) but idk how strong that is given the vast setup differences. I left him in this section because even if he is mafia he should be trying to hit other mafia, which makes him more of a threat to mafia than to town. ) 5. Keirathi ( + Show Spoiler +I doubt scum fakes that spreadsheet thing he did, though as I'm typing I have to wonder why he waited till N2 to share it. If he gave up on it early why not just share it then?
Ehh checking timestamps it seems pretty impossible that he faked that in response to what was going on at the time, and if your gunna preplan something like that I think you'd just make some real effort into the current gamestate not shit from preD1. So there, it's even tinfoil proof.
Oh also there's other stuff but I feel like I used all my space here. ) Which leaves me with these people to look at even though I've got 2 scum somewhere above this. 1. disformation ( + Show Spoiler + Was suspect of him most of the early game, he did something that made me townread him more. Yes, I actually can't think of what it was atm. Think it's time to take a long hard look at his filter and see if he deserved that TR.
Initial thinking is that he's been pretty active and open but hasn't really been putting in the effort that I've seen him make as town. Palmar also was right to ping out his GB case, it was really over the top for the actual content it had. Then again I think I've made bad filter posts like that before as town so idk.
At the very least Dis should be happy that his nickname now implies how other people read him as well as his own reads. ) 3. Rels ( + Show Spoiler +I'll be honest, I'm mostly letting my fear get to me. Rels plays a strong active scum game though and I think his play this game might just be that. I don't have much conclusive to support that but I'll def be going through his filter checking some things.
Some things I've noticed that Rels does as scum that might help: he doesn't bus (would be extra bad in this game), he goes after low-hanging fruit, over focuses on small details to make scum reads off of. Those are the sorta things I'll be looking for ) 4. Onegu ( + Show Spoiler +honestly pretty torn on Onegu. I thought the logic of him killing Alot as scum made sense, but I'm not sure if that's enough now. I need to check some stuff about how he's been using his power too.
This is pure tinfoil but I was thinking Onegu's role and the way he's been using it could still be used rather effectively as scum. What if Onegu is scum and his team have been targeting themselves with KP and he's been bussing his teammates with someone they picked? Gets his team a lot of cred as they "get shot"
I could well be way off course, but if that's true though it would add up as a team of FF, Onegu, Palmar, Koshi makes sense even given how D2 went down. ) Could some1 look at this and tell me if this could come from mafia? And why? I do. I said why here: On January 27 2016 15:08 Keirathi wrote:On January 27 2016 14:52 Keirathi wrote:
That was a whole lot of words to say things you don't really believe. To expound - You have Koshi listed as almost guaranteed town. You think Palmar has been really townie but refuse to put him in town category. You want to call Onegu town, but MAYBE JUST MAYBE there's a tinfoil theory where Palmar, Koshi, and Onegu are all scum together. And you vote Onegu? Not one of the other people that you think might be scum for their own sake. Onegu for the 1 in a million BIG PLAYS tinfoil. Doesn't sound very believable to me. Nothing in here makes him mafia. You just think his reads are odd. I agree. They are odd as fuck. That's not what I said. The reads are a little odd, yes, but that doesn't make him Mafia. The part that makes him Mafia was his attitude towards those reads, and the conclusion he reached to vote onegu because of it??? You think as mafia he would write something that insane? That's why I am so hesitant. It's so fucking insane to write down what he did. I also think he has 2 really townie reads in there. Something only a townie would think.
The read is a little tempered by the fact that onegu actually flipped scum. Could be tmi, but I kind of doubt it.
But yea, In general I think scum can and do make rambling posts like that and come to conclusions that don't line up with what they actually wrote.
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@TT:
Please, what part of my post was "salty". I'm not attacking you or trying to start a fight, so why did you feel the need to say that?
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On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
This is fucking absolutly bullshit there is no fucking way in all the heavens and the universe I would kill a teamate in the case I was mafia, there is no fucking way, ask Keirathi, I once blew up a whole fucking amazing game because I didn't want to lynch a teamate.
Can semi-vouch. You did hard refuse to bus SiRReN, but you also semi-bussed rayn but backed out of it when the wagon started rolling, which was part of the reason why I caught you 
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
When I am mafia I am absolutely dedicated and if you have any doubt, well the only two people who could have said something about me, is Keirathi (who might be mafia) and the rip Alot.
I actually already DID say that, though.
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Keirathi: Look at my interaction with him and onegu yesterday, they were like sheeping me to believe Onegu was town by night actions. (Tbh smart move, onegu saved townies)
What??? Where the fuck did you ever say anything about Onegu's night actions??
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
He also says I am active then I am sick I cant be active then I am at school coff coff when you know, shit is happening. In before cake but you do the same, check the times I log in: When I get at work, during my lunch time and at night when I arrive home, same pattern. The only days I could be active were my weekends. Also the whole "Oh kill me" was kinda odd.
What does being sick or having school have to do with me being scum? You can look and see that the vast majority of my posts are from 4pm (when I get home from school) until 2am or so. With a few random posts while I'm at school. I fail to see how that has any-fucking-thing to do with my alignment.
On January 29 2016 13:52 CopCake wrote:
Tiktok: I went to check my posts when I was talking to onegu and keirathi (needed to make sure it was keirathi and not sicklucker btw) and there is this gem that says "
The vanilla virus is on me but will die after tonight.
Pretty sure the virus part is not a real RB though, just nullifies roles. it is like he is saying that he cant use night actions so rip.
Huh? How does that make him scum if he's just saying how he thinks GB's role works now that it's on him?
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