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On December 29 2015 07:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote:On December 29 2015 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Im going to like the kush - TS exchange, kush might actually find points that point to TS being mafia But he's still voting for Alakaslam this whole time, without talking about him, without ever trying to move the lynch. This is not an attempt to solve the game. This is not actually caring about the game, or trying to find the best lynch. Trfel I see you voting off wagon and not really attempting to do anything with TT, why is that? I don't think you've really gone into a TT thought process much at all other than mentioning he's not a very good lynch? Not that I remember anyway. I get the impression that Tictock actually is reading the thread, primarily because last night as I was catching up, he supposedly read 15-20 pages at the same time as I did. Like, he'd comment on posts every so often, and was basically on my pace the entire time. That seems difficult to fake.
I don't think that Tictock would actually put that much effort to read the thread and then not care to actually try to move the lynch as scum. I also don't think there is much reason to scumread him, notably I didn't like the criticisms of his first post (there were some reasons I wanted to townread Koshi then, and I liked that Tictock wasn't sharing a widely accepted read, but instead a more unique one).
The arguments against Tictock seem to be arguing that he's bad instead of that he's scum? Though I have not caught up yet and I have been reading quickly without having a chance to double check things.
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On December 29 2015 08:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Nah HF was trying to save the lynch I goofed and made it so that it wasn't saved.
Now if TT is town a lot of the people who switched vs people who just said fuck it and stayed is interesting. yeah if tt is town there is good information here. Huh? If it's both town, why does the vote switch provide any information whatsoever?
On December 29 2015 07:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 07:13 Trfel wrote:On December 27 2015 09:17 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote:On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote:
Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point.
How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times.
If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back.
If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green. Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two: 1) If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything. Furthermore I have qualms with the second half of the statement: Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand You have a list of four questions and they are all designed as you have said: On December 27 2015 08:17 N e s s wrote:On December 27 2015 08:16 GlowingBear wrote:On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote:
Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point.
How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times.
If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back.
If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green. 1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia? It actually can be used later on in game, collecting answers usually helps me. but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for. Can you please answer the following for me? 1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions? 2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal? 3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square? THANK GOD someone gets what I'm saying. This post made me feel that GlowingBear does actually care about the game and is emotionally invested. It didn't feel robotic at all to me. I'd feel that mafia's first instinct would be to complain about people being stupid/paying him no attention, but instead GlowingBear seems actually happy that his arguments are being pursued. I don't think that's alignment indicative at all since people can get frustrated from not being listened to just by virtue of not beng listened to but yeah I don't think he's robotic like TT/rsoul are making out, TT also seems to have not seen GB's interaction with me. I guess this is worth discussing again.
I agree that both town and mafia can be frustrated just by not being listened to, however, my point is that I don't feel that GlowingBear was frustrated in this post. He seemed genuinely happy that someone was was thinking the same thing and pushing his arguments, which isn't something I'd expect from scum there (and does make sense from town).
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On December 29 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote:
On the one hand I disagree with pretty much everything he says and have no idea how he reached any of his conclusions.
On the other hand he was doing stuff just now whilst everyone afks and stuff like that.
Bit of a quandary. If I tell you that he's town, will you believe me?
You probably shouldn't  But I don't feel like he's been that wishy-washy with his posts, and I don't feel that his play is fitting a mafia motivation. What I was saying earlier about Tictock being town because he was catching up, I wasn't trying to say that he was town because he was reading the thread, but rather because he spent that much work reading the thread and then didn't care to respond to ritoky's case or defend himself. That doesn't seem very mafia-motivated to me and so I think that he is most likely town.
You said earlier that you gave Tictock an out but he didn't take it, what was the out that you gave him?
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On December 29 2015 15:42 Vivax wrote:
Id vote Artanis and Damdred for town leaders in this game I'd vote for Artanis too 
But seriously, I am fairly confident that Holyflare is town, and I still think that GlowingBear is likely town and nooniansoong is likely scum. Thoughts?
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Like, I don't see why that's mafia indicative?
If anything, I bet this would have been discussed in the mafia QT. I know I would have tried to discuss how to deal with the masons right when I saw the claim.
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On December 29 2015 17:41 ritoky wrote:
has anyone played with moosy more than once? and can they confirm the whole gives a shit = mafia; fucks off/does dumb shit = town read that he self-proclaims? It's true, but MoosyDoosy is probably capable of replicating it as mafia, since not caring really isn't hard to fake.
