OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 5

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2015 15:49 GMT

#846

On December 28 2015 00:48 Holyflare wrote:
I really give absolutely 0 shits what you think SL. You're just defending random people but then wanting to lynch BF and other people for being equally useless. Your points are irrelevant.

Yes i agree with this.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 15:50 GMT

#849

On December 28 2015 00:47 Holyflare wrote:
It's quite clearly a skim the thread into post whatever looks good to appease people or bolster people town reading him aka what TickTock was doing to you "Oh you have the same read as me why are you scum reading me!" and what Vivax is doing to SL.

okay this makes sense.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 15:51 GMT

#850

idk why are we arging over people we both think both of them are scum?

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2015 16:57 GMT

#947

On December 28 2015 01:41 N e s s wrote:

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Not really no rayn.

Please explain what happened then.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:09 GMT

#955

So let me get this straight:

HF and Ness both think my interpretation of GB's posts is not correct.
Regardless of why i think what i do (either i am mafia or missing something) GB does not correct me. In the case on HF and Ness being right, GB not correcting me should mean GB HAS TO BE MAFIA for them, there is literally no other explanation since there should be zero reason for GB to let me say stuff that is just --- incorrect and he 100% knows it.

Neither of them is voting for GB....

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:12 GMT

#957

On December 28 2015 02:01 N e s s wrote:

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He didn't ask me a legit question if i can remember correctly, it wasn't even a question at all.

He said "i find it amusing you don't know the reason we were voting moose".

something along those lines. I don't even see how you think thats wrong at all....

Dude you sound like saying "i don't think you are town" somehow means a different thing that "i think you are mafia"... What a way to argue about semantics.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:14 GMT

#962

On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Definitely not a question at all?

On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:

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On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:

On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:

On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:

Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.

You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.

...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?

Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.

If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.

this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?

Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.

Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?

It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Also an explanation to WHY he asks the question.

It's amusing... Like.. Magic! How things become something that they are not.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:16 GMT

#963

"Let's just read the explanation and ignore the original question which i answered unstatisfyably and call it fishy"

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:17 GMT

#968

So Holyflare what's your explanation to this?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:34 GMT

#990

On December 28 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
your chain of events is wrong and isn't what happened, simple as that but I think you are towny and so it wasn't worth mentioning because I didn't care:

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I scum read N E S S initially and didn't scum read GB but then the more ness posted the more he looked town and then GB's questions which you quote above looked worse and worse because asking about the moosy wagon was a question I asked already in my long post, GB was not going anywhere with his questioning and rehashing what I had already stated, Ness answered and GB did not bother to follow up or mention it while I was still questioning ness about stuff and I thought that was suspicious and I even highlighted that in my post on GB which multiple people stated similar reasoning for agreeing with (rsoul et al).

I said I was placated with GB when he highlighted other stuff meaning he was no longer a real scum read. So to say GB was scum read throughout by me wasn't really what was happening and if you say you meant other people then that was a legitimate scum read because I shared similar sentiment at the time.

Did Ness answer you before GB re-asked the question? People tend to ask same questions again when the counter-part for any reason refuses to answer them. I am pretty sure that's what happened.

Idk... Like... Did you find Ness' reads (which was the other thing GB asked about) good enough.. or even legit? Is it out of question GB thinks he is scum for writing stuff but not really doing anything at all (which is basically what he is doing)?

And how does this contradict what i said? I am not talking about if GB is reharsing your questions or not, because i don't think -- if he is doing so -- that it makes him mafia. Is there something wrong with the chain of events i pointed out? The point is not if he gets scumread for it or not, the point is did he ACTUALLY do that or not?

Maybe we are arguing about different things.. I am not blaming anyone for scumreading GB, otherwise my vote would be on someone who scumreads him. I am trying to understand why people can't uderstand his logic from town perspective. I understand your logic now, other people's logic i do not understand. I just think you are wrong and i think he is not mafia.

