I lied, I'm actually still here.
I just perused OO's, Shining's, and Vivax's filters and haven't had issues with any of them.

Considering Palmar is so high up on everyone's lists and I townread him earlier, can someone explain to me why everyone thinks he's so scummy?

I'll be checking this thread intermittently throughout tonight but I'll try to respond to whoever is still trying to do things.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 01 2016 23:57 GMT

#3178

I do remember people saying stuff like "he's not trying to solve the game" but that's mostly rhetoric and a ton of people haven't been doing anything recently.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 01 2016 23:58 GMT

#3179

Ritoky I don't understand what you're trying to shoot for with your bottom quote.
Can you elaborate more?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:02 GMT

#3187

On January 02 2016 08:59 The Shining wrote:

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What changed between this and your last post?

I thought your scramble after the lynch was towny.
My initial thought process regarding you was that you were relatively robotic and forgettable. Your recent accusation of slam seemed slightly better than what I read of you in the past but that's all I have wrt a read on you.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:03 GMT

#3190

I agree that Trfel post looks weird.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:05 GMT

#3192

On January 02 2016 09:03 ritoky wrote:

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basically palmar says "i am sheeping rayn cuz i am not really playing this phase".

rels comes back and does a bunch of shit that was bad.

i start discussing shennanies onto rels

koshi votes rels

i say gogogo in the thread

i go to voting thread

palmar has already voted rels

i go to palmar's filter

palmar has no read on rels, no read on koshi, and no read on me.

why does town palmar not sheep rayn onto his case or a policy vote on a claim/unclaim, but instead follows a no-read onto a no-read?

Maybe. I need to consider this.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:07 GMT

#3193

Mehhhhhhhhhhhh.
It doesn't seem like a super strong case to me.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:08 GMT

#3195

I don't know.
I need to dwell on it. My mind is firing in like 7 different directions wrt Palmar.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 00:08 GMT

#3196

Okay I'm seriously going to fnm now.
I'll be back/around at points.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 07:25 GMT

#3285

On January 02 2016 14:34 ExO_ wrote:
Why in the world are you town reading palmar? Both Artanis/rayn were reading palmar as scum. His play this game makes me think he's scum.

Elaborate pls?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:18 GMT

#3306

On January 02 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote:obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable

Not really.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:19 GMT

#3307

I don't mind that you townread me but my contributions being super useful is completely untrue.
Not a fun thing to admit but it is what it is.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:20 GMT

#3308

I think I might join in with Hf and ask how you came to that conclusion actually?
iirc your earlier read on me was centered on the fact that I voted Tt but he wound up flipping town. How exactly does that read still carry over?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:21 GMT

#3309

On January 02 2016 19:23 Trfel wrote:ObiWanShinobi
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He's just.... not doing anything at all.

He's not making any useful thoughts, he's not being commanding, he's just following the lead that everyone else is providing. He's just doing whatever, not trying to solve the game.

One example of this is ObiWanShinobi's read on boxerfred. He initially said that people scumreading boxerfred for doing nothing is bad, because boxerfred did nothing and got mislynched for it as town. However, when boxerfred continued to be useless, Holyflare said that he wanted to lynch boxerfred on Day 3, and ObiWanShinobi said that he agreed without mentioning boxerfred in between.

I didn't know I needed reasons to kill someone useless - I can concede that someone is probably town and useless but that doesn't make being useless a good thing.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:23 GMT

#3310

On January 02 2016 23:02 nooniansoong wrote:
Trfel shining exo slam look like mafia
ows oo maybe mafia

Probably forgetting about some peeps.

Just because nks scumread palmar doesn't mean palmar is dcum. That seems to be the scumteams primary argument for lynching him.

How so?
Can you elaborate on why we shouldn't lynch Palmar?

On January 02 2016 23:58 ObviousOne wrote:
sleep deprived mafia team based on not very much effort but it's up to date, i'll try to do better when i come back

ows
vivax
one of sl or slam
one of noon or palmar
maybe gb

could prob eliminate one more name if i was caffeinated enough but i doubt it.

thought about comparing this list to the dead guys filters from n1 maybe when i wake up tonight. from memory palmar was suspect but the rest i dont remember off the top of my empty skull

Why to any of these?

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:35 GMT

#3314

On January 03 2016 00:31 sicklucker wrote:
Like this is from page 2-3 of your filter. Everypost is a question or important statement compared to your afk/lurk give up and do nothing mafia meta this is when I got that read ill admit you been slacking since but your still town

I think several people would contest you on my "do nothing" mafia meta.
But otherwise, fine I guess.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

January 02 2016 15:42 GMT

#3316

On January 03 2016 00:37 ExO_ wrote:

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Do you want me to elaborate on the Artanis/Rayn part? I can go quote them, but you're quite capable of reading the back end of their filters yourself. Both of them agreed on palmar, and if they were both completely on the wrong track I'm not sure scum would've killed them

As for my thinking his play this game makes me think he's scum: starts with the above. If you look, he's kinda in the thread but hasn't really contributed anything to solving the game. He's kinda just going with the flow. I can build a better case on him, but tbh I'm lazy and want to see the results of the night before I do anything.

I'm aware of artanis/rayn scumreading him but I'm not sure that's enough on its own - both of them make plausible n1 targets regardless of their reads (I even shot rayn myself a few games ago even though he was wrong on everything.)

I'd like to see your case and I'm perfectly happy to wait until night's end to read it. I'm not gonna be shot anyway so it probably doesn't matter.