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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 27 2015 04:37 GMT
#541
now that kush isn't mafia for that reason, is he mafia for another? or who is mafia?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 27 2015 04:38 GMT
#542
On December 27 2015 13:19 ritoky wrote:
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On December 27 2015 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote:
rayn agrees with all but 1 of my reads and then calls me scum anyway, probably town rayn.

Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say?
And i am not calling you scum am i?


oh you're not? i thought the whole "you should have opposite read" and "one game he was super town, but..." indicated scum lean. guess was assuming wrong.

To be honest i would prolly consider you scum if it wasn't for the read on BH in that one game....
I actually do think Trfel jumping to conclusions without proofreading what he says beforehand is is quite big of a towntell for him. It's like... he thinks something is true (which can be clearly seen from his posts), then figures out he is wrong (or something happens) and he backs off. I think it shows he is thinking about the game, and i have no idea why you think that is scummy. Also his posts were not bad at all on any level, as as i said it shows he is actually re-evaluating his reads.

Him having much/few reads at the point of the game is not alignment indicative i think.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 27 2015 04:38 GMT
#543
I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip.

But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 27 2015 04:39 GMT
#544
On December 27 2015 13:34 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 13:23 ritoky wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.

its bad to go off of meta.

It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.

Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.

What if he's changed his play style?

But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.

Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.

But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.

Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.

Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?

TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.


Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it

Seems legit


and your read on kush is: he's a smurf

which he literally explained pre-game when he said "this is a smurf, cuz i can't view kush account at work"

...like wat?


Ah, I didn't see that

So you just selectively decided to read some of my posts and not all of them?
Why?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 27 2015 04:39 GMT
#545
On December 27 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip.

But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment


You should be voting for Vivax.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 27 2015 04:40 GMT
#546
Or TickTock although I'm not sure yet on that one, he's blatantly ignoring half the thread but posting things in an accusatory way nonetheless.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 27 2015 04:41 GMT
#547
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Show nested quote +
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:


Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

Show nested quote +
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.


You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

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but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.


...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

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Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?



Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Show nested quote +
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.


Show nested quote +
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.


this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

Show nested quote +
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?


Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.


Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
December 27 2015 04:41 GMT
#548
Meh his few posts towards me have me thinking maybe he's not scum though. Like its not enough for me to town him but it does give me pause. He cared about reasoning I had
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 27 2015 04:42 GMT
#549
Because everybody is so townie I ended up reading Alakaslam. I was not impressed.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 27 2015 04:44 GMT
#550
Okay frands i am gonna go to bed.
cya tomorrow.
table for two on a tv tray
N e s s
Profile Joined December 2015
105 Posts
December 27 2015 04:45 GMT
#551
On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:


Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.


You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.


...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?



Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.


If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.


this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?


Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.


Let me ask you something

What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?

Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 27 2015 04:45 GMT
#552
sleep well sweet prince
I had a good night of sleep.
N e s s
Profile Joined December 2015
105 Posts
December 27 2015 04:46 GMT
#553
On December 27 2015 13:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip.

But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment


You should be voting for Vivax.

Also i understand why you think Vivax is scum, but why are you asking everyone to vote for him?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 27 2015 04:46 GMT
#554
On December 27 2015 13:10 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [N E S S post] +
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote:
Alrighty! So, heres my defense.

First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.

Show nested quote +
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:


Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?323476-1984-Mafia-Day-One/page7

Show nested quote +
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.


You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.

Show nested quote +
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.


...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-

Show nested quote +
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.

Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?



Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.

Show nested quote +
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.

On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.


Show nested quote +
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.


this. this rubs me the wrong way.

1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it?
2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me?
3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.

Show nested quote +
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?

2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?

3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?


Smh answered those first 2 already.

but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.

But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.


+ Show Spoiler [My response] +

I like these responses. No further questions your honor.

To answer some of your queries though, I mentioned MoosyDoosy because you had bolded 4 questions but seemed concerned about why people were voting Moosy (game relevant information), I would have thought that question would have been a 5th bolded question since it was game relevant and not an afterthought in one of your bolded questions or later.

Also at the time there were no answers to it you just said you use the information later and I couldn't see how you would use the colour of someone's choice over the game relevant information. And while yes your first two questions were "analytical" they were questions that anybody could ask and weren't showing insight into information that had popped up.


GB can you elaborate on why you refuse to want to lynch Vivax? He has dodged every situation and game relevant scenario to do nothing and somehow that makes you not want to lynch him, the player who doesn't really play as mafia?