I'd actually still go with it, I imagine that MoosyDoosy would have a fun time doing random stuff as mafia in a game like this, but I do note that MoosyDoosy didn't complain about rolling town at all, which I've come to expect from him.
I'm still embarrassed about my errant read on MoosyDoosy last game, especially since I figured out the problem with the read and then forgot what it was. So I'm kind of ignoring him this game
I'm tired and babbling, but to this point MoosyDoosy's self-meta is true.
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Kushm4sta is still my strongest scumread. I'm pretty confident in it.
But anyway, good night. And I'm not so sure that Vivax is mafia, I was kind of thinking he was town, but I didn't check what he did at End of Day.
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On December 29 2015 18:11 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 18:00 ritoky wrote:On December 29 2015 17:59 ExO_ wrote:
I don't even know. I've been flip flopping on what I think all day but by the end I was pretty sold on a TT lynch. I cannot believe so many people switched votes in the last couple of hours.
TT is talking so much now but I still tend to think he's scum. I think some of the people who switched off of TT are scum (Palmar is pretty glaring). And though I'm sure it'll change and he'll squirm and scream I think I'm going to tunnel Palmar.
And if somehow it becomes obvious that Vivax isn't JK, should lynch him too, imo. Outside of palmar who else do you think is most likely scum flipper? Without looking at it too closely, Damdred's flip seems suspect to me. I don't really like your flip either. I need to go re-read what happened before I took a nap (that turned into like 4 hours of sleep lol) and see exactly how this went down. And where the fuck is coag? For being basically confirmed masons, coag is being complete trash, and I'm not too happy with rsoultin either. I really hope a pair of masons CC them. But its irrationally stupid for both of them to be scum and claiming mason early, which mean coag just isn't giving a damn :/ You want to cc them with me? I would 
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I thought that Holyflare was town, but looking at how he responded to Artanis' suspicion, I'm not so sure
I am also confident that Palmar is mafia. I don't expect to catch up until the end of the 24 hour break, though.
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On December 30 2015 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
Hey it's that red check that now proves I'm town! Get rekt mafia. Oh yeah, apparently some people were saying association things.
Stupid me for doubting my Holyflare read that was really smart
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On December 30 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:
I've just won a game of Hearthstone, and it was fucking weird.
I was against a Hunter. I'm Paladin.
He had Explosive Trap and I used Truesilver Champion. I had 2 health.
I attacked him, activated the secret, then I've reached 0 health. Then my hero attacked him and gained +2 health and I won the game.
WAT Trfel #1580
Add me on Hearthstone?
I still feel like sicklucker is likely town, but I don't think I'll have time for serious analysis for a while. Palmar's filter size is a bit concerning, but his filter is extremely boring and doesn't feel at all like town!Palmar. Plus, his reaction to the Artanis night kill wasn't convincing.
Anyway, Tictock's play should be worthy of an award nomination ^^
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For the record....
Tictock is 100% mafia and gets lynched here no matter what. Even if Damdred rescinds his gunsmith claim, five people counterclaim Onegu's cop claim, and Onegu posts baby seals, Tictock is STILL mafia and STILL gets lynched.
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On December 31 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:
what time exactly does the game get paused for 24 hrs? EoD or? 10 AM Eastern, I believe.
Palmar is funny
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On December 31 2015 06:15 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2015 06:11 Trfel wrote:On December 31 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:
what time exactly does the game get paused for 24 hrs? EoD or? 10 AM Eastern, I believe. Palmar is funny thanx. btw who are your top 2 mafia that aren't named palmar or tt? Kushm4sta/nooniansoong, whichever name you prefer. After that I'm blank, but I figure that a 100% lynch and two very likely mafia to look more closely at later is good enough for now.
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No clue what boxerfred's alignment was.
I guess I'm not going to try and figure it out.
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Holyflare, do you think that Palmar is mafia?
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I think I finally understand where raynpelikoneet is coming from.
There comes a point where you simply can't tolerate stupidity any more.
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Damdred is almost definitely town here, the fact that his claim was fake was fairly obvious.
I'm really not sure about Onegu. It seems that claiming to get Tictock lynched would be a really stupid one for one for mafia to take, but Onegu is the kind of player who just might do it anyway. I feel that he's a bit more likely town, but need to look again.
I never ever thought that someone would fake a red check for a significant amount of time. And I thought that people would always claim their role if they were about to get lynched. I feel so stupid.
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