• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:17
CEST 12:17
KST 19:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners1Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection6Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW General Discussion BW animated web series: seeking contributors
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7358 users

OUTLAW MINI MAFIA - Page 11

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 17 Next All
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 05 2016 21:13 GMT
#4153
so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 05 2016 21:45 GMT
#4156
On January 06 2016 06:38 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote:
so i'm the one townie left scummy enough for the scumteam to scumread.


why aren't you scum? What's been your major contribution to town this game?


lots of stuff. ask the people who are actually playing. they will all tell you im town.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 00:55 GMT
#4186
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
19. The Shining
24. Alakaslam

cool, game solved
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 01:38 GMT
#4190
On January 06 2016 10:13 Damdred wrote:
Why not trfel kush


pretty sure he's town
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 02:22 GMT
#4194
On January 06 2016 11:20 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 09:55 nooniansoong wrote:
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
19. The Shining
24. Alakaslam

cool, game solved


Your POE sucks.


sucks for you
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 14:01 GMT
#4234
On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads

lolololololololololololololololol


I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time.
At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town.

In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 14:12 GMT
#4235
On January 06 2016 04:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2016 22:47 NocturneMage wrote:
On January 05 2016 21:12 nooniansoong wrote:
Or slam actually. If slam was town he would have gotten more support over gb?


Yes. GB was vanilla scum. HF/Koshi scumread Alakaslam under the aggro reads on my predecessor (and last I recall Slam actually soft defended me upon replacing), and other scumreads were him not being invested in this game.

The mafia in that wagon were interested in protecting one of the three power roles I mentioned before, gf, rb, rolecop. If Slam were town, that wagon wouldn't have gone anywhere or it would have gotten larger.

Ness did some extremely scummy stuff but he did a towntell. Nobody has been getting this right; I am under scum suspicion not because I have actually done anything people are claiming I did, but because I have been inactive.

I hard defended Ness and declared him town. He asked rayn to sum up his reads quickly in one post.

He was trying to see if rayn was able to keep track of his reads. For Ness, that was alignment indicative.

It's also subtle, admirably so, and I admired him and townread him for it. The problem is, scum players can also remember their own reads. He was unaware of why the high skill level here can appear to be very low to outsiders;

We have pretty good scum players here.

So I coached him on that, and never pushed him again.

This made me question my EXO read, and since he was pretty universally townread, I dropped suspicion on him and thereby lost the ability to figure this one out and by extension lost interest. When I lost the free time and fell behind reading, that didn't help, and when I was being scumread for that I got very disappointed and completely stopped trying.

Post game I think it will not be worth trying to point out all the false premises people scumread me under. Game is too big.


Making a townread is NAI. I think the real issue with you is you have done nothing to prove your towniness. And you have a severe activity drop off, which objectively makes you more likely to be scum.
So if you are town please read a filter or something and give your thoughts.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 17:38 GMT
#4239
I don't get the point against alakslam. I dont think the votes were such that gb could have killed alakaslam instead of himself. Gb had a comfortable majority on him right?
And scum gb probably might still hammer a scum alakslam. Or gb might not have voted alaka for the wifom.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 00:32 GMT
#4284
wait a second what if obi is godfather
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 14:35 GMT
#4296
honestly I don't blame you for thinking I'm scum. I just got kind of depressed about being wrong about GB and then trfel so I just want to start a fresh game and try again.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 15:06 GMT
#4297
On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends.


You don't give reasoning for why NM is most likely town, especially since Ness was a scumread.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 15:12 GMT
#4299
On January 07 2016 07:59 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2016 06:21 ExO_ wrote:
I think Onegu is scum. His fake claim bullshit on day 2 has let him slide by like Damdred. Only unlike Damdred he hasn't done anything since then. His filter is 4 pages lon<script id="gpt-impl-0.9471382165146065" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_78.js"></script>g, and he has 1 post on the 4th page. He's not doing anything. On day 3 he switched off of Slam and went to GB (this is true of OO and SL as well). If I work with the assumption that Onegu is scum it leads me to the following scum team:

Onegu
Shining
Slam
Kush

Day 3
Kush parks his vote on Slam and never moves it at all. Shining votes for GB, and Onegu moves from Slam to GB. GB never throws his vote on slam (inexplicably). This gets GB lynched, and protects slam for another day.

I think slam is a scum with a role, and I think we should lynch him today.

##Vote Alakaslam


I R VT, I mean Cop. I mean I was Rsouls real mason partner, I mean I am JK, I mean I am scum, I mean I am VT.

I wont do anything until lylo then I will figure the game out. And you fuckers will listen to me. If you need a list of games this year I have figured the game out once I was in lylo I will provide it. My percentage is IS better than the rest of people in finding scum at lylo.


why do you assume town will let this game get to lylo?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 15:37 GMT
#4306
On January 07 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:
Im playing around with the daily votes and colors right now to see if I can find any trends. So far this is what I've noticed:

GB on day 1 voted for townies: (ticktock, Vivax, Holyflare). The only possible bus he could've done would be on NESS (Nocture Mage now) if NM turns out to be scum. If not this means GB didn't bus a single time on day 1.

