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ebwop: fixed quotes and shit.
Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Post 1:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:Tina is very happy about being right. When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town she instantly said "but who else could rels be scum with?"  Post 2:On December 16 2015 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote:
Otherwise here is my mind atm:
rayn
Damdred
grey
Arta/rsoul
marv
DP
About the reiterationOur concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.
For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. TownDamdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning TownGreYMisT Leaning ScumRels DarthPunk MafiaMarvellosity On December 14 2015 02:13 RtaniSoul wrote:
@Damdy yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with focusing on PoE, and we definitely could be wrong about DP. Lex and I have waffled on him back and forth as we read the thread. PoE makes sense if you have no scumreads, but we still just don't see much actual scumhunting in his filter and it still bugs us. We can get a sense of where most people would be voting if they weren't voting marv, but we don't have the same feeling about DP.
@DP, if you could address the above question...who is scum other than marv?...that would be nice. Now in the Post 1 the hydra says this: "When she heard marv started posting and I said this might make him town" That implies (as they claim, they have been reading the thread after marv started posting but before the deadline). In case they are lying about this they are 100% scum so let's not discuss that at all. Let's assume they are telling the truth. However, they say "Artanis thought marv could be town". At this point of the game, based on Post 2 and Post 3, which are the last posts before the deadline from them, they are literally scumreading DP over Rels. It makes sense that Artanis says that, since marv is voting for DP (their top scumread). However it doesn't make any sense that rsoultin says "but who else could rels be scum with?", for these reasons: 1) It's easily possible here, if marv is in fact town, that Rels is mafia with DP -- or at least it should be for them, since nothing in their posting implicates otherwise. 2) The posts (2) and (3) are their collective thoughts. If they thought Rels is somehow mafia over DP (which can't be seen from their posting) -- well the thread is there for expressing the thought, even without reasoning laid out for it. Again, if they thought that is the case -- there is no implication for it, so it sounds like bullshit. Therefore i find it impossible they are telling the truth here.
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On December 15 2015 05:36 Damdred wrote:
Rayn it is hard, maybe medic will be in group of three and make it easy lolol.
I'm still super paranoid about dp but I think he's town maybe.
One thing going against rels which is total eifom in my mind was Marv not jumping on him to work with you and preserve himself. But at the same time why would he if he had done enough to get you and I off of him you could scream rels home and he got to sit back. Besides that I like some of the effort/logic rels is using.
Idk I'm still torn on gm Marv I think gave a read on everyone but gm? Ignored him to a point and eod made me throw my hands up about him.
tina/art have no cred from the Marv flip but I like what they say when they are here but something bugs me to an extent about them. Mube they aren't as helpful as they should be or as involved
I am so fucking hard trying to think if this is the case or not...
Because if it is it changes a lot of things.
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On December 16 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:
Yep. I don't think this big post can have a town motivation, unless they feel super guilty and have the need to express themselves but don't want to admit it.
Well this is not exactly what i expected you to say but... nvm...
Could you go read the EOD 1 and tell what do you think marv doing what he did and other people's actions (excluding Greymist) means.
Also why have you not done that before? You have the "privilege" to know you are not mafia or "you are not mafia" here, so there must be another explanation for you to marv's actions other than the obvious "he is scum with Rels".
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Because honestly, the answer that is correct about 9 times out of 10 is that marv did not vote for you because you are scum with him... But i wanna hear what your opinion happens that one time.
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Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.
The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?
I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.
##vote DarthPunk
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Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.
But at the same time everyone else -- after PoE'ing comes to conclusion "this means this guy has to be mafia", when DP just leaves it at one step behind into "these guys are not mafia".
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I really don't know what else to say at the moment.
If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints. 
But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.
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On December 16 2015 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)
Does anyone else see why i am legit very very confused about this post? And i think it shows a scum mindset.
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DP don't be a prick..
You know i will never lynch you if you are town and try.
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You are fucking better than "i need more than 3 hours a day"....
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On December 16 2015 23:28 Rels wrote:rayn can you answer this: Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia. I don't understand why these 0 content 100% emotion posts made you changed your mind. I have a hard time seeing them coming from town, so I don't see how you reading them made you go "they are probably not scum".
Because the people who say they won't play or try and then still do are almost always town!
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On December 16 2015 23:32 Rels wrote:
Every post was just emotional BS with 0 content. What would they have done if they were scum ? Roll out and die ?
yes, most likely
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##unvote
##vote Rels
I am sorry if you are town but i just can't find any other answer right now.
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On December 16 2015 23:40 DarthPunk wrote:
My 3 hours are when nobody is in the thread. Like I would have to stay up all night to be able to play the kind of interactive style that I carry with.
I fucking know, and it is really fucking shitty.
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On December 16 2015 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Rels
I am sorry if you are town but i just can't find any other answer right now. I think this is the wrong answer and the hydra is. I also don't want to be lynched at Lylo over fucking Rso. So probs lynch me first if your not lynching hydra.
I will assure you you are not going to get lynched over them if you are town.
No way, even if i have to stay awake all N2 from now on, then i will do it.
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On December 16 2015 23:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn why would rels fight so hard against my lynch if he was scum? Dude is town. He cares too much to not be.
Also hydras should look Way Way Wayyy better than Rso+artanis do. Remember the hydra game and how town rolled scum in 2 days?
This hydra not doing enough with such an obviously pro town mechanic.
On December 16 2015 10:01 GreYMisT wrote:
I'm ok with either a Rels or Rtani lynch at this point. Rtani has kinda been off to me the entire game and Rels is looking more and more like overzealous town to me. Ill make my vote tomorrow
Both of you. Do you realize you are talking about a guy who outposts almost every single player in every single game as mafia?
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EPT