But for example Ness' answer here -- again, was really fucking bad. Do you wanna argue about that? He literally said GB didn't actually ask anything -- which i proved to be wrong. Then he just brushed it off like "you're bad", which is just... stupid.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:35 GMT

#994

On December 28 2015 02:31 ExO_ wrote:

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On December 28 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote:

On December 28 2015 02:12 ExO_ wrote:

On December 28 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote:

On December 28 2015 01:58 ExO_ wrote:
I don't think rsoultin breadcrumbed coag. No mention of anything remotely related to him until after somebody else mentions it in the thread. then she hops right onto the idea that she breadcrumbed him.

I don't believe rsoultin/coag are masons. I don't necessarily think they are scum buddies either. I think a huge variety of things could be happening here. but when rsoultin has been accused of being scum so far she kinda just goes "shrug nothing I can do to convince you guys". So I think rsoultin is scum, and coag is some non-scum role kinda just piggy bagging off rsoultin's "bread crumbing" to make up for his lack of posting.

so then the real 2 masons just out and we have 2 mafia.... don't think that's a good plan exo

Why should the mason's speak up? On this forum, I think it'd be more likely that 2 people who are VT fake claim mason rather than actual masons claim on day 1. I don't think that's the case here, but it's not impossible.

What I don't think happened is rsoultin as a mason bread crumbed her mason buddy in this manner.

I think you're entirely on the wrong train of thought, rsoultin would absolutely breadcrumb like this because she's done the same thing before, it is also incredibly out of the blue for rsoultin to just randomly pick coagulation as a mason buddy to randomly put in a town list too, too many things don't add up. I don't think they are VT and I think you are following an end that has no real goal here. I think you should focus on other things and question people you scum read that aren't coag/based on something silly.

You seem to have a problem with my posts and questions that seemingly lead nowhere (I'm pretty sure I've made cases on both vivax and GB early game) and I'd like you to point out some things that you had problem with in my posts and I can show you where they lead me. Or because I'm town and that would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor for you and me you could talk about some other intuitive tidbit you've seen.

Give me an example of rsoultin breadcrumbing, particularly if its a player who hasn't posted, and when it turned out to be true. I think you're awfully quick to believe that rsoultin "bread crumbed here" and that she isn't scum. How can you be so sure that rsoultin is a mason? You really believe that she can't be scum, or fake claiming VT. It's not worth pursuing that line of thought at all?

yeah Exo, you should let that go. They are masons.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:38 GMT

#1000

On December 28 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:
tbh I've ignored NESS since his defence, and the GB thing was just rehashing and asking questions that I already asked but he's not a real scum read either.

Ness could be mafia but there's too many inactives for me to really give a shit, I just wanna play hots ^^

Never let me play Zeratul... At least when i am semi-drunk.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:47 GMT

#1012

On December 28 2015 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
I'm going to repeat myself

I want Coag to get rsoultin to tell him what forum I met rsoultin on, and the name I went by over there. It'll settle my doubts, and get me off this case. It's a win win for town. It wouldn't take much effort either. If Coag/rsoultin can't be arsed to do that much then I'm going to continue thinking that rsoultin is scum and coag is either being played, or is scum too

Okay good.
Now you can talk about something else.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:49 GMT

#1016

Vivax could you tell me who are your scumreads with actual reasoning?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:50 GMT

#1017

On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote:
eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything

well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:52 GMT

#1019

On December 28 2015 02:49 Koshi wrote:
rayn is Artanis scum?

idk tbh.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:55 GMT

#1022

On December 28 2015 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.

to be more exact shares 2/3 of your scumreads, and the third one you have (exo) is never ever going to be mafia in this game. Keep digging a hole.

I would want to remind you this is not a forum where people are dumb enough to try lynch me for questioning illogical stuff in comparison to trash forums.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

December 27 2015 17:59 GMT

#1028

On December 28 2015 02:57 N e s s wrote:

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Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons.

How am i sharing scum reads with anyone exactly?

I am on you because you say shit that doesn't make any sense and you are not even trying to explain why you do so.

You think Vivas is mafia. I do that too.
You think TT is mafia. I do too.
How the FUCK is that NOT sharing a scumread? It's literally what it is.
So, i share 2/3 of your scumreads -- yet you somehow claim you KNOW "i am wrong about everything in this game".
That, again -- is literally fucking bullshit.