On day 2 GB was on ticktock like everyone else,

Day 3 he was on Palmar, and OWS.

Looking at this data, I tend to think GB wasn't bussing at all this game. I guess its quite possible he would bus on Day 3 but I don't think so. If Palmar is town and OWS is town then I think it indicates that NM is probably town as well. Since I think Palmar is town and OWS is basically cleared by SL, I tend to think GB never once voted for his scum teammates.

Your logic this: 5/6 of GB's scumreads turned out to be town. Therefore, the last scumread is also town.
I'd say it makes it more likely for the last scumread to be scum, since scum usually throws in at least some busing especially as the game goes on.
So what we have here is bad and possibly opportunistic reasoning.


Another interesting tidbits are where noonian songs votes have been

Day 1: Briefly Voting for Palmar, ends on Slam
Day 2: Votes Self
Day 3: Votes Slam

Kush has for the most part only been voting for Slam. Like non-stop. Call it confirmation bias, but I think this is scum indicative. Day 1 he's safely on neither wagon, day 2 he votes self (which btw I didn't think was allowed and I didn't even notice). Day 3 again voting for Slam. In the event that Slam flips scum (which I think he will) Kush can say he pushed slam, while at the same time he's stayed way out of the spotlight, voting wise).

That's all I got for now, will come back into the thread if I notice anything noteworthy


To paraphrase:
Voting for alakaslam d1 and d3 is scummy because
1. I can say I pushed scum
2. I stay out of the spotlight.

re 1: I can't say i push scum because my scum meta is to bus and that is well known.
re 2: Wouldn't voting for TT be staying out of the spotlight? I'd say voting for alakaslam rather than going with the popular wagon puts me more in the spotlight. Additionally, I argued hard d3 to not lynch Palmar or GB. That's not out of the spotlight.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 15:42 GMT
#4307
On January 08 2016 00:26 Palmar wrote:
ows is a green check, pay attention pls


Assuming there is a GF, there is a 25% chance that a red will give a green check. I agree we should go for other mafia first. But I think there's a good chance he's scum.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 16:30 GMT
#4309
It's opportunistic if you are on a scumteam together.

I think I'm changing my mind on Exo. Because I think you, nm, are town, and it woudn't make sense for Exo to town you like that. You are one of scum's biggest mislynch targets.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 17:18 GMT
#4318
On January 08 2016 02:07 Damdred wrote:
Exo v Shining looks town vs town as I read it. So yeah both of them going bro fuck you for misunderstanding and getting emo looks town.

I like that read. Both can go back to lock town.

Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also.

ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm.

Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam.

The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more.


Why is onegu clear?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 17:24 GMT
#4322
On January 08 2016 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 02:18 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 08 2016 02:07 Damdred wrote:
Exo v Shining looks town vs town as I read it. So yeah both of them going bro fuck you for misunderstanding and getting emo looks town.

I like that read. Both can go back to lock town.

Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also.

ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm.

Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam.

The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more.


Why is onegu clear?


I don't think scum onegu goes 1 v 1 at that point.


1V1 like a claim? There's no legit claim though.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 17:28 GMT
#4324
On January 08 2016 02:26 Damdred wrote:
What are you on about kush he did claim something his target flipped green highly likely to be shot or lynched the next day. If he's scum he trades himself 1 v 1 with tt.

So he lied about it. And you still think he's town. How was that a 1v1
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 17:41 GMT
#4330
On January 08 2016 02:34 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2016 02:28 nooniansoong wrote:
On January 08 2016 02:26 Damdred wrote:
What are you on about kush he did claim something his target flipped green highly likely to be shot or lynched the next day. If he's scum he trades himself 1 v 1 with tt.

So he lied about it. And you still think he's town. How was that a 1v1


what's the point of your inane questioning again?


I'm trying to get you to unclear onegu.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 07 2016 17:50 GMT
#4332
I like the csse but I think ritoky is town. When someone makes a list like that it's not set in stone.
Moosey wasn't a hard townread.
He wanted to shoot an unreadable.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 96
CranKy Ducklings25
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5123
Hyuk 535
Mini 275
actioN 249
Zeus 242
Horang2 206
BeSt 158
Sharp 122
Light 118
Dewaltoss 88
[ Show more ]
Snow 74
Mind 62
ToSsGirL 49
Backho 40
Rush 37
Last 35
sSak 30
scan(afreeca) 27
sorry 24
Free 23
JYJ 21
GoRush 19
Sacsri 19
910 19
Hm[arnc] 18
soO 18
Noble 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
IntoTheRainbow 10
Movie 9
Barracks 6
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
XaKoH 437
XcaliburYe9
League of Legends
JimRising 456
Counter-Strike
fl0m4244
olofmeister1631
zeus390
shoxiejesuss31
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Other Games
PiGStarcraft879
ceh9427
crisheroes251
Sick82
Lowko43
SortOf33
RuFF_SC227
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick651
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 587
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• musti20045 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4880
• Stunt2429
Upcoming Events
Maestros of the Game
4h 43m
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
OSC
12h 13m
Replay Cast
13h 43m
OSC
1d 2h
Maestros of the Game
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.