Lately, Vivax gameplay has been uninspiring as either alignment. There was a game he was mislynched day1 because he played somehow similar like this. Which makes him more null than scummy.

I'm not saying he couldn't be Mafia. I'm just saying that there is nothing that scummy in his filter that makes him deserve to be the lynch
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 27 2015 04:47 GMT
#555
On December 27 2015 13:46 N e s s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 13:39 Holyflare wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm kinda sad hf isn't lobbying for me to vote vivax yet, ignored and alone rip.

But seriously I'm not entirely sure that bivax is a good lynch at this moment


You should be voting for Vivax.

Also i understand why you think Vivax is scum, but why are you asking everyone to vote for him?

It is well known that if you can get the person you think is mafia lynched, that you have an enormous penis.
I had a good night of sleep.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 27 2015 04:47 GMT
#556
On December 27 2015 13:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 13:19 ritoky wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote:
rayn agrees with all but 1 of my reads and then calls me scum anyway, probably town rayn.

Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say?
And i am not calling you scum am i?


oh you're not? i thought the whole "you should have opposite read" and "one game he was super town, but..." indicated scum lean. guess was assuming wrong.

To be honest i would prolly consider you scum if it wasn't for the read on BH in that one game....
I actually do think Trfel jumping to conclusions without proofreading what he says beforehand is is quite big of a towntell for him. It's like... he thinks something is true (which can be clearly seen from his posts), then figures out he is wrong (or something happens) and he backs off. I think it shows he is thinking about the game, and i have no idea why you think that is scummy. Also his posts were not bad at all on any level, as as i said it shows he is actually re-evaluating his reads.

Him having much/few reads at the point of the game is not alignment indicative i think.


i was mafia with him quite recently and he was rather meek and unsure that game. very non-committal, asking for advice, waiting to pick a side until later etc. some of that meek tone and play i see so far in this game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
N e s s
Profile Joined December 2015
105 Posts
December 27 2015 04:49 GMT
#557
Just curious, is there a way to know if someone is viewing the thread or no?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 27 2015 04:50 GMT
#558
On December 27 2015 13:49 N e s s wrote:
Just curious, is there a way to know if someone is viewing the thread or no?

No.
I had a good night of sleep.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 27 2015 04:50 GMT
#559
On December 27 2015 13:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote:
@rayn

im not here to argue. i was just trying to understand your perspective and get a read on you. i get what youre saying about gb but im not sure that it makes him town? Is this a firm read of yours, cause you were pretty sure in drams.

It's quite firm. I don't know what you are referring with the bolded part?
IS it on D1 (when i considered him town), if so, yes i was -- until D3 (or N2 idk) when he said something super unbelieveable that had no thought behind it.


D1 you were quite adamant when i couldnt see it. The problem is gb is posting but not being ADD at all...which is how i read him. like he seems pretty focused on a limited number of things rather than being volatile bear. if youre sure i can drop him for a day cause i like a viva lynch too


pretty much that, he hasn't spazzed out and yelled at me for calling him mafia or tried to make love to me. he is just calm and focused posting. i may be slightly biased because he appears to be tunneling on me and it's pretty w/e.


I'm actually trying to further evaluate you. I didn't like that post I've quoted earlier but I was ok with your answer, and it seems people don't agree with me.

I'm still waiting for your answer tho
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 27 2015 04:52 GMT
#560
On December 27 2015 13:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2015 13:14 ritoky wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote:
@rayn

im not here to argue. i was just trying to understand your perspective and get a read on you. i get what youre saying about gb but im not sure that it makes him town? Is this a firm read of yours, cause you were pretty sure in drams.

It's quite firm. I don't know what you are referring with the bolded part?
IS it on D1 (when i considered him town), if so, yes i was -- until D3 (or N2 idk) when he said something super unbelieveable that had no thought behind it.


D1 you were quite adamant when i couldnt see it. The problem is gb is posting but not being ADD at all...which is how i read him. like he seems pretty focused on a limited number of things rather than being volatile bear. if youre sure i can drop him for a day cause i like a viva lynch too


pretty much that, he hasn't spazzed out and yelled at me for calling him mafia or tried to make love to me. he is just calm and focused posting. i may be slightly biased because he appears to be tunneling on me and it's pretty w/e.


I'm actually trying to further evaluate you. I didn't like that post I've quoted earlier but I was ok with your answer, and it seems people don't agree with me.

I'm still waiting for your answer tho


what post? i must have missed it